Wikipedia:Requests for comment/NinjaNubian

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password to ninjanubian was lost, a new account was created. this is stated on the username Mykungfu 08:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Statement of the dispute

NinjaNubian is editing several articles on fraternities, most notably the featured article Alpha Phi Alpha, but also Kappa Alpha Psi and Sigma pi phi. On Alpha Phi Alpha, he insists that the phrase Alpha men were pioneers and stood at the forefront of the civil rights struggle (which is referenced by a website for a television documentary on APA) be replaced with Members of Alpha Phi Alpha took on key roles during the later stages of the civil rights movement, which is referenced only by a home-made website and the Wiki page on Vernon Johns. Also the lay-out of another reference is disputed. Before that, there was a content dispute if pledging should be expanded to pledging and hazing. This content dispute has already gone on for several weeks, and has been reverted by Ccson and Bearly541.

[edit] Description

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[edit] Evidence of disputed behavior

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  1. Three-revert rule: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Blocked for 12 hours: [7] First thing NinjaNubian does after block has expired: [8] And again: [9]
  2. Disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point: After being blocked for violation of WP:3RR whereas Ccson was only warned, NinjaNubian started reporting an alleged 3RR violation of Ccson that was two weeks old. [10] [11] Note that these two reports are about the same reverts by Ccson, but he filed the report twice. After these were removed by sysop William M. Connolly, he reinserted these: [12] William Connolly removed them again and warned NinjaNubian to not reinsert them again, but he did: [13] This was again removed by William Connolly, but NinjaNubian reinserted them again [14] and was blocked for another 8 hours [15].
  3. Use reliable sources:NinjaNubian's main sources cited for his/her proposed edits are a personal Tripod page authored by "C,"[16] and a college newspaper editorial article authored by "Charles Simms" [17] that misquotes "The Story of Kappa Alpha Psi" by William L. Crump[18] to present the view that NinjaNubian wishes to edited into the Alpha Phi Alpha entry. The pages by "C" appear to be written in the same diction and with many of the same common grammatical errors as edits and wiki entries penned by NinjaNubian. [19][20][21][22]
  4. Sock puppetry: The user has also used various IDs and AOL sockpuppet IDs in the past such as Bobbydoop, Mikeandike,User talk:152.163.100.130, User talk:64.131.205.160, User talk:68.175.26.54. The NinjaNubian ID was only created about 2 weeks, after the Alpha Phi Alpha article was semi-protected so that anonymous or newly registered users could not edit the article. After about 7 days when the ID was no longer new, he began his vandalism and revert war again. He now has another ID Mykungfu saying he lost his password to NinjaNubian. He has used this method before when his behavior becomes the attention on the wiki community and that's why the Bobbydoop ID is no longer in use.


[edit] Harrassment and Illegal Behaviour by accused user

Please list illegal/harassing behaviour made by accused user below.

---Bearly541 06:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


Evidence is provided take that up on the open cases. Mykungfu 19:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Note that the open cases at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets have been closed. Syrthiss 19:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Update: Still harrassing by posting unmerited sockpuppet cases on my user page and Mr. Darcy's.

-- Bearly541 19:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Applicable policies and guidelines

  1. Three-revert rule. On September 10 and 11, NinjaNubian reverted at least 5 times within 24 hours. NinjaNubian was blocked for 12 hours.
  2. Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point.
  3. Assume Good Faith.
  4. Civility.
  5. Use reliable sources.
  6. Sock puppetry.

[edit] Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

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[edit] Users certifying the basis for this dispute

{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}

  1. Errabee 16:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  2. Ccson 13:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  3. Bearly541 19:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other users who endorse this summary

  1. Robotam 14:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  2. Mr. Darcy talk 14:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC) User:Mykungfu appears to be abusing the anti-sock-puppetry mechanism to harass anyone who might be involved in this edit war. He accused me of being a sock puppet (see also [23]) even though I hadn't edited the page in question in a month, and even though I have over 3500 edits on the English Wikipedia. After I removed the notice, User:64.12.116.197 put it back on my user page [24].


