Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ackoz/Evidence

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Anyone, whether directly involved or not, may add evidence to this page. Please make a header for your evidence and sign your comments with your name.

When placing evidence here, please be considerate of the arbitrators and be concise. Long, rambling, or stream-of-conciousness rants are not helpful.

As such, it is extremely important that you use the prescribed format. Submitted evidence should include a link to the actual page diff; links to the page itself are not sufficient. For example, to cite the edit by Mennonot to the article Anomalous phenomenon adding a link to Hundredth Monkey use this form: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anomalous_phenomenon&diff=5587219&oldid=5584644] [1].

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[edit] Evidence presented by Ackoz

  • I admit to trolling, I havent been constructively editing since I got first blocked, on July 1st.
  • I hereby ask the ArbCom to unblock me to allow me editing in article/article talk/user talk/wikiprojects and their talk as long as the edits concern content, not the functioning of wikipedia.
  • Articles I created previously (listing this to document that I could be a valuable editor):
  • I started editing on April 12, that means I have been editing for two and half months. Then I was blocked for incivil discussion in AfD, by Mark. What actually embittered me was not Mark though, who actually reacted very nicely when I told him that I was insulted by the block: [2], but arrogant sarcastic rants from this admin: [3], [4]. Given that I really spent quite a lof of my free time on wikipedia, and I'd always tried to make the articles well researched and sourced, being called "a peevish person who tries to be clever" from an admin is not an enjoyable experience. After that, I decided to vanish, I returned however to check the vote on Caron, and re-registered with what was intended to be a one-purpose username Azmoc so that my vote would be counted. I have used the username to propose something on the village pump, and got eventually blocked for this interaction got blocked for vulgarism, POINT violation, in an outburst that started here: [5] (please mind the yawning from Zoe above my post, that came first, and again, I think even if you invoke your right to vanish and you have a new username, being yawned at is an uncalled-for arrogance). After that, the trolling actually started.
    • Comment: Centrx is right on this one, I didn't get blocked exactly for this, but this is how it started - this conversation led to me awarding the special anti-award to Zoe (Centrx diff 11) this being reverted by someone, then being told by JzG that he doesn't care "flying fuck" about my proposal which made me even more angry, me complaining at Theresa Knott's talk (Centrx diff 9), being told that colorful language is not incivil and resulted in me violating WP:POINT by posting vulgarisms all around and being blocked. (Centrx diffs 6,7). I was too lazy to collect evidence against myself when I said I admit to trolling, so I should thank Centrx for doing it for me.
  • Centrx accusation: false dynamic IP tagging: Check the WHOIS, the IP is from a pool for an ADSL service of Czech Telecom / Telefonica O2. We don't pay the extra for a static IP, we are not running any server that could possibly use it here, and anybody is invited to do a portscan and check. I actually thought the IP is dynamic, now it looks it stays even if the router is reset. I didn't know that and using this as a supporting reason for a block is ridiculous.
  • If I am unblocked, I don't think that I will edit as much as I did before, nor will I borrow books from a library to use them as a source in wikipedia like I did before, one reason being the disillusionment, second that I won't have that much of free time soon. But I certainly will check on wikipedia and if there is any gap or inaccuracy in articles that fall into areas of my interest/expertise, I would like to be able to add pieces of information or correct inaccuracies. As I said previously, I would happily accept probation. Ackoz 13:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence presented by Centrx

My original statement provides evidence and I think makes clear what the situation is. A few comments based on statements since:

  • The point about false dynamic IP notice is to explain why MONGO would consider 1 month to be the "maximum block time" for the IP, and why on further inspection I would extend the block beyond that time. Secondarily, it is otherwise curious that he placed the dynamic IP notice, designed to discourage long blocks, right after his first IP block, while at the same time claiming ownership enough over it to blank and then archive the IP Talk page.
  • He was clearly not blocked for the comment to Zoe linked above. It would seem instead that he was blocked for the many, other comments/edits that immediately preceded the block, such as [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11]. This seems to be similar to his other claim he made before, that he was blocked for posting "I concur" and "I second that" to a discussion page, which was clearly not true.
  • I keep thinking that having an ArbCom case about this is excessive, such that I would be amenable to a probationary unblocking, but then I look at the contribution history and the almost revenging statement that he won't get sources at the library for Wikipedia ("us"?) because he is somehow disillusioned that he was blocked for clearly errant behavior. Still, if there are not policy questions that ought to be decided by this case, I think the only question would be whether the effort spent deciding this case would be greater than the burden of someone monitoring his probation. —Centrx→talk • 20:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Sorry to start threaded discussion here if it is inappropriate, please move my post somewhere else. DynIP and archiving: I already explained why I thought the IP was dynamic. I thought it didn't change for such a long time because the router was not reset for a long time. The reason I archived the talk page is that the router is shared among more people/offices/flats in the building, these people know me, and I realised that somebody might see the conversations I had here on WP, and I wouldn't like that. Moreover, the first block on the IP was very short and not for trolling (for soliciting voters or re-opening a vote I think), and Centrxs theory that the DynIP tag was there to shorten blocks is weird - I only got blocked twice before, both blocks were for a short time and I didn't expect to get blocked again. The other claim I made before was actually true. Check here [12], [13] which I posted below someone (blu aardvars supposedly) who disagreed with/criticised MONGO. My previous edits were at least two days before that and there were no conflicts [14] (sidenote: I was reading wikipedia review and there was a speculation that Cyde might be one of the admins associated with wikitruth, that's why I asked. Centrx then commented on this that it is illegitimate to search for pictures of admins on the internet, I was not searching for any pictures, moreover I would like to ask him to restrain from commenting my off-wiki activities). MONGO then blocked me on the same day with reason: (P being used for nothing but mischief...maximum block time) [15], so I assume my edits "Concur" and "I second that" made him block me. Probation I don't think that there would be any problem or excess effort with monitoring my possible probation, lots of admins know me and will surely be there to block me fast should I start trolling again. Ackoz 21:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


Yes and Centrx - the fact that you get pissed off and start misbehaving because of something over the internet, which IS stupid enough already, doesn't make you a liar. Ackoz 07:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence presented by {your user name}

[edit] First assertion

Place argument and diffs which support your assertion; for example, your first assertion might be "So-and-so engages in edit warring", which should be the title of this section. Here you would show specific edits to specific articles which show So-and-so engaging in edit warring.

[edit] Second assertion

Place argument and diffs which support the second assertion; for example, your second assertion might be "So-and-so makes personal attacks", which should be the title of this section. Here you would show specific edits where So-and-so made personal attacks.

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