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[edit] Official or state religion

Argentina has separation between state and church, catholicism is not official, im correcting it.Maberk

--68.85.133.204 17:29, 22 May 2005 (UTC)I love EVERYONE ... expsept you!

I think the official and state religion in Argentina IS Catholicism, even though there's freedom of creed (libertad de culto). You can check these pages from Ministery of Economy and Buenos Aires Gov .- Mariano 07:30, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
This was the subject of some discussion in the Spanish wiki. Juridical opinion on the matter is far from clear, but there is no specific statement avowing official status. The exact wording in the Constitution ("el estado soporta", my emphasis) is usually taken to mean economic support (which is effectively granted only to the Catholic Church). 62.57.7.25 20:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Saints and different Virgin Mary names

It would be interesting to make a reference to the cult of Saints, which is predominent in Argentina, as well as to the various "virgin Maries", to whom you are supposed to pray to get a specific request. There is a Saint and a Mary for every type of request, and people tend to have private mini-altars in their homes. Sprotch 04:02, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

An important aclaration: We are not talking here about "Virgins". They are different advociations of the same Holy Virgin Maria, the mather of Jesus, daughter of Saint Ana. The different names came from different aspect of her live, or different forms of representation of Myriam, Maria for the spanish spoken. The Virgin Maria is also considered saint, and more, she was the example of all saints after him. This can be readed in their biographies. I will change virgins per Virgin Mary names, I suppose it's clear why.

Off the top of my head I can say San Cayetano (saint patron of labor, massive pilgrimages to ask or thank for work on his day); Virgen del Rosario de San Nicolás (main shrine in San Nicolás de los Arroyos), who supposedly talks to a woman and asked for a basilica to be built for her; Virgen de Luján (Luján, Buenos Aires). I don't know much about this. I know no-one who has a domestic mini-altar (though stamps in special places are common). --Pablo D. Flores 10:37, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
You could add more pagan figures such as Difunta Correa and Seferino Namuncurá -Mariano 10:41, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
It's Ceferino. In fact he's not a pagan figure but a Catholic Indian that many people consider a saint. I don't know much about him but I understand his beatification process is ongoing, but terribly slow (other, more politically useful people have been proclaimed saints by the dozen lately, as you may know). --Pablo D. Flores 18:25, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
Spelling (as you might have already noticed) has never been my strong point... -Mariano 11:29, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
Update: My mother tells me that the reason why Ceferino Namuncurá is never going to get official saint status is because you need to research and find miracles, with plenty of witnesses, scientific tests and all... and the people with the money to do that prefer to research evidence for John Paul II or other "famous" prospective saints, rather than a long-dead poor South American Indian. It's the money, stupid! Makes sense. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 22:38, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, you know that it is much more difficult to document the lifes virtues in an very indocumented country as Argentina, as to follow the life of JPII, which has almost all his life documented and viewed by millons.
Hard to add that to Ceferino's article, but it does make sense. Mariano(t/c) 12:51, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Popular cults

I'm moving some un-wiki-like content inserted by 64.76.47.107, so we do something about it if possible. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 15:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Ceferino Namuncura is very popular. The virgen Itati is very popular. The virgen india in La Rioja. Señor de Mailin in Santiago del Estero. The virgen Urkupiña (Salta and Jujuy).

[edit] Not sure what this is- translate and it might go well in the article.

En la Patagonia y gran parte del resto del país se venera a Ceferino Namuncurá, nacido en Chimpay, provincia de Río Negro, hijo de una cautiva criolla y un "lonco" mapuche.
En la provincia de Corrientes se venera al gaucho Gil, advocación de la virgen de Itatí y a Curuzu Jose.
En la provincias de Salta y Jujuy se veneran a las advocaciones de la virgen de El Rosario y de Las Mercedes y a la virgen del rio blanco y paypaya.
En Santiago del Estero se venera al señor de Mailín, la virgen de Huachana y la virgen de Sumampa.
En Bariloche se venera a la virgen de las Nieves y a la virgen del Nahuel Huapi.
En Catamarca se venera a la virgen del Valle.
En la provincia de Buenos Aires se venera a las advocaciones llamadas vírgenes de San Nicolás de los Arroyos, y Luján, tambien a Pancho Sierra.
En Cordoba de venera a la virgen de Punilla.
En Neuquén se venera a la advocación de la virgen de Andacollo.
En La Rioja se venera al Niño Alcalde y al Cristo de la Peña y a la virgen india de Sanagasta.
En Misiones es venerada la virgen de Iguazu.
En San Juan y gran parte del país se venera a la Difunta Correa y a la virgen del valle de Tulum.
En La Pampa se venera a Santa Maria de La Pampa.
En Santa Cruz se venera a la virgen de Guer Aike.

Rich Farmbrough 13:37, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

This anon user is undoubtedly trying to contribute, but not getting it right. I can't do much today; tomorrow I'll take the text, translate what I can, and make a big single paragraph of it leaving out the links (unless someone wants to research on all those virgins and saints). --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 14:35, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] State-church relations

I've just incorporated some content about the document released by the Episcopal Conference on 12 November 2005. This topic is obviously of interest to me, but I'm worrying that the "conflicts" section is already larger than the rest of the article (and bound to grow much larger, it seems). The "Kirchner" section is of course what takes up most of it, but it'd be very good to have a history of State-Church relations in Argentina, since 1983 or better, since the beginning of the Republic, if at least as a series of section stubs. Should we move the "conflicts" content to a separate article? Should it be State-Church relations in Argentina? Only State-Church relations in Argentina during the Kirchner administration? Opinions are welcome. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 11:34, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Pablo. I don't know exactly what to tell you, but to take a look at the articles in Category:Religion and politics. Following the naming convension of Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it might be good to use State-Church conflicts in Argentina, as an article in Category:History of Argentina. Mariano(t/c) 12:44, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, let us hope we don't come to such extremes... "Relations" seems more general, though of course, good news are no news, so most of the article will be taken up by conflicts. I'm gathering some historical (non-recent) material to flesh up the beginning. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 14:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cábalas

Would it be good to have something on Argentine 'beliefs'? Say, Cábalas (not the Jewish ones, but more of the 'touch your right one' kind), red 'pulseritas', etc? Hard not to fall in the original research hole, but seams worth trying. Mariano(t/c) 07:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

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