Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ђорђе Д. Божовић

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The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.

[edit] Djordje D. Bozovic

Final (4/14/1) ended 13:24 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Ђорђе Д. Божовић (talk • contribs) – Working on Serbian Wikipedia primarily, I've made about 2000 edits there, and contributed to it more than 200 articles. I've been at English Wikipedia for about five months. Now I'm planing to translate all these articles from Serbian to English. Look at edit count on en wiki and edit count on sr wiki. I'm also active on English Wikibooks (see edit count). In particular, my contributions to Zlatibor-related articles have been invaluable. At Serbian Wikipedia, and hoping soon here, there is also a portal Zlatibor. I am an admin at Serbian Wikipedia, Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia and English Wikibooks, too. Djordje D. Bozovic 02:08, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I do accept. Djordje D. Bozovic 02:08, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Support

1. Support. Don't see a reason to oppose this good editor. --Irpen 02:30, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
2. Support He is an admin and bureaucrat on Serbian wikipedia, so he should be trusted with the tools here. --Rogerd 23:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
3. Support. User:Bonaparte, 11:55, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
4. Need more admins. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-11-28 02:21
5. Support reasons for oppose are somewhat frivolous IMO. Jobe6 Image:Peru flag large.png 23:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose: Becuase I normally vote against self-noms, your user name looks like it'd be fairly hard to pronounce for anyone outside of the former Eastern Bloc(no offense, but it might cause problems for users looking to you for assistance, you might want to use roman characters in addition to cyrillic in your signature),you only have 169 edits on .en[1], and as of this edit, it says you have 12 people supporting you when I see nobody. That might have been a typo, but i'm afraid I have to be safe rather than sorry here. karmafist 02:21, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
   
   My name, Ђорђе or Djordje, is variant of English name George. Many users here call me George. :)
2. Oppose. Too few edits, lack of edit summaries. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:33, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
3. Oppose, in spite of the fact that I am a big fan of cross-wiki pollination. Firstly, your edit count here at en: is low enough that I find myself with no real idea of you as an editor (being unable to read Serbian). Secondly, your nomination attempt took [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] tries, representing all but one of your Wikipedia-space edits. I'm afraid that I cannot say that I have confidence in your understanding of policy. I hope that you will continue your translation efforts, and reapply at some point in the future. Jkelly 02:41, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
4. Oppose per Jkelly. Quentin Pierce 03:51, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
5. Oppose, if you aren't an admin on Sr, I'd suggest you try there. NSLE _{(讨论+extra)} 06:27, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

   Lack of edit summaries is a problem. I'd vote yes if you had more English edits too, as it is difficult to see your work, mostly in a foreign language to me. NSLE _{(讨论+extra)} 09:45, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

6. Oppose Per jkelly as well --негіднийлють ^{(Reply|Spam Me!*)} 07:34, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
7. Oppose You have not answered if you are an admin on Serbian Wikipedia. Your talk page directs to your Serbian Wikipedia talk page. Your signature should be in English here. You need to be with English Wikipedia longer.--Pomegranite 08:58, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
   
   I am an Admin on Serbian WIkipedia. My user name is in Cyrillic, but my signature is in Roman alphabet. And I'm with English Wikipedia since July.--Djordje D. Bozovic 13:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
8. Oppose for above reasons. --Merovingian 10:10, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
9. Oppose per above.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 11:53, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
10. Oppose. I'm sure Djordje (I can't type his name in native letters) is a great guy and a good admin at the Serbian Wikipedia, but that doesn't mean he has to be an admin here too. His talk page shows very little interaction and his contributions show a very narrow area of interest. I don't think he needs AdministrativePower® just to add information and correct mistakes in Serbia-related articles. — JIP | Talk 15:23, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
11. Oppose: agree with JIP. Jonathunder 16:14, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
12. Oppose: The person is simply unknown to en: community to make a fair judgement. Nothing personal, sorry, simply too early. mikka (t) 17:16, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
13. Oppose as per jkelly, JIP and Kelly Martin's comments. Sarah Ewart 00:05, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
14. Oppose per JIP. --NormanEinstein 15:08, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Neutral

1. I'm not concerned with your username. I am concerned with your lack of edit summaries. Please start using them consistently and I'd be glad to support you next time around. Tedernst | Talk 22:42, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Comments

