Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Rydel

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[edit] Statement of the dispute

This is a summary written by users who dispute this user's conduct. Users signing other sections ("Response" or "Outside views") should not edit the "Statement of the dispute" section. In mid December I came across the article and gave it a massive overhaul, NPOV, improvement and conscised the facts together, only to be reverted within hours. Of course I offered Rydel to take discussion and he simply ignored me. The article remained a warzone since it was reverted over 30 times, locked twice. Yet in all occuraces Rydel's response was [1]. Recentely Rydel on about 10 pages inserted this [2] trying to descredit everything that is Russian and Belarusian yet against his POVed convictionsKuban Cossack 19:11, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Description

{Add summary here, but you must use the section below to certify or endorse it. Users who edit or endorse this summary should not edit the other summaries, other than to endorse them.} Belarusian language, a few month revert war, AND personal insults against me. --Kuban Cossack 19:11, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Evidence of disputed behavior

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  1. Belarusian language revert war since December 2005. first revert, most recent revert
  2. Orsha came across the article, NPOVed it, and was immediately reverted [3], then insulted on the talk page [4]. Dispute was settled eventually after the large wiki community came.
  3. Offensive edit summaries: [5], [6].
  4. Rydel has a habit of representing content disputes as "vandalism", especially on talk pages of other editors (example).
  5. Recruiting supporters for his political agenda on totally unrelated talk pages, see here or here.
  6. Revert warring over unsourced fringe theories he introduced to Wikipedia, such as that Belarusian language, one of East Slavic languages, is closer to Polish, a West Slavic language, than to Russian language (example).

[edit] Applicable policies

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  1. Wikipedia:No personal attacks
  2. Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point
  3. Wikipedia:Assume good faith
  4. Wikipedia:Consensus

[edit] Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

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  1. User talk: 1, 2 3, 4,
  2. Talk: Belarusian Language Preatty much all that comes after this edit. I'll just add that the article was locked twice as a result.

[edit] Users certifying the basis for this dispute

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  1. Kuban Cossack 19:11, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
  2. Ghirla -трёп- 19:15, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Response

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[edit] Outside view

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[edit] Outside view by Mir Harven

Having carefully read a few "hot" topics like the Belarusian language and Orsha pages, I have no doubts: the user Kuban Cossack is just an ordinary Russian chauvinist; as regards wiki, he's a vandal whose "activity" with regard to the Belarus-related pages can be best described as mainly destructive and trolling abuse geared in promotion of Russian chauvinist propaganda. User Rydel is hot tempered, but constructive & well-informed. This whole case has something kafkaesque about it: a troll in the role of a "prosecutor". Distasteful, to say the least. Mir Harven 20:03, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Outside view by abakharev

The RfC is very poorely written, it is often unclear even what article the plaintiffs are talking about. If possible, could you consider rewriting the Statement of the dispute and the Description sections. Anyway it is clear that User:Rydel sometimes violated WP:NPA policy. E.g. it is absolutely unexcusable to deliberately distort somebodies user-names so to allege participation of the user in Nazy organization. WP:VAND is also a reasonably clear policy, having a special section WP:VAND#What vandalism is not. We all spend a significant amount of our time protecting Wikipedia from Vandals, it is very bad taste to accuse people of been vandals without providing the diffs of the vandalous edits. Even if you feel very strongly about a particular edit you still could argue your case in a civil matter. BTW, this is true to all participants of the arguments, not only to Rydel.

The content dispute over the articles Belarusian language and Orsha are clearily beyond the scope of this RfC. It seems that on some points Kuban Cossack is most probably right (e.g. we should use the interwiki to the main articles, not to the redirects), on some points Rydel is most probably right, on some points somebody should just invent a compromise and some points are just not worth to argue about. Maybe we should have a separate RfC on the articles or find a mediator. Overall I think that the attitude "I was born there so my point of view is right and all other points of view are vandalism" is wrong. The whole idea behind Wiki is to find a Neutral wordings for all the relevant facts and opinions, suitable for people with different points of view. abakharev 10:46, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

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