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[edit] Ancestor Worship
Does anyone know why the ancestor tablets are made of wood? Thanks in advance!
Zement 14:18, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
- No specific reason. And I don't think there's any reason. Some made it from granite stone (and carve on it). I guess it's preference and the cost of material that matter. Heilme 22:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Relinking
Regarding the links in the third paragraph: I realize that some of those links already appeared in the second paragraph, and I realize that in general we should avoid over-linking (not making the same link multiple times throughout a document), but because the third paragraph lays out a list of the religions, those religions need to have links. The second paragraph, by contrast, is only citing religions as examples of people practicing multiple religions simultaneously. If others insist of having only one set of links in the introductory paragraphs, then it's better to have the links in the third rather than the second paragraph. Frankly, I think it's just simpler to have the links be in both paragraphs. An occasional double set of links is not overlinking. --Lowellian 22:32, Nov 18, 2003 (UTC)
- The linking policy is not a strict one. I agree with your points. It is certainly OK to have multiple linking in one article, fot the sake of clarity and convinience. olivier 08:10, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Taoist religion and philosophy
Concerning the term Taoist Religion: I am using this to refer to the religious movement that, according to Henri Maspero apud Holmes Welch (Taoism: The Parting of the Way [Boston, 1965]), can be traced back to the Yellow Turban Rebellion at the end of the Han Dynasty. (Welch calls it, undoubtedly more accurately than me, The Taoist Church.) Since my own research into Taoism has fairly well ignored the popular of Taoism, what I know may simply be wrong. -- llywrch 19:51, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- I think that's really besides the point. "Taoist Religion" should have been changed in any case to "Taoism" in order to make it consistent with the other headings in the document (e.g. Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, etc.). --Lowellian 00:29, Nov 22, 2003 (UTC)
No, it's not beside the point. There is a POV that Taoism the religion is a separate entity from Taoism the philosophy; & as I mentioned above, Holmes Welch is one person who makes the distinction. And the concept of NPOV requires us to acknowledge this view point. However, the fact whether experts on Chinese culture still make the distinction is a separate argument, & requires input from someone current with the secondary literature to resolve. -- llywrch 00:35, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Official atheism
Rewrote PRC section. I can't think of any current official statement that the PRC is an athestic state.
changed the statement since I don't think that the PRC was ever officially atheistic.
- There is now a citation to the CIA World Factbook, which notes that the PRC is officially atheist. —Lowellian (talk) 02:46, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
Is it really official? I see more communist officials visiting temples (praying for promotions i guess) than any other groups in my province. Plus, last year, a bunch of provincial heads gathered to mark the official anniversity of Huang Di in a religious ceremoney.
[edit] Emperor and religion
Move here
- The emperor was regarded as the Son of Heaven, and he typically led the imperial court in performing elaborate annual rituals.
This is highly misleading as it implies that the Emperor was considered a deity which was never the case. There was never a religion around the person of the emperor. It is true that the emperor was conceived of in terms of mediated the forces of heaven and earth, but that's something rather different.
--- User:Roadrunner
[edit] PRC religion statistics
The statistics for religious worshippers were added by User:Mshe ([1]) a long time ago, but there was no source listed for them. Can someone either
- find a source for those statistics OR
- dig up some other statistics on religion in the PRC for which a source can actually be found and for which we can list a citation?
--Lowellian 01:37, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
- The figures for the mainland are recently changed ([2]). Is there any source for this? Thanks. — Instantnood 17:39, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)
- they looked funny to me, so I researched and found reliable data. SchmuckyTheCat 00:58, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Recent Survey Results
A poll of 4,500 people by Shanghai university professors in early 2007 found 31.4% of people above the age of 16 considered themselves as religious. This suggests more than 300 million people nationwide could be religious. About 200 million believers "are Buddhists, Taoists or worshippers of legendary figures". Christianity accounts for 12% of all who consider themselves religious , or around 40 million people nationwide. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Multiplestars (talk • contribs) 23:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Vandalism
Can somebody please fix the vandalism at the top of the article and rewrite what got deleted?
EDIT: thank you to whoever fixed the vandalism
[edit] Statistics On Religion
The statistics on religion is very wrong. Whoever said that Muslims could number up to 10% of China's population is wrong. Christians number 80 - 100 million which was not mentioned. Muslims only make make up 2 - 3% of the population. If Muslims made 10% of the population, we would have heard about religious crackdowns against Muslims in the news.
This page also did not mention the fact that 30,000 Chinese people convert to Christianity everday, and I have a link, which I have to find, amongst my 3000 favourite pages.
- Should prove interesting. I look forward to reading it. The Muslim "estimate" is indeed overstated, but then again, it seems like the numbers of Muslims are regularly overestimated (sometimes by as much as 500% in the US, 140% in the Israeli disputed territories, etc. [3][4]) From what I can find, Muslims make up 19M of China's 1.3B ppl, which, according to my math, is 1.46%. TomerTALK 03:00, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
- Christians are less than 0.1% in China - mostly found in coastal provinces. Not 80-100 million as you claim! I think you are confusing Christian names like Jackie Chan, James Soong to be signs of converts to Christianity. Those people are not Christians.
- With all due respect, just because you haven't heard of the differences, doesn't mean it's not there. I have done extensive research on the subject; you can check out Christianity by country, which provides its own reliable sources (e.g., the state department). You are not going to get any reliable modern sources that say 0.1%. If you do, please get back to me here. -Patstuart 13:21, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Opinion
This page has helped me a lot! thank you for the information!
Do-Woo Kim
[edit] PRC and atheism
Despite a widespread opinion to such effect (see [2]), the PRC is not officially "atheist" by law or government policy.It's absurd! The PRC officially support atheism and atheist propaganda. --Vess 16:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] More Vandalism
Has anyone noticed that somebody wrote "homework is retarded" at the bottom of the page?
- I have removed it. You can also remove vandalism, unless your IP is blocked, which it obviously isn't. Be bold! ... discospinster talk 00:20, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Christianity in Tibet
Does anybody know if Christianity "exists" in Tibet (particularly Lhasa)?
[edit] Christianity and Opium in China
This article claims that Christians were opposed to the spread of opium in China, but I am certain that I have read before that the spread of Christianity and Opium in China went hand in hand - that is, Christian missionaries and opium were intentionally introduced into China by the same groups of people, with the intention of using both in combination to break down the resistance of China to western trade, influence, and colonialism. Someone should correct this article to reflect this.