• Are you an admin on Serbian wikipedia? --Rogerd 03:26, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I am.--Djordje D. Bozovic 13:48, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

• I would suggest that you change your username to one that is in the Latin script. Just login a request at Wikipedia:Changing username and read the instructions there. =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

At all Wikipedias that I'm logged in (it includes Croatian, Serbo-Croatian, Bosnian, Russian, German, Serbian, Macedonian, and English) and other projects (Meta, English Wikibooks, Serbian Wiktionary), my User name is Ђорђе Д. Божовић. As you can see, my signature, however, here is in Latin script. In addition, on my User page there is a note that my name is in English George.--Djordje D. Bozovic 13:48, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

The problem is that it's really difficult to type in Cyrillic for those not used to it. If I'm not mistaken, all the above language WPs except German use cyrillic, so you can pass off there with this username. I can reattribute your edits to a Roman-based lettering. You can setup this cyrillic username as a redirect to the Roman equivalent. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:17, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm... Or I can setup a Roman username as a redirect to the Cyrillic equivalent? Croatian and Bosnian are Latin. Officially, Bosnian is Cyrillic too, but in practice there's no Cyrillic script nor in Bosnian language nor in Bosnian Wikipedia (politics matter). Serbo-Croatian is also Cyrillic and Latin, but Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia is 15% Cyrillic and 85% Latin. Russian and Macedonian are Cyrillic, but there are no letters ђ and ћ in Russian, nor in Macedonian. Why typing my user name? Is someone wants to reach my user page, he can just follow the links from my signature, right? --Djordje D. Bozovic 00:53, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the info on the Balkan languages. Since there were a few oppose votes based on your username, I thought I might list you some options if you were interested. But's changing your username is your option, I wouldn't really like push you into doing so. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:40, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

• I recently had an incident with an admin from srwiki who demanded that we block an editor on enwiki solely because he was editing enwiki contrary to the wishes of the admins of srwiki. I repeatedly instructed this editor to follow our dispute resolution procedures, but he refused to do so, instead stating that he would appeal directly to Angela for intervention. (Angela declined to do so.) He seemed to believe that admins have some power to control, or even dictate, content. I am concerned that this attitude may be endemic at srwiki, and because of this am leery of applications from srwiki admins for adminship here where the editor in question appears to be applying on the basis of his or her administrative experience in srwiki and not on the basis of a separate editorial career in enwiki. I don't believe that srwiki's editorial culture is compatible with ours, and we should be very cautious of admitting an srwiki admin to our administrative corps here without clear evidence that the candidate understands enwiki procedures and policies. I'm not going to oppose this editor's candidacy because it is clearly failing, but I want the enwiki community to be aware of this situation should a comparable candidacy arise again. Kelly Martin (talk) 16:29, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh, please! Stupid users can be found on any wiki, not only Serbian! I see that you've really got a reason to worry about, but sr admins are not as stupid as this one (I would like to say some worse adjective than stupid, but I just don't speak English that good enough). No matter if I become an admin here or not, I just want to make you sure that sr admins do understand all procedures and policies, and that they don't believe that they have certain powers. Adminship should not be a big deal, as Jimbo Wales said, and everybody on sr is aware of that. Of course, we use our sysop rights correctly. --Djordje D. Bozovic 22:24, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Just browsing here, but suggesting that all Serbian Wiki Admins are suspect on the basis of one encounter with one fellow claiming to be such is, I think, a textbook of over-generalizing. Over-generalizing on the basis of nationality is often especially insensitive to those involved. Xoloz 08:30, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate
A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:

1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.

A. I shall certainly block occassional vandals. Some articles may also need protection. Since I live in Serbia, I am well introduced with Serb-related themes, and you know that such articles are often attacked by the vandals. I can see if there isn't something right with those articles, and if vandals keep editing wrongly, I may protect pages and block them.

2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?

A. Well, I am very pleased of my Zlatibor-related articles at Serbian Wikipedia, especially [10], [11] and [12]. I shall translate all those articles to English now.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A. On English Wikipedia there weren't any edit wars I was part of. On Serbian Wikipedia there was one small edit war about the correct usage of a certain word. On Meta, however, there were some disagreements with some other users, but that's just a question of political nature.

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