User talk:RemembertheAFL

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Hello and welcome Angelo! - Hephaestos 03:11, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Here, on the other hand, we might have a problem; if the articles are copied direct from the AFL Hall of Fame website, they're under copyright, and we won't be able to use them without a substantial rewrite. - Hephaestos 03:40, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Sorry, disregard my last; I didn't realize that they were on the same server. *grin* I can see now how Angela got confused. - Hephaestos 03:52, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hi Angelo. Sincere apologies for the confusion. I have sent you an e-mail with further explanations. Sorry your initial entry into Wikipedia was somewhat rocky! Hope you enjoy enjoy contributing here. Angela 13:04, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)


The Texans/Chiefs franchise was the flagship team of the American Football League, with the most playoff appearances as an AFL team, six (tied with Oakland), and the most Super Bowl appearances, playing in


Did Oakland play 6 in the AFL playoffs between 1960-69 ? I only come up with 3 times 67 68 and 69 Smith03 15:01, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)

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[edit] External links

Hi, are you User talk:24.48.96.44? Please don't add so many external links to that same site as it looks like Wikipedia is endorsing it. If the information is useful, then add the external link to the main AFL article, and link to the Wikipedia AFL article from the other ones. Also, sorry to say so if it is your site, but that design is pretty bad. Dori | Talk 05:11, Feb 5, 2004 (UTC)

Fine work on the AFL, Angelo. -戴&#30505sv 05:17, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I still think it's a bad idea to have the links on all the pages, but some may disagree. However, it's inappropriate for the owner to add the links himself even if done in good faith. Dori | Talk 16:06, Jun 3, 2004 (UTC)

Hello! Were you planning on expanding the article on the draft? As it stands now, it's totally empty except for the AFL logo which makes it a speedy deletion candidate. Ah, if only we could return to the Raiders of old...I still miss the Tooz. - Lucky 6.9 06:40, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Spamming

I'm happy that your site is not commercial, but you have still been spamming Wikipedia. Wikipedia isn't a vehicle for self-promotion. If you want to put your player articles on the site, please consider donating the actual content to Wikipedia instead of adding hundreds of links here. I think your site deserves to be linked from the Wikipedia article on American Football League, and nothing more. No links from AFL teams, no links from AFL players. Wikipedia doesn't prohibit commercial sites (that's why NFL links are fine), but they do prohibit self-promotion. Rhobite 22:52, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

Official sites are fine, spamming related sites with your own site is not as it brings commercial benefit to you. If we were to allow that, all articles would be nothing but links from people wanting to plaster their links all over the place. Dori | Talk 00:08, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

I think this is a question of "What is self-promotion?" The American Football League no longer exists (that's why it can't have an "un-official site" - if there's no official site, what's an un-official site?). It has few advocates in todays' sports media. Its impact on professional football in the US is historical fact. I gain absolutely nothing from the AFL website, it is not a commercial site: visitors to the site gain information not available elsewhere. It seems that others who could gain from promotion of the NFL (thru increased sales or use of their NFL-oriented services) may put links to the NFL site on any football-oriented page. For example, someone from "TV Network XYZ" could place links to NFL.com so that more people would be more involved with the NFL, watch more of the NFL on XYZ-TV, and buy more of the products sold on XYZ-TV. Is that self-promotion? If I placed links to "The Fabulous Ange Coniglio", that would be self-promotion.

I'm sorry it took me so long to get involved in these discussions, I'm sort of a novice at carrying on conversations in this mediium. I really enjoy Wikipedia, and the opportunity to use it. ... RemembertheAFL 8:43 PM EST 29 Nov 2004

As I've said before, one link on the main AFL page is OK, putting it on every related page just means higher rankings for your site, whether you profit or not is besides the point. The guidelines are to not promote your own site. Oh, and where you reply depends on your preference. I (like any other editor) am more likely to see a message on my talk page. Dori | Talk 02:05, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for replying to me. If you're interested in donating your content to Wikipedia, you have a few options. You can simply add your content (instead of links to your site) to AFL-related articles as you see fit, just make sure it fits Wikipedia's style guidelines. Another option that some content owners have chosen is to license their work under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL), which is the license Wikipedia uses, and allow other users to integrate it with Wikipedia. You would want to post a GFDL notice on each page of your web site. Any content licensed under the GFDL may be copied freely and integrated into Wikipedia - you still hold your copyright, but you can't take back content you've released. You should read the GFDL before you make any decision. Rhobite 02:15, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)


[edit] Unverified images

Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image:

  • Image:DenverBroncosAFLLogo.jpg

I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GNU Free Documentation License, {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know at my talk page where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk, automation script)]] 05:29, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

P.S. You can help tag other images at User:Yann/Untagged_Images. Thanks again.


Dude I know you love the AFL but must all your "contributions" to the NFL page be about how the AFL was better than the NFL?

