Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Paul Vogel/Evidence

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[edit] Request and discussion

The original request for arbitration and additions thereto are at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Paul Vogel.

[edit] Requests for comment

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Paul Vogel

[edit] Evidence

Postings to the wikipedia-en mailing list: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]. silsor 22:34, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC)

Request for userid and revert warning [9]

Relations with community and responses to attempts to moderate. see personal pages User_talk:24.45.99.191 and User_talk:65.125.10.66

Adding link to David Duke's material to Judaism site See also [10] and [11] One example of vandalism on Holocaust (April 19) [12]

Complaint against Vogel about personal harassment here AndyL 05:06, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Edited Snowspinner's user page twice. The effect of both edits was to severely misrepresent Snowspinner's statement, then add a lengthy portion of text. On the first occasion [13], the added text is apparently a version of Holocaust preferred by Vogel. On the second occasion [14], it seems to be the excerpt Vogel wanted included, plus Vogel's argument in favor of including it. This argument, including the "blood curse", can also be found on Talk:Holocaust. Vogel also posted the same material to the talk pages of Mirv, Fennec, and myself. I am still puzzled as to why I was included, because at this point I had never had any interaction with Vogel, or worked on any of the pages where he is active. --Michael Snow 03:58, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Linked this anti-Semitic page to a message to the mailing list, in "defense" of himself: http://www.natvan.com/pdf/04-24-04.pdf Slrubenstein 19:14, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)


On April 27, Vogel logged on as 66.2.156.205 and vandalised the Jew and Judaism pages. See [15] and User talk:66.2.156.205 AndyL 02:58, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Vogel as 66.2.156.105 on 01:56, 1 May 2004 (UTC) vandalized the proposed relief section on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Paul_Vogel with his typical "pov DOUBLE STANDARDS" comments. [16] Guanaco 02:06, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

He reverted my revert back to his vandalized version at 02:04, 1 May 2004 (UTC) [17]. Then he added the following comment below the vandalized section [18]:
(cur) (last) . . 01:58, 1 May 2004 . . Guanaco
(rv vandalism by PV himself) Guanaco bigot only wants DOUBLE-STANDARDS
and falsely calls my additions for a NPOV and a FAIR JUDGEMENT, "Vandalism"!
Finally at 02:14, 1 May 2004 (UTC) he somewhat tried to compromise with this edit. [19] Guanaco 02:19, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

Threat to "give you a lesson as to what REAL 'vandalism' actually is all about the next time" if I continue to "falsely revert for my 'vandalism'." See comment at User_talk:Guanaco#Vandalism?. Guanaco 02:29, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Articles in question

[edit] Background

For evidence of my statement that Vogel's behavior on Wikipedia is nothing new, peruse the following links:

—No-One Jones 18:50, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Defense

[edit] Evidence of compromise

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=National_Alliance&diff=0&oldid=3284956 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=National_Alliance&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Homophobic_hate_speech&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cosmotheism/Archive_4#compromise

[edit] Evidence of good edits being reverted, rather than compromised, edited, etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Transhumanism&diff=3057318&oldid=3029606 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Genocide&diff=3175941&oldid=3173792 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Judaism&diff=3176439&oldid=3175476 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=William_Pierce&diff=2525863&oldid=2525820 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Separatism&diff=2530132&oldid=2530098 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=White_supremacy&diff=2459378&oldid=2458938

[edit] Block log

Vogel has asserted being improperly blocked. Vogel's critics have asserted evasion of legitimately applied bans. Some investigation of the block log is appropriate:

  • 05:12, 28 Apr 2004 RickK blocked "68.223.75.251" with an expiry time of 24 hours (Paul Vogel vandalizing Jew again)
  • 01:14, 27 Apr 2004 Infrogmation blocked "66.2.156.205" with an expiry time of 48 hours (Vogel wackiness)
  • 01:38, 2004 Apr 24 Nohat unblocked "216.99.245.146" (Unblocked to allow Paul Vogel to make his case for arbitration)
  • 01:37, 2004 Apr 24 Nohat unblocked "24.45.99.191" (Unblocked to allow Paul Vogel to make his case for arbitration)
  • 03:30, 23 Apr 2004 Hadal blocked "24.45.99.191" with an expiry time of 96 hours (Personal attacks and trolling. To Vogel: If you try to evade this block once more, I will make it permanent.)
  • 03:29, 23 Apr 2004 Hadal unblocked "24.45.99.191" (re-blocking to extend duration)
  • 03:25, 23 Apr 2004 Hadal blocked "216.99.245.146" with an expiry time of 24 hours (ban evasion)
  • 21:24, 21 Apr 2004 Hadal blocked "24.45.99.191" with an expiry time of 48 hours (Personal attacks and trolling. To Vogel: I will double the length of this block if you try to evade it again.)
  • 19:19, Apr 20, 2004 Flockmeal blocked "24.45.99.191" with an expiry time of 48 hours (repeated troll, being banned a second time)
  • 02:54, 20 Apr 2004 Fennec blocked "66.2.156.0/24" with an expiry time of 24 hours (A user on this network has repeatedly conducted personal attacks, evading bans, and casting blood curses on Wikipedia members. Yes, you read that right: casting blood curses. That's what he said.)
  • 02:46, 20 Apr 2004 Hadal blocked "66.2.156.63" with an expiry time of 24 hours (ban evasion)
  • 01:56, 20 Apr 2004 Fennec blocked "66.2.156.160" with an expiry time of 24 hours (Evading blocks, casting blood curses)
  • 01:26, 20 Apr 2004 Fennec blocked "66.2.156.23" with an expiry time of 24 hours (Evading blocks, casting blood curses)
  • 01:09, Apr 20, 2004 Ugen64 blocked "66.2.156.106" with an expiry time of 24 hours (repeated trolling on talk:holocaust, "blood cursed" me for warning him/her)
  • 20:01, 19 Apr 2004 Hadal blocked "24.45.99.191" with an expiry time of 24 hours (personal attacks, excessive reverting of multiple articles, and general trolling)
  • 20:23, 16 Apr 2004 172 blocked "66.2.156.69" with an expiry time of 240000 hours (Blatant anti-Semitic vandalism)
  • 20:51, Apr 14, 2004 Flockmeal blocked "24.45.99.191" with an expiry time of 72 hours (repeated vandal)
  • 18:42, 13 Apr 2004 Danny blocked "24.45.99.191" with an expiry time of 24 hours (constant reverting )
  • 16:03, 13 Apr 2004 Fennec unblocked "24.45.99.191" (Prior block reason was in part due to a misreading of an improperly-liked diff.)
  • 15:50, 13 Apr 2004 Fennec blocked "24.45.99.191" with an expiry time of 24 hours (Personal attacks, vandalism of Longnriddy, vandalism at Judaism, recreation of deleted articles, and flagrantly ignoring policy in the process)
  • 00:48, 6 Apr 2004 Hephaestos blocked "66.2.156.106" with an expiry time of 24 hours (previously blocked vandal)
  • 00:37, 6 Apr 2004 Hephaestos blocked "66.2.156.44" with an expiry time of 24 hours (disruptive behavior)
  • 00:25, 6 Apr 2004 Fennec blocked "216.99.245.137" with an expiry time of 24 hours (Repeated vandalism on Universal Pantheist Society. This fellow has been warned before.)
  • 00:25, 6 Apr 2004 Hephaestos blocked "66.2.156.97" with an expiry time of 24 hours (vandalism)
  • 00:19, 6 Apr 2004 Evercat blocked "216.99.245.137" with an expiry time of 48 hours (trolling)
  • 18:46, 5 Apr 2004 Tannin blocked "24.45.99.191" with an expiry time of 24 hours (racist revert mania)
  • 22:34, Mar 31, 2004 Silsor blocked "65.125.10.66" with an expiry time of 24 hours (quickpoll vote is to block for 24 hours: alternate IP of user 24.45.99.191)
  • 22:33, Mar 31, 2004 Silsor blocked "24.45.99.191" with an expiry time of 24 hours (quickpoll vote is to block for 24 hours)
  • 02:14, Mar 9, 2004 Bcorr blocked "66.2.156.48" with an expiry time of 24 hours (Paul Vogel IP -- still crossposting the link to favorite paragraph)
  • 20:41, Mar 8, 2004 Bcorr blocked "24.45.99.191" with an expiry time of 48 hours (Blocked Paul Vogel IP becuse of more crossposting)
  • 14:32, Mar 6, 2004 Bcorr blocked "216.99.245.154" with an expiry time of 2 hours (and yet another Paul Vogel IP)
  • 14:22, Mar 6, 2004 Bcorr blocked "216.99.245.170" with an expiry time of 2 hours (yet another Paul Vogel IP)
  • 14:21, Mar 6, 2004 Bcorr unblocked "216.99.245.170" (unblock to shorten time from 24 to 2 hours)
  • 14:20, Mar 6, 2004 Bcorr blocked "216.99.245.139" with an expiry time of 2 hours (yet another Paul Vogel IP)
  • 14:10, Mar 6, 2004 Bcorr blocked "66.2.156.27" with an expiry time of 2 hours (Another Paul Vogel IP)
  • 13:52, 6 Mar 2004 Danny blocked "216.99.245.170" with an expiry time of 24 hours (constant reverting and engaging in edit wars)
  • 13:30, Mar 6, 2004 Bcorr blocked "216.99.245.153" with an expiry time of 2 hours (repeated reversion of articles after repeated warnings -- again.)
  • 18:39, 2 Mar 2004 Infrogmation blocked "24.45.99.191" with an expiry time of 48 hours (repeated problem POV and dubious edits, frequently reverted by almost everyone else,)
  • 23:20, Feb 29, 2004 Bcorr blocked "216.99.245.184" with an expiry time of 1 hour (for repeated reversions of articles on white separatism)
  • 21:56, 25 Feb 2004 Maveric149 blocked "24.45.99.191" with an expiry time of 48 hours (vandalism and trolling - again ; 48 hour block this time)
  • 17:06, 24 Feb 2004 Ahoerstemeier blocked "65.125.10.66" with an expiry time of 10 minutes (Please understand what "Don't edit user pages, use talk pages" means)
  • 02:57, 24 Feb 2004 Maveric149 blocked "216.99.245.171" with an expiry time of 24 hours (reapeated posting of copyright infringing material)
  • 15:36, 23 Feb 2004 Maveric149 blocked "24.45.99.191" with an expiry time of 24 hours (Trolling: abusive language, revert wars, extreme POV)
  • 22:24, 19 Feb 2004 Tannin blocked "65.125.10.66" (Long list of edits, all racist)
  • 02:29, 17 Feb 2004 RickK blocked "66.2.156.75" (repeated Nazi vandalism)
  • 19:07, 13 Feb 2004 Snoyes blocked "65.125.10.66" (vandalism after being reverted for numerous edits which removed references to National Alliance from neo-nazi articles)
  • 22:30, 10 Feb 2004 Dante Alighieri blocked "65.125.10.66" (return of the monism vandal)
  • 20:10, 6 Feb 2004 Jwrosenzweig blocked "65.125.10.66" (24 hour ban for repeatedly posting URL in articles after being instructed not to (see talk page))
  • 01:21, 27 Jan 2004 Salsa Shark blocked "66.2.156.84" (blanking text from user talk pages; warned against vandalism before)
  • 03:47, 20 Jan 2004 Snoyes unblocked "216.99.245.139" (sorry, should have sent a warning first)
  • 03:46, 20 Jan 2004 Snoyes blocked "216.99.245.139" (repeat vandalism of mirv's user page)
  • 04:29, Jan 13, 2004 Dori blocked "66.2.156.88" (repeated vandalism of Pantheism after having been warned)
  • 23:10, 17 Dec 2003 Pakaran blocked "66.2.156.49" (Repeated blanking of pages, and misattributing comments, after being warned 3 times by 2 users)