[edit] Response

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[edit] main argument

alright, Ninja Nubian created Sigma Pi Phi article. There have been no complaints concerning the Sigma Pi Phi. In concerns to the kappa alpha psi article, the talk section has only been complained on by Bearly541. Please take a look.. kappa alpha psi article has had positive contributions. at no point do i insist that Alpha men were pioneers and stood at the forefront of the civil rights struggle PBS is not an authority. Ninjanubian insists that Members of Alpha Phi Alpha took on key roles during the later stages of the civil rights movement


Martin Luther King was an Alpha, Rev. Jesse Jackson is an Omega, and Ralph Alberthy was a Kappa. Malcolm X belonged to a fraternity -- he was a member of the Nation of Islam. Thurgood Marshall was an Alpha. I am not too sure about W.E.B. DuBois...I think he was an Alpha. If you count women, both Rosa Parks and Coretta Scott King were honorary AKAs. Dorothy Height was a past YMCA president, Delta Sigma Theta president, Barbara Jordan (Delta) was the first black Congressman from the South as well as Shirley Chisolm (Delta), the first black Congresswoman. Was Medgar Evers a part of an NPHC organization?

this only makes the current statement, Members of Alpha Phi Alpha took on key roles during the later stages of the civil rights movement , stronger. 7 others vs maybe 4 alphas

pioneer http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pioneer

a person who is among those who first enter or settle a region, thus opening it for occupation and development by others.

Vernon Johns is the father of the american civil rights movement, startig it in the 1920's. it ended in 63. thus alpha phi alpha weren't pioneers, but played key roles. The Vernon John's society is not a home made website http://www.vernonjohns.org/tcal001/vjtofc.html . It is a legit source. As is


http://www.oberlin.edu/external/EOG/BlackHistoryMonth/Vernon%20Johns/JohnsBioSketch.html

Mykungfu 08:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


alright, Ninja Nubian created Sigma Pi Phi article. There have been no complaints concerning the Sigma Pi Phi. In concerns to the kappa alpha psi article, the talk section has only been complained on by Bearly541. Please take a look.. kappa alpha psi article has had positive contributions. at no point do i insist that Alpha men were pioneers and stood at the forefront of the civil rights struggle PBS is not an authority. Ninjanubian insists that Members of Alpha Phi Alpha took on key roles during the later stages of the civil rights movement


Martin Luther King was an Alpha, Rev. Jesse Jackson is an Omega, and Ralph Alberthy was a Kappa. Malcolm X belonged to a fraternity -- he was a member of the Nation of Islam. Thurgood Marshall was an Alpha. I am not too sure about W.E.B. DuBois...I think he was an Alpha. If you count women, both Rosa Parks and Coretta Scott King were honorary AKAs. Dorothy Height was a past YMCA president, Delta Sigma Theta president, Barbara Jordan (Delta) was the first black Congressman from the South as well as Shirley Chisolm (Delta), the first black Congresswoman. Was Medgar Evers a part of an NPHC organization?

this only makes the current statement, Members of Alpha Phi Alpha took on key roles during the later stages of the civil rights movement , stronger. 7 others vs maybe 4 alphas

pioneer http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pioneer

a person who is among those who first enter or settle a region, thus opening it for occupation and development by others.

Vernon Johns is the father of the american civil rights movement, startig it in the 1920's. it ended in 63. thus alpha phi alpha weren't pioneers, but played key roles. The Vernon John's society is not a home made website http://www.vernonjohns.org/tcal001/vjtofc.html . It is a legit source. As is


http://www.oberlin.edu/external/EOG/BlackHistoryMonth/Vernon%20Johns/JohnsBioSketch.html


64.131.205.160 06:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


Ccson created this RFC for the sole purpose of covering up his behavior and to get rid of another point of view. He has been warned for his constant reverts.

[edit] User:Ccson reported by User:Errabee (Result: warning)

Three revert rule violation on

Alpha_Phi_Alpha (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs). Ccson (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log):


Three revert rule warning diff from before this report was filed here (necessary only for new users) :

  • not done, only after 4th diff warning was given: [25] However, user seems to know about WP:3RR: 30 August, 05:12

Comments: User:Bearly541 reverted the other two additions/reversions from User:NinjaNubian. Errabee 15:55, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Time report made: 15:55, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


which can be seen here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:NinjaNubian_reported_by_User:Errabee_.28Result:_12_hours.29


[edit] User:Ccson reported by User:NinjaNubian (Result:)

Three revert rule violation on

Alpha Phi Alpha (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs). Ccson (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log):


Time report made: 21:52, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


and here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR&action=edit&section=31

Mykungfu 08:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


Ninjanubian / mykungfu are the sole editors of 98% of the Sigma Pi Phi article. There has never been any disputes on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_pi_phi

Mykungfu 08:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)



[edit] Personal website

the alleged personal tripod page is actually www.anti-hazing.com Mykungfu 08:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Unreliable Sources?

