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Contents 1 Lead paragraph 2 Charts 3 Only 10 songs? 4 What? 5 Hometown 6 Genre 7 New Album? 8 All Work and No Play 9 Deck the Halls 10 Other music videos 11 Move 12 Stupid spelling... 13 Otheruses template 14 Music Videos - {{cleanup-tone}} 15 New song 16 Band Photo 17 Vandalism 18 POWER RANGERS NINJA STORM 19 singles 20 Not everyone is a member of RK's message board 21 Single to be released late November? 22 リライアントK 23 I'll be honest here 24 Books 25 Five Score cover 26 What the points of singles and EPs in the article? 27 Capitalization of Band Name

[edit] Lead paragraph

The lead paragraph is pathetically short and uninformative. I don't have time right now, so could someone expand this a little? (see WP:LEAD for help) —Akrabbim 15:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charts

Could someone who knows these kinds of things, or can do some research, get some info on rating charts for some of their singles and albums? —Akrabbim 02:12, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Only 10 songs?

"Since this album was released in March of 2003, Relient K released a bonus disc for Christmas, entitled Deck the Halls, Bruise Your Hand. It only contained ten tracks but sold fairly well nonetheless." It says only ten tracks, that's a full length cd isn't it? Maybe I'm misinterpreting it, but I think that should be edited. (Cabin Tom 06:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC))

Standard CD capacity is 74-80 minutes. The average pop/rock song is 3-5 minutes long, which means for 10 songs they're using 30-50 minutes, leaving 24 to 50 minutes of CD capacity unused. Perhaps this is what was being referenced... -Ayeroxor 23:05, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What?

In early June 2005, the band was featured on MTV's 10 Spot Drop, which, although very poorly done, gave the band a boost in its popularity.

What was "poorly done"? The TV show itself? Relient K's performance? Sorry, but this is poorly worded. Also, I can't change it to make it more understandable, because I didn't see Relient K on 10 Spot Drop.—thegreentrilby 20:49, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

It was added back today, and I reverted it. True or not, there are POV problems with the wording. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 00:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hometown

I've always heard Relient K is from Toronto... but also Canton... anyone know?

They're from Canton. I've actually never heard that Relient K's from Toronto, but if people are saying that, it's because Thiessen's Canadian.—thegreentrilby 19:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

Relient K is not "CCM," "Christian punk," or "pop/punk." Relient K is and always has been Christian rock. They are Christians, their lyrics are Christianity themed and usually are in direct communication/prayer to God. Please stop changing their Genre into something that it isn't unless you link me to an interview/article/discussion in which they clearly state their Genre as anything other than Christian rock.--WatchHawk 07:25, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, AMG classifies them as "punk-pop"—or, as it's more commonly called, pop punk. Check out the styles on the Anatomy of the Tongue in Cheek and Two Lefts reviews.—thegreentrilby 17:11, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

For most of their existence they have been primarily Christian Rock, but they have always had an element of punk in thier style (esp. All Work and No Play and Relient K). As they slowly moved more mainstream, their style has become characteristically pop punk (see article). Also, being chosen for the opening act for bands like Good Charlotte and Rufio should speak for itself. --Akrabbim 17:28, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Just because Relient K did opening shows for secular bands does not make them secular. I'm going to sound like a preacher here, but this is the only way to explain it. As Christians, our job is to get out of our little comfort zones and meet/talk/fellowship/share with all peoples of all types. If I went and sat through an evolutionary teaching, that does not make me an evolutionist or change my faith. The same goes with Relient K doing opening shows for and touring with secular bands. And just because the sounds of songs of theirs sound like the style of "pop/punk" and "Christian punk" songs does not mean that's what they are; the genre of a song is based on their lyrics and what they mean. Obviously, Relient K's songs are Christianity-themed, so it's completely wrong to call them anything other than what they are, which is Christian rock. Also, just because a site like AMG classifies them as pop/punk, that doesn't mean that's what they are.--WatchHawk 19:01, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't mean this to sound harsh, and I don't want to get into an edit war here, but your argument seems overly POV. Completely disregarding professional reviews because they don't agree with you is completely illogical. Besides, no one here is trying to argue against Relient K being Christian rock. I, for one, know of no reason why they wouldn't be. The question is whether they participate in the pop punk genre, as well. The actual wording of the AMG article is "Christian punk", as they are not disregarding their Christian rock characteristics. As far as your definition of "genre" goes, I find it erroneous. The lyrics, of course, are what make Relient K Christian rock, but for the most part, genre is defined with musical style. The Music genre article defines genre as a category of pieces of music that share a certain style or "basic musical language". Characterizing genre solely by lyrical content would put Bach in the same genre as Joe Satriani, or Yellowcard with Everclear, while splitting Anatomy of the Tongue in Cheek into multiple genres (as "For the Moments I Feel Faint" and "I'm Lion-O" are significantly different, lyrically). Genre, by definition, is a measure of musical style. Sylistically, Relient K is pop punk, or Christian pop punk, whichever you prefer. I see no reason why their infobox shouldn't state both "Christian rock" and "pop punk". —Akrabbim 20:07, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Before I say anything, let me make perfectly clear that I'm not mad or hate you or anything, and I'm glad that you're hearing me out. The name "pop/punk" is insulting to a band who is primarily Christian rock, and "Christian punk" is in itself, a contrdiction in terms. I did not mean to say that a band's genre was determined only by lyrics, but it is a big part of it. Now, the way I look at it, due to the style/sound of many of their songs, and with the pop-culture references and partial humor in nearly as many songs, a good subgenre for Relient K would be 'Christian Pop'. However, they are first and foremost Christian rock, so I would like the main reading of the article to just say "Relient K is a Christian rock band...", but in the box to the side it can say Christian rock and Christian Pop.--WatchHawk 02:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I just read the Christian pop article and it fits Relient K perfectly as a subgenre.--WatchHawk 03:00, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