The relevant quickpoll ban was on 31st Mar. The quickpoll ban on 21st Apr appears to have been aborted as the relevant IPs were already blocked.Martin 00:11, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

Someone, apparently Vogel, created "Government suppression of literature", which I have moved to "Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Paul Vogel/Government suppression of literature". Maximus Rex 01:00, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Vogel's threat

Vogel has openly stated he will defy any ruling by the arbitration committee and will retaliate against users for vandalism

"Do not falsely revert for my "vandalism" or I will be quite happy to give you a lesson as to what REAL "vandalism" actually is all about the next time. Besides, no "Kangaroo Court" is going to be able to stop me, for long, so they really should think twice before unfairly and unjustly and falsely and slanderously ruling against me.-PV "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Guanaco#Vandalism? --GrazingshipIV

Would that be the court of Captain Kangaroo? Rickyrab 19:52, 4 May 2004 (UTC) :)
There's an article on it actually. See Kangaroo court. Guanaco 21:15, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
I knew that. :) I just like jokin' around sometimes. Rickyrab 22:22, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

Vogel went on to say here: Martin

Vogel's threat against pov injustice
Vogel has openly stated he will defy any "unfair" ruling by the [[20]] arbitration committee and will retaliate against lying and hypocritical pov abusers for pov and falsely slandering him by falsely calling all of his posts or edits "vandalism":
--Paul Vogel
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