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[edit] Evidence presented by User:Tony Sidaway

This section is now ready for use.

The story of how interactions between Maoririder and the community deteriorated is a detailed one. I'll focus very closely on the first couple of days, and also on the circumstances surrounding the first two blocks.

I think that after August 3rd the rot had set in. Maoririder had been blocked twice at that point. There was a general perception that he was a disruptive editor.

I am providing edit-by-edit detail for the relevant periods so that it can be clearly seen that his edits were not disruptive at all, and that he was responsive and learned as he went along, often very quickly indeed. The articles he was creating around the time of the second block, while still stubs, were much more sophisticated than the earlier ones, and adopted our house style. It simply isn't true that Maoririder didn't take good advice and didn't make an effort to improve. The effort is visible by the excellent results.

He is also very polite, even when he is being browbeaten. Only after an RfC and an Arbitration nomination did he show anger, lashing out in an unacceptable manner (this is in the evidence provided by other editors).

[edit] First tranche: Maoririder's first day

My main observations here are that:

  • Maoririder seemed to pick up the advice he received from User:Mairi. At first sight, it seems that he quickly read and absorbed the suggestions about use of stub templates. His last two edits use the correct template syntax and refer to valid stub templates.
  • Maoririder is clearly acting in good faith and editing well within the bounds of competency expected of a newcomer. He uses talk pages appropriately, he signs his comments, he makes an effort to take advice promptly, and overall contributes good work.
  • Lucky 6.9's comment on the short stubs being "tantamount to vandalism" is unclear. The names of the bugs are unusual; could Lucky have failed to check that the bugs in question exist, and assumed that this was some kind of prank? Otherwise there is no reason to suppose that these stubs, although extremely short, are anything other than good faith attempts to produce an article. The stub templates are used, as intended, to permit the stubs to be located for expansion and cleanup. The misunderstanding about how to name stubs is a typical newbie error.

[edit] User talk page events

[edit] Edits of articles

[edit] Deleted stubs

  • 20:09, 27 July 2005 Sango123 deleted "Big-eyed bug" (content was: '{{db|subsubstub}}It is a type of bug.{{bug-stub}}')
  • 19:51, 27 July 2005 Jinian deleted "Talk:Mission Accomplished" (content was: '== Disagree ==People should vote on this. "Mission Accomplished" was said by President George W. Bush when everyone thought the war in Iraq was over....' (and the only contributor was 'Maoririder'))
  • 19:52, 27 July 2005 Jinian deleted "Mission Accomplished" (content was: '{{d}}President George W. Bush said "Mission Accomplished" when the war in Iraq was supposed to be over.Template:Presidential-saying stub')

[edit] Second tranche: Maoririder's second day

  • Personal aside: how many people you know have heard of a Briquet Griffon Vendéen? Can it be truthfully claimed that an article which names the animal and describes it as a dog (rather than a squirrel, a maneuver in ice dancing, or a chess opening) is at all useless? It has since been expanded and merged with an article about another Griffon Vandeen breed.
  • Maoririder here continues to employ reasonable though not always perfect, choice of stub templates, shows good style choices, and creates many new stub articles, all of which appear valuable to Wikipedia, albeit usually somewhat short and not observing all style conventions. He usually makes appropriate use of the "minor" edit flag. Good progress.
  • Maoririder makes reasonable attempts at communication using his user talk page, and at one point, responding to a communication incorrectly placed on his user page.
  • Maoririder's temperament appears to be well suited to the Wikipedia environment. There are no breaches of wikiquette. He is polite and appreciative.

[edit] User talk page events

  • 16:24, 28 July 2005 Maoririder Explains that the bugs do exist.
    • The bloody-nosed beetle and the big-eyed bug are real that I know of. The bloody-nosed beetle there is information on but the bug-eyed bug only has a picture that I know of. Sorry for problems. --Maoririder 16:24, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
  • 16:24, 28 July 2005 Maoririder Requests explanation of jargon
    • What is a nanostub? --Maoririder 16:24, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
  • 16:54, 28 July 2005 OpenToppedBus Explains jargon
    • We welcome your contributions, but I think the suggestion is that some of the articles you have created are simply too small to be of any use. For example, your article on the Briquet Griffon Vendéen, which previously just said "It is a dog". Have a look at how I have expanded that - most Wikipedians would probably agree that you need more than just a single sentence (and certainly more than just four words) for an article to be worth creating at all. OpenToppedBus - My Talk 16:54, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • 16:55, 28 July 2005 Maoririder gives thanks for explanation
    • Thank you I will look into finding more information and writing more thank you OpenToppedBus. --Maoririder 16:55, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
  • (placed on User:Maoririder) 17:21, 28 July 2005 CBDroege
    • It's great that you want to creat articles for us, and the occasional stub is tollerated, but I have seen you create many stubs today. Please realise that stubs are not a good thing, and it is not really appropriate to create stubs. 'Stub' is a tag that we add to articles by new user who don't know not to create small articles. If you want to add information to wikipedia, please research, and write a nicely filled out article. Thanks. -CBDroege
  • (reply on User:Maoririder) 17:22, 28 July 2005 Maoririder
    • Don't worry I'am trying that. Thank you. --Maoririder 17:22, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Edits of articles

