Talk:Renai game
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192.169.41.33, I see you've done some reworking of this article. I appreciate the effort, but if you think an article is using the wrong name, it's better to move it to the correct name and start a new article for the "real" meaning of the term, instead of deleting a bunch of text and replacing much of the rest with material about a different subject.
There seems to be a lot of confusion about the correct nomenclature for these games, and Wikipedia would be a great place to set everything straight. If you don't feel like personally adding articles for all the game types, it would be nice to at least set out the definitions here on the talk page so I know where to put stuff. As it is, the article obviously needs some cleanup but I'm not going to try to write stuff if it's about the wrong thing. DopefishJustin (・∀・) 03:10, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- No need, I see Shibboleth has cleaned things up nicely. DopefishJustin (・∀・) 02:04, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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- Sure, glad to help.
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- By the way, I should comment about the list of famous games. I think it's important to provide some sort of list of important ren'ai games, to give examples. But I don't think we should let it grow out of control, with everybody adding their pet ren'ai game to the list, so I've given the restriction of only listing games with anime TV series or OVAs based on them. It's not that I'm a huge anime fan, or that I have something against games with no anime series based on them --- it just happens to be a convenient filter that lets through only the most famous and popular games. I hope people will try to stick to it, just to avoid cluttering the list too much with obscure titles. --Shibboleth 03:31, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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- Having a full List of renai games in the same style as List of H games would seem to be the way to get around this, although I'm not sure if such lists are deprecated now that this categorization stuff exists. DopefishJustin (・∀・) 04:46, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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I strongly feel that the word 'anime' should be eliminated from this article in reference to the average ren'ai game characters. Only a small percentage of ren'ai games are based off anime titles, and as hardly any ren'ai games are animated, they are therefore not anime in themselves. While some English speakers use the word "anime" as slang to refer to an art style found in some Japanese animation, ren'ai games are generally not in English to be widely exposed to that community that uses such slang (not to mention using slang in articles doesn't seem to be Wikipedia's overall intent).
- I can see your point. But the first couple of sentences really want some indication that the characters involved are illustrated in the Japanese manga/anime art style, as opposed to being photographs, text-only, or any number of other possibilities. To a Western audience it's hard to concisely describe that: "anime-style characters" is one way that I think strikes a reasonable balance between accuracy, conciseness and comprehensibility. Feel free to suggest alternatives. --AlexChurchill 10:59, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
- Perhaps we could try "digitally drawn characters"? Maybe it should also say that it is true of most but not all, as while they are rare, there are some that feature live actors (McKenzie & Co) and I do believe there are some text adventures that this genre could be applied to.
Reverted the edits by Ashibaka, because renai games are not "dating sims".
"Dating sims" COULD refer to SOME renai simulation games, I guess, but certainly not to the vast majority of renai games. Omgwtflolz 16:03, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
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- Continuing this discussion on the Talk:Anime game page, as directed above... ---AlexChurchill 13:57, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] "Renai games" versus "dating sims"
Ashibaka's argument is basically "it's not English and since 'dating sim' is an excellent equivalent we should be using that". It's not. The games aren't about dating . The games are not simulation games. That's it, really. Omgwtflolz 08:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- The big chunk I moved from anime game to here got moved to dating sim. Having read the massive discussion in Talk:Anime game, I'd like the chunk to be moved back here. Because, as Omgwtflolz said, a renai game is not a dating sim. (The reverse is true, actually) _dk 02:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- In common usage "dating sim" in English means what "ren'ai game" means in Japanese, and "ren'ai game" is a neologism that doesn't even deserve an English article. Ashibaka (tock) 20:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- Actually that is incorrect. The Pickup Game on Newsgrounds is considered a dating sim engish but wouldn't be considered a "ren'ai game". Also, The Pickup Game is actually about teaching guys how to pick up girls. It makes mention of the "3 second-rule" which is a term that orginates from the Mystery Method. The Mystery Method is a part of the Seduction Community. Counter Arts 14:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- In common usage "dating sim" in English means what "ren'ai game" means in Japanese, and "ren'ai game" is a neologism that doesn't even deserve an English article. Ashibaka (tock) 20:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