Unreliable sources? what determines a reliable source? A college newspaper by a historically black college? It at no point states editorial as accused above how is that unreliable? what proof do you have that this is a misquote? what makes you assume that the although similiarities do exist one is based off of the other?


http://www.msuspokesman.com/media/storage/paper270/news/2006/02/10/CampusLife/Tribute.A.Brief.History.Of.Black.Collegiate.Fraternities.And.Sororities-1614202.shtml?norewrite200609140501&sourcedomain=www.msuspokesman.com


[edit] Sockpuppets?

who is Bobbydoop, Mikeandike ? don't attribute the behaviors of others on someone who has simply done highly referenced contributions. Mykungfu 08:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


user page mykungfu cleary states that the password is lost. this is also on the user page on ninjanubian if the case that sockpuppets are being used, why would there be a post on the userpages within 5 minutes of creation of the new account? Mykungfu 08:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

when was http://copland.udel.edu/stu-org/nuxinupes/grandchapterhistory.html ever used by ninjanubian ? Mykungfu 08:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bearly541

Bearly541 the co author has also been problematic in that he has posted things such as Ninja Nubian

  • Please do not accept edits by Ninja nubian. He/she is putting irrelavent facts without discussing them on the discussion page. Bearly541 14:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC) REVERT AT SIGHT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kappa_Alpha_Psi&oldid=75102668

reverted edits on kappa alpha psi http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kappa_Alpha_Psi&action=history

over here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kappa_Alpha_Psi&oldid=75102453

and here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kappa_Alpha_Psi&oldid=75056898

both on september 11th

over here as well

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kappa_Alpha_Psi&oldid=72767067

on the alpha phi alpha article twice on september 11th

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_Phi_Alpha&action=history

as can be seen here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_Phi_Alpha&oldid=75056228

and here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_Phi_Alpha&oldid=75053784

as well as here on another day

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_Phi_Alpha&oldid=72533713

Mykungfu 08:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First black fraternity and First intercolligiate black fraternity.

As previously pointed out on another usertalk page. There seems to be research that indicates that the first black fraternity is in fact alpha kappa nu is the first inter collegiate as well as overall black fraternity and sigma pi phi is the oldest surviving black fraternity.


sigma pi phi is an illustrious organization with a long and distinguised history. everything there is documented and non biased. various article links for references are there as well as the fraternity website as well as chapter website. if there is any problems with the page simply go to it and revise it, go to the talk section. Sigma pi phi was added to the alpha phi alpha article way before i came along as can be seen here. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_Phi_Alpha&oldid=69947100

Wiki does have a policy of no original research! Anything inserted has to be referenced an email by the historians would be considered to be original research.

Mykungfu 19:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
alpha kappa nu . although kappa alpha psi was named in honor of alpha kappa nu, they are 2 distinct organizations. kappa alpha psi has just as much authority as jimmy carter does in stating the type of organization alpha kappa nu is. Kappa Alpha Psi is an organization while MSU Statesmen is a Newspaper which is unbiased. There may be similiar wordings, but there is no foundation of your claim that the article is a quote from the history of kappa alpha psi. Mykungfu 19:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


An additional article has been researched that details more of the controversy.

http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=12053


Mykungfu 19:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

another reference provided.

http://groups.msn.com/NPHCArchivePhotoSociety/yourwebpage2.msnw

Mykungfu 20:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Errabee

has stated on this date

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ccson&oldid=75314228

that

Close to RfC

"This whole edit war on Alpha Phi Alpha is very nasty, with uncivil comments going both ways. I am very close to opening a RfC on all three of you. Errabee 16:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)"

he was speaking of Ccson, ninjanubian, and bearly541

this dispute is not one way but due to 3 users who have problems and different pov's

Mykungfu 09:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] robotam

Came around september 6. his second edit was sept 12th, his third was on the 13th it basically seems as if his whole existance was to sign this RFC. I believe him to be a sockpuppet

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robotam&limit=500&action=history Mykungfu 09:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


Robotam has made it a pesonal mission to destroy pages created by ninjanubian as can be documented by his actions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sigma_Pi_Phi

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alpha_Kappa_Nu


he opens up dispute pages for the sake of wasting everyone times..

he is also reverting pages twice in the past 90 minutes

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_Phi_Alpha&action=history

64.131.205.160 17:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Outside view

what's going on with this? StrangeApples 02:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


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