Talk:Religion and politics

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This is meant to be a hub article. Jackiespeel 16:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I set this page up after the Christianity and politics page was created - to provide links to various equivalent pages.

It should also cover the overlap between "religion in general" and "politics/secular interactions" - the connection between what is due to God and what is due to Caesar, and also, how the state handles interreligious relations. Jackiespeel 15:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

The "religion and class" section could be hived off into a separate page again, if someone can develop it. Jackiespeel

[edit] Needed much development

I appreciate that this was begun - it had to begin - but it surely is in need of a huge amount of development. I'll take a stab at some and invite some folks to help add to it.

I agree it has to deal with several realms of organization. I'll run out a skeleton and put some muscle and tendons and try to link up some other already existing but more specialized articles.--Smkolins 12:36, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've written some and pasted some introductory content from some other places in wikipedia ... I'm sure it'll need some cleanup and re-arrangement.... I'll work on it more too and hope others find voice to bring this forward....--Smkolins 14:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

This page is developing as I wanted: perhaps the several subsections can be created as separate pages leaving this as the hub page. Jackiespeel 16:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit]  ?

All I know is that they often make some people lose all perspective and give way to ranting and raving and carrying on like emotional children they either refuse to discuss it with reason or else they prefer argumentum ad hominem, which is a hell of a way to conduct a discussion well anyhow, not long ago, I was talking about the elections and how the campaigns were ignoring the issues and sticking instead to invective and personal crap that had nothing to do with the substantive problems of running a government which is all true, as you know, if you follow the speeches and so-called debates of the candidates anyhow, one of the guys I was talking with said not a word in the whole conversation, except at the end when he suddenly chuckled and said we were all full of shit, and "Why didn't we go live in Russia or China if that was the way we all hated the United States of America?" next thing you know the whole blooming discussion was more like a brawl and the epithets flew thick and fast and the noise was incredible someone said son-of-a-bitch and I think he said bastard I couldn't be sure it was all so confusing well anyhow, I was attempting to get it all back on a rational level I tried, for example, to talk to the one who had started it all and to ask him just what did he mean we were all full of shit? was he making a statement of fact as he knew it and where was his documentation to back up his claim I think Socrates would have been proud of the way I refuted his argument that is I tried to refute it but all he could offer by way of rebuttal was more of the same about how we were all full of shit but he wouldn't say why he just kept on repeating it, that and the part about Russia and China and Communist dupes and I have to confess that I got a bit angry and told him to stuff his ideas up his ass (which you don't have to tell me is hardly a way to convince anyone in an argument) then he got salty and threatened to give me a punch in the mouth if I didn't shut up and I really got hot and the others did too and we all beat the shit out of Mr. Conservative and after all he had only himself to be blamed this is still a free country and anyone telling a fellow like me "Brother you're full of shit!" better be good and ready to answer politely when asked if he'd care to say why!

Well, that was fun. What kind of documentation were you looking for? A bill of lading from a manure factory? Ace Diamond 22:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

What has the above dialogue got to do with the article? Can someone move it to the Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells page, where it belongs. Swearwords do not improve the argument.

[edit] Developing this article

I think there is enough information on several of the "specific religions and politics" sections to set up independent pages - leaving this page to serve the purposes I outlined at the top of this talk page.

Jackiespeel 30 January 2007 (this library computer won't let me sign in.)