[edit] Deleted stubs

  • 17:40, 28 July 2005 Deb deleted "Wind music" (content was: 'It is a type of music.{{music-stub}}' (and the only contributor was 'Maoririder'))

[edit] Third tranche: Blocks applied to Maoririder

This tranche contains a list of all blocks applied to Maoririder's account, and to all suspected Maoririder sock puppets/second and third accounts.

There is a detailed analysis of the first two blocks. As well as analyzing the circumstances of the blocks, this section also can be used as a reference to show how Maoririder's editing style had matured greatly over the course of the week he had spent on Wikipedia. He had by this time more or less fully mastered our house style, and his stubs tended to contain more useful information. The "it is a type of dog"-style stubs are now rare.

[edit] Main account blocks

  1. 19:26, 2 August 2005 Ike9898 (talk • contribs) blocked "User:Maoririder" with an expiry time of 8 hours (Very large volume of very low quality contributions - many benevolent users have tried to help Mao learn Wikipedia conventions with little apparent effect; user welcome back after a short break; hopefully he will become a valuable contributor in near futu)
  2. 19:25, 3 August 2005 Ike9898 blocked "User:Maoririder" with an expiry time of 16 hours (2nd short block of a disruptive user; twice as long as last time; hopefully during this break he will re-read some of the helpful advice that has been posted on his user:talk page)
  3. 06:18, 21 August 2005 Lucky 6.9 (talk • contribs) blocked "User:Maoririder" with an expiry time of 48 hours (Strongly suspected of creating sockpuppet named "Inquisitor911.")
  4. 19:04, 21 August 2005 Lucky 6.9 unblocked User:Maoririder (Unblocked possible sockpuppet; figured it's only fair to unblock this one too)
  5. 20:06, 7 October 2005 Lucky 6.9 blocked "User:Maoririder" with an expiry time of 2 months (Vicious personal attack, incredibly disruptive sockpuppets, continued poor behavior even during the course of ArbCom proceedings.)
  6. 20:08, 7 October 2005 Lucky 6.9 unblocked User:Maoririder (Increasing block to three months)
  7. 20:09, 7 October 2005 Lucky 6.9 blocked "User:Maoririder" with an expiry time of 3 months (Continued rants, personal attacks.)
  8. 20:47, 7 October 2005 Lucky 6.9 unblocked User:Maoririder (An ArbCom hearing is currently underway for this user.)

[edit] The first block: 2 Aug, 2005

[edit] The second block: 3 Aug, 2005

[edit] Suspected sock puppet account blocks

  • 19:01, 21 August 2005 Lucky 6.9 unblocked User:Inquisitor911 (User insists he is not a sockpuppet; giving the benefit of the doubt.)
  • 06:15, 21 August 2005 Lucky 6.9 blocked "User:Inquisitor911" with an expiry time of 48 hours (Suspected sockpuppet of Maoririder, currently on an as-yet-unanswered RfC)
  • 19:59, 7 October 2005 Lucky 6.9 blocked "User:Sandove89" with an expiry time of indefinite (Sockpuppet of User:Maoririder which has left a HUGE mess in its wake.)

[edit] Fourth tranche: Validity of stubs

I want to address this issue head-on. Is Maorider producing work deleterious to Wikipedia? Is his output disruptive?

Wikipedia:Stub says a stub "is an article which is clearly too short, but not so short as to be useless. In general, it must be long enough to at least define the article's title."

I have my reservations about the sentence that follows: "This generally means 3 to 10 short sentences." This is patently false. A stub that said "Ford Cortina was the English name for a car produced by Ford from about 1962-1982" isn't anywhere near three sentences but is still reasonably useful. It would be nice to add that its German equivalent was the Taunus, it was a mid-range saloon with an estate car variant, and sold in absolutely stupid quantities. But defining the subject is the hard part.

So here are the latest stubs created 13 October, 2005 by Bluejays2006 (talk • contribs)

The above are the initial drafts. In some cases, the author went back and fixed errors, in other cases some other editor did so.