The word "punk" may not fit in with Christianity, but, as oxymoronic as it may be, "pop punk" is a legitimate musical subgenre. The term "punk" has come to mean more than just "anti-establishment"; it has become a musical style. Christian pop is fine, too, but Wikipedia is a reference source above all, and pop punk is certainly a legitimate genre for Relient K. I agree with you in that I don't particularly like the term "pop punk", but it is true and our own personal thoughts about the legitamacy of the words "punk pop" has no place here on Wikipedia. The lead paragraph can say "Relient K is a Christian rock band..." and the infobox can say [[Christian rock]] <br/> [[Christian pop]] <br/> [[Punk pop]]. —Akrabbim 03:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed.--WatchHawk 21:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I have modified the lead paragraph. They are certainly a Christian rock band but I have noted their crossover appeal. (UTC)

I don't think that their playing on MTV warrants the whole "secular appeal" thing. There are enough fans out there giving the band a hard time because they think they aren't Christian anymore. A lot of those fans come here. We don't want to give those doubting fans any more reason to doubt. But anyway, we need to keep the word "Christian" in this article. Someone earlier tried to delete the word "Christian" from this article and all of the album articles. That was just weird. RoryS89 02:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)RoryS89

Tried again, changed it to "crossover" appeal. That makes it clear they are a Christian rock band. Can you live with that?--Wehwalt 07:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

That's not as bad. It'll be fine I guess. ~~RoryS89

Christian is not a music genre.

the lyircs mack it christian but the type of style is pop/punk--mrs.liam aiken

[edit] New Album?

"The band has recently stated that it is recording for a new full-length record, aimed for a release sometime in the fall of 2006." Any source on this? An extensive google search turned up nothing. --24.64.124.11

Even so, Relient K releases music each year, as can be heard in this interview. No, I didn't insert that line into the article, and it should probably be reworded.—thegreentrilby 20:30, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

An anon recently added this, which I reverted: " The album will feature a new female member of Relient k, the album's title will most likely be "The Race Ahead", and will result in a total change from Christian rock to and all-out emo band. It is believed that this change will only result in a loss of fans, but Relient k is making the change with or without their fan's support." I'm not sure if any of that is factual or not. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 00:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Its obviously vandalism. --Akrabbim 16:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

www.relientk.com has made metions of them working on a new album. so you can site it straight from them, but the rest of that info seems very untrue, from what ive seen on the Relient KI sites.

Alright, Im new at this whole wikipedia thing, and i want to contribute, but i dont quite know how to. Ive found a new picture that apparently is Relient K's new album's cover... (no , not the one with the leaves... )http://www.musichristian.com/sys/product.php?PRODUCT=171186 there is the site and the picture is on there. Im pretty sure that this is the real cover for the album, and will someone please put it up on there, replacing the old one?

That is the cover of the new album, seems like everyone is stuck on thinking that this promo cover is the real cover for the album. If there is a better quality of the picture, i'm sure someone will post it. --DJREJECTED 19:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

this is the new cover. Though it is crooked, maybe someone can photoshop it. --DJREJECTED 19:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] All Work and No Play

Why is this considered their debut album? It was just a demo, it wasn't even released by an actual record company, and it only lasted like half an hour. It seems to me it should be categorized more as an EP, not album. Am I right? --Akrabbim 14:23, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I pose the same question for Deck the Halls, Bruise Your Hand. This is even shorter, and for the most part it was only sold along with Two Lefts. --Akrabbim 14:25, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

That's a good question and a good debate, though I don't think we will never know the official answer unless we have their phone numbers or speak to them personally, but I think they do classify them both as full length CD's. Need to find more research. DJREJECTED 00:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

When I orignally added the discography, it wasn't broken at all. Then I split their releases into albums and EPs. I forgot that All Work was, in fact, their demo tape, so needs to be changed. However, Deck the Halls is album-length release. Via album:

According to the rules of the British Charts, a recording counts as an album if either it has at least four tracks or lasts more than 20 minutes.