[edit] Unverified image

Thanks for uploading the image

  • Image:SpaldingJ5V.jpg

I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the image and I'll tag it for you. Thanks, Kbh3rd 19:31, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

And:

  • Image:SpauldingJ5V.jpg

[edit] AFL champions

You're completely right. I left a full response on the NFL wikiproject talk page. --Sophitus 05:43, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] License tagging for Image:AmericanFootballLeague.png

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[edit] Articles

Please do not create pages without sufficient article text that establishes the significance of the subject. Pages containing only the article name will be speedily deleted.--Jiang 16:11, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Link spamming

Once again, we kindly request that you stop inserting links to your personal AFL website in Wikipedia articles. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 13:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

  • The guidelines on WP:EL are pretty clear as to what types of links are and are not acceptable. A listing of every player who ever played in the AFL is hardly relevant to individual player articles, and adds no information that is pertinent to the article. Profootballreference.com, although it may contain solicitations for funds, is the most comprehensive statistical site for ALL of pro football, which is why it gets included. It is also an objective site, while yours most definitely is not. You are more then welcome to continue adding AFL-centric content to Wikipedia, such as player articles and historical background. You obviously have a wealth of information and passion about the AFL, and it is great that you want to share that. But continually adding links to your website has already been deemed as link spamming by multiple editors, and if you persist you may be blocked. I would hate to see that happen, so if you wish to debate the issue further, I encourage you to bring it up on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League. This is one of the main areas where policy regarding NFL (and by default, AFL) articles is discussed and formulated. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 15:11, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Magazinephoto

Template:Magazinephoto has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. cholmes75 (chit chat) 14:44, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Texans

can you please edit Dallas Texans as Kansas City Chiefs|Dallas Texans Dallas Texans so it does not go to the disamb page Smith03 17:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I saw on another talk page you asked how to sign names here you go : Wikipedia guidelines and sign your talk page and user talk page posts. To do so simply add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your comments and your user name or IP address and the date will be automatically added. For further info see: Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines.

Also you asked why people consider you adding your own website as spam is because it you adding your own website. People do not assume that people who add say the pro football HoF or football database work/own thoses websites Smith03 17:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Well the Chiefs page talks about the team when they were in Dallas Right now if you just put Dallas Texans it directs readers to a page that tells them the the AFL Texans are now the Chiefs. By puting Dallas Texans the reader see the words Dallas Texans but are directed to the Chiefs page which will tell them they moved from dallas to kc otherwie the reader goes to the disam page are directed to the chiefs so it prevents a person from having to hit two pages Smith03 22:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

O.K. What about my point about who posts what? If someone from Pro Football Reference added a link to PFR on a player's page, would you refuse to allow it because it was put there by someone from PFR? How do you know that half the external links on Wikipedia weren't put there by someone associated with the site linked to? How would you know that RemembertheAFL.com was my site if I hadn't been honest and said so? Seems like there's an NFL bias in Wikipedia. NFL and "pro football" are NOT synonymous, at least they have not always been so. Pro Football means ALL of pro football, past and present, NFL means the current league.

Reporting, for example (as it was before I corrected it), that Lance Alworth was in seven Pro Bowls is simply not true. Lance Alworth was in NO Pro Bowls, he was in seven AFL All-Star Games. Today, the NFL recognizes AFL All-Star Games as "the equivalent of Pro Bowls", but "equivalent of" doesn't mean "identical to".

The "Infobox" should be for "Pro football player", not "NFL player", and should include AFL headings as well as NFL headings. Unless you want the information to be ONLY for NFL players, in which case your encyclopedia would not be so encyclopedic, would it, since it would exclude records of great players when they played in leagues other than the NFL? RemembertheAFL 02:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Was this address to me ? if some user name "ProFootballReference" started putting alot of links to that site I think people whould question him like they do you. As for the infobox bring that up with whoever created that propose a name change for it Use Alworth as an example.

Can I be honest I think you have provided a lot of great information about the old AFL here and on your website what bothers me is that alot of time it is writen with an agenda of basically "AFL was great and the NFL was bad". which I think hurts your overall work.

Regards Smith03 02:44, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I agree with Smith03's last comment, and would like to add once again that it's great to have an AFL expert like yourself willing to share information on Wikipedia. But with that being said, it is important that all contributions to Wikipedia follow the guidelines that have already been established. If you disagree with certain policies, that's fine. But the proper way to deal with those difference is not to ignore them. Rather, please feel free to use one of the many channels available to discuss your criticism (if you are unsure of what those channels are, please ask). Comments such as "It seems to me that the guardians of Wikipedia are somewhat hypocritical" will serve no purpose but to make other editors here reticent to work with you. In addition to being an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is a community. I think you will find that most people here go out of their way to be helpful if you take care to not accuse them of being hypocrites. Lastly, one of the key tenents of Wikipedia is assume good faith. If some of your contributions are removed or altered, don't assume that we're out to silence you or to disparage the AFL. In my case, nothing could be further from the truth. Being a Raiders fan, I have a great appreciation for the AFL. But I still do my best to make sure that items added to AFL-related articles meet the requirements that have been set forth for this project. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 19:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Apology

No need to apologize - I try not to take things personally anyway. Listen, when you do come back to Wikipedia, drop me a line. I'd be happy to assist you in your efforts to increase the amount of AFL info on Wikipedia. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 17:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

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