At least two of them, two of the school articles, I can say are quite high quality compared to many school stubs that get listed for deletion. These articles are routinely expanded and, these days, seldom get deleted.

The Castle of Mesen article contains some unencyclopedic detail (Maoririder apparently saw the website on the net that shows an unfortunate pigeon that had been tortured and killed by humans). Nevertheless the stub does identity the location of the castle (Lede, Belgium).

Mail Order Wife actually came out in March and, showing in only five theaters, took about $60,000. But it's on imdb and boxofficemojo and even on rottentomatoes.com (where it just squeaked a "fresh" 61% on the tomatometer, an aggregation of all reviews).

The ghost town articles are intriguing. I was curious to see if I could expand Bradburn. It was easy enough to find a reference and expand it adequately. Possibly these stubs would be better off in a table in a larger article, as often there's nothing much known about their history.

But I don't think any of the above could be described as disruptive or damaging in any way. Welcome additions, only hope he'll get back to fixing the style problems.

[edit] Response to Comment Above

Can be found here. Karmafist 21:48, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

  • I removed the section containing the comment, and apologised and struck out offensive comments on the main project page for this RfAr. Again I apologise for my incivility. --Tony SidawayTalk 11:16, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence presented by User:Scimitar

I would like to note that evidence here presented is only about articles that have survived in some form, and doesn't include the many that were deleted.

[edit] October 13

  • [5] a stub typical in terms of style, subject and content of early Maoririder- in my opinion showing a refusal to adjust/progress

And from suspected sockpuppet Bluejays2006:

[edit] October 7

  • [19], [20] makes personal attacks on Lucky 6.9 and then
  • [21] in my opinion tries to conceal it, acting as if there never was a personal attack

Possibly because of this:

  • [23] personal attack?

Also, from possible sockpuppet Sandove89:

[edit] October 6

More micro-stubs from sockpuppet Sandove89

[edit] October 5

  • Spare Change (food) (another nano-stub with bad formatting on his first day back since the arbitration started)

[edit] August 19

  • [49] - one of his better article starts
  • [50] - nano-stub
  • [51] - nanostub
  • [52] - a possibly non-notable teacher nano-stub

[edit] August 16

  • [53] - nano-stub
  • [54] - vfd record on one of Maoririder's articles
  • [55] - nano-stub
  • [56] - nano-stub
  • [57] - misuse of vfd
  • [58] - non-notable nano-stub changed to a redirect
  • [59] - nano-stub changed to a redirect

[edit] August 9

  • [60] - redirected redundant nano-stub
  • [61] - nano-stub
  • [62] - redirected incorrectly spelled nano-stub
  • [63] - nano-stub, now a redirect
  • [64] - nano-stub
  • [65] - nano-stub

[edit] Evidence presented by User:Satori

[edit] 15 Nov

  • [66] Shortest women created. Content: == Shortest woman in the world == * * * == Other short women == * Please no scandless pictures of women. {{expand}}

[edit] 19 Aug

[edit] 16 Aug

  • [68] - Pill sucking article created by Maoririder, and tagged by him for {{attention}} and {{delete}}, which was speedy deleted.
  • [69] - The Thomas Room substub created by Maoririder, and tagged by him for {{expand}} and {{wikify}}, which was speedy deleted.

[edit] Riverofdreams (possible sockpuppet)

  1. Evidence that Riverofdreams is Maoririder:
    • [70] - creates stub article with similar style to some of Maoririder's.
    • [71] - edits article created by Maoririder.
    • [72] - Maoririder actively editing from 16:18-16:38 (UTC) on 19 Aug.
    • [73] - 3 minutes later, at 16:41 UTC, Riverofdreams takes over.
  2. Unusual edits to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous by Riverofdreams:
    • [74] - adds a new topic, with just an {{expand}} tag.
    • [75] - asks for the "sickest picture on earth"
    • [76] - places a {{disputed}} tag in response to odd question by anonymous editor 130.111.96.164. (Note: this IP address resolves to Portland, Maine, which is an area of interest of Maoririder, so he may well be replying to his own edits).

[edit] Cursa (possible sockpuppet)

  1. Evidence that Cursa is Maoririder:
    • [77] - Maoririder says so.
  2. Unusual edits to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous by Riverofdreams:
    • [78] - asks several questions, including "as many meanings as I can get" of "mad apple".
    • [79] - demands "more specific" information after Cvaneg identifies the "man in the picture" asked about here [80] (which seems to indicate that user:Ineedhelp is another sockpuppet, as well).
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