Deck the Halls has ten tracks and is 27 minutes, three seconds in length, so I think it qualifies as an album.—thegreentrilby 23:40, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, that would make Apathetic and album, too, but its called an EP. That rule serves more as distinguishing singles from albums, not EPs. —Akrabbim 00:03, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deck the Halls

I've recently seen "Deck the Halls" in passing and I distinctly remember reading on the back something along the lines of:'All songs performed by Matt Thiessen and the Earthquakes'. So, if that's the case does it even count as a Relient K album? (Cabin Tom 20:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC))

Well, considering that it says "relient K" in big letters across the front cover, I would say it is. For the Earthquakes, I think that refers to the songs with just Thiessen and his piano. I haven't heard the album, so if its all just piano and stuff, that would explain it. "The Thief" was also by the Earthquakes (on PureVolume), but it only mentioned RK on the Apathetic EP. —Akrabbim^talk 15:27, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

"I Hate Christmas Parties" was performed by Matthew Thiessen and the Earthquakes, but none of the other songs were. There is an asterik next to that track on the CD case, and then it says "*Performed by Matthew Thiessen and the Earthquakes."

Ok, thanks. I just remember asking myself who "the Earthquakes" were after seeing the CD case so it stuck in my mind, but that makes sense. Cabin Tom 20:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other music videos

Whover has the noledge could you please add information about relient k's 3 other music videos. they are My Girlfriend, Pressing On, and Chapstick Chaped Lips And Things Like Chemistry. (comment added to the article page by User:65.43.38.168, and removed by Jpers36 21:51, 11 April 2006 (UTC) .)

What do you mean, the knowledge? I put a short description of each video up when I made the list of videos with their links. There are no singles for those first three songs. The video info for the other two are on the articles for the songs and their singles.RoryS89 15:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC) RoryS89

[edit] Move

[edit] Stupid spelling...

The above is just my well-founded opinion of their name. Have the band ever made any reference to it and why they refuse to correct it or if it was on purpose? -Ayeroxor 20:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

It was on purpose, to avoid any copyright issues they may have faced if they had spelled it the same as the Reliant K car. Whether they would have or not is purely speculation. —Akrabbim 13:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to believe it. It makes some sense. Any citations? -Ayeroxor 19:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

They found out that the copyright didn't even apply to their situation, but they decided to leave it misspelled because they thought it would be funny. I like it better with an 'e' anyway. RoryS89 00:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)RoryS89

[edit] Otheruses template

Oops I messed it up on accident... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.12.134.148 (talk • contribs) .

Don't worry about it. I fixed it. —Akrabbim^talk 22:20, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music Videos - {{cleanup-tone}}

First of all, this section could barely even be considered prose. Second, Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files. Third, is a complete section even needed for this? I think it could probably be incorporated easily somewhere else without listing them with their respective links. —Akrabbim^talk 23:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I think there are some areas where complaining might go too far, and I'm sorry, but I think this is one. What do you suggest we do? Put the names of them into a paragraph? And what are you talking about with the links? There's links to all sorts of sites on this page! And yes, people want to see this. I don't know if you go to the Relient K boards, but I see people all the time who never knew there was a video for My Girlfriend or Pressing On. Also, I've seen at least five other band pages with the videos done in that format. No one else has complained about it, and I think it is helpful to people. I think it should be left alone, whether or not something looks good to one person shouldn't decide whether it should have major changes or be removed completely. I'm sorry if I come across as mean, I don't mean to be, but I don't like how people are always in a rush to remove or change something that's perfectly fine. I created the section after all, I thought maybe I'd get some thanks instead of complaints. RoryS89 17:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)RoryS89

Maybe what I was trying to say was not that the information is unimportant and unworthy for Wikipedia but that it perhaps was given too much prominence in the article. The summaries of the videos I think are also extraneous. How about we make a little table in the discography between the singles and compilations, with the year, song, album, and link? What do you think? —Akrabbim^talk 15:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that might work. RoryS89 01:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)RoryS89

[edit] New song

Why are we continually changing the song title to "Bit My Tongue"? I've read accounts from many people who saw the song performed by the band, and they have all said it is "Bite My Tongue". Where does it say "Bit"? I'd just like to know.RoryS89 22:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)RoryS89

Nevermind, I've figured it out now.RoryS89 03:55, 12 August 2006 (UTC)RoryS89

[edit] Band Photo

Shouldn't we use another one of their promotional photos? We could move the current one to a different spot in the article, it's just that it doesn't show their faces directly or anything, although most band profiles do.RoryS89 23:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)RoryS89

[edit] Vandalism

Everyone who continues to vandalize this article needs to stop. This is getting ridiculous, and it's pathetic to see it.RoryS89 20:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)RoryS89

[edit] POWER RANGERS NINJA STORM

What's the song they did for this series, called?

And who says they did a song for the series?RoryS89 04:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)RoryS89

[edit] singles

First of all, is "The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything" a single, or an EP? It was never released for radio play. On the flipside, what about "I So Hate Consequences"? Shouldn't that be considered a single, since it released on radio? Or are they both singles, and why am I the first one to notice the lack of "I So Hate Consequences"? —Akrabbim^talk 15:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Pirates is a single purely for being released on a CD outside of the Veggie Tales CD, but the only other real singles ares those that were released on CDs and were om Mