Talk:Republics of the Soviet Union

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It's very informative. I'm proud to be in the first 100 to visit the site.

I found a source saying a republic i ahve never heard of. I think it must have joined another republic later on as i ahve only seen one source for thsi 16th repuiblic: Karelo-Finnish S.S.R.

http://www.russiannewsnetwork.com/soviet1.html <- source

I found several references to this, but named Karelo-Finnish A.S.S.R. I remember A standig for autonomous. As far as I learned during schooltime these ASSR's were parts of SSR's having some special status for preserving ethnic minorities. (I'm not sure though. Obviously, this is more than 13 years ago.) -- JeLuF

hmm well i'll jsut ignore thsi one for now. Teh ones mentioned are the ones taht i always see mentioned. - fonzy

It was incorporated as ASSR into Russian SFSR in 1956. See Karelo-Finnish SSR for more detail. Andris 10:31, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)

Removed Kalmykia from the list. As you can read in the article on Kalmykia it was an ASSR, part of Russia, but not an SSR. See for reference also: http://www.fotw.net/flags/su-_list.html -- JeLuF

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[edit] Slovakia

Wasnt there briefly a Slovak and/or Czechoslovak Soviet Socialist Repbulic?

Yes there was (called CSSR), but it had nothing to do with USSR and so it doesn't belong to this article.—Kami888
CSSR stands for Czechoslovak Socialist Republic; there never was a "Soviet" Czechoslovakia. Kpalion 16:50, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mongolia

wasn't Mongolia a part of de U.S.S.R???—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.212.121.204 (talk • contribs) .

No, it was not.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 18:06, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History, See Also

I came here in hopes of reading about the Bolshevik Revolution, Lenin's new economy, Trotsky, Stalin acsent to power, the Gulag, the farming collectives etc... I was deeply disappointed This article is far from complete. I realise that there allready is an article about the bolshevic revolution and one on russian history. There should atleast be a see also reference to these two. I will be working on this article in the next few weeks to make it complete.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kaanatakan (talk • contribs) .

You are more than welcome to make whatever additions you feel will improve this article.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 00:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abkhazia

Wasn't Abkhazia a seperate Soviet republic until 1931? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.157.44.34 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Not really. There was an ostensibly independent Abkhazian SSR from 31 March 1921 until 16 December 1921, which was not part of the USSR. In December 1921 it was incorporated into Georgia under a "special union-treaty", which was ratified in February 1922. Officially, this established Abkhazia and Georgia as equal partners in a Soviet Republic, and lasted until the creation of the TSFSR and USSR later that year. In 1931, Abkhazia was demoted to an autonomous republic within the Georgian SSR, but wasn't itself a Union Republic before. -David Schaich Talk/Contrib 22:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tuva

Tuvinian People's Republic was not a part od the USSR until 1944, yet the picture provided doesn't reveal that fact

[edit] Just a naming trivia

Sorry, just a personal trivia (maybe you should add it on the article, if you think): people born in Soviet Republics had their names written (I mean, on the passports or ID cards) in Russian cyrillic or native languages (like Azerbaijani, Ukrainian...)? or maybe both? or maybe...it depends from republic to republic?

[edit] Why...

...was the evolution map changed to show the Uzbek SSR and Turkmen SSR outside of the Soviet Union's borders? Moscow never considered them to be. See here for a map of Soviet Central Asia from 1922. -- Clevelander 02:27, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, in fact they were outside the Soviet Union until 1925. The map you've shown isn't correct.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5246/Soviet.html
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/su-kh.html
Stalin himself said: "Bukhara and Khorezm, not being Socialist, but only People's Soviet Republics, may, perhaps, remain outside of the union until their natural development converts them into Socialist Republics"
Look it up, they really were not part of USSR. I won't reverse changes now, I hope you do it yourself.
Besides that, your map is wrong cause it has Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia as separate republics in 1929, while they were part of TSFSR until 1936.
I looked it up. Of course they didn't consider themselves part of the USSR but they were internationally as well as by Moscow. My map comes from a credible source too.
I will fix the detail on the TSFSR though. -- Clevelander 16:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
If we're going to talk about international recognition, then some countries didn't recognize the Soviet Union until well into 1930s, so what? Bukhara and Khorzem were not part of USSR, as a matter of fact, and Moscow recognized their independence until 1925. I also added another source just for confirmation. And a quote: "Bolshevik Russia hesitated to acknowledge the formation of a new state, but eventually signed an agreement with it on 13 September 1920. In this agreement, Russia acknowledged the independence of the Khorezm Peoples Republic. Military, political, and economic agreements, which were concluded at that time, promised aid to the Khorezm Republic from Bolshevik Russia."
Well, now I'm convinced. The borders shall be changed. -- Clevelander 16:39, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks :) also another source just in case you are still having doubts - http://www.progetto-uzbekistan.it/english/storia.HTM

[edit] Abkhazia

You can not use biased sources of well known separatist agitators like Chirikba (1992 he called for “digging the graves for all Georgians”) and Lakoba (who is participating in Separatist elections this February). Also the web site about “flags” is not reliable source or has any credentials to support such bold and highly disputed statement. When using sources for such statements which involve controversy and confrontation as well as historical accuracy, its wise and more productive to use neutral sources from either scholars or primary sources in historic documents. Please remove the sources by the radicals of separatist ideology and consult more neutral sources which will somehow give us assurance that the claim is reasonable. Thanks a lot. Ldingley 16:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I added a link to this EU sponsored webpage:
http://www.rrc.ge/admn/url12subpirx.php?idstruc=57&idcat=2&lng_3=en
But I am interested in seeing sources that dispute the existence of the Abkhazian SSR (no irony, I really am). sephia karta 15:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
You may especially find useful these documents by the Georgian SSR resp. on the recognition of the independence of the Abkhazian SSR in 1921 and on the inclusion of the Abkhazian SSR as the Abkhazian ASSR in 1931:
http://www.rrc.ge/admn/url12subpirx.php?idstruc=48&idcat=1&lng_3=en
http://www.rrc.ge/admn/url12subpirx.php?idstruc=52&idcat=1&lng_3=en

sephia karta 16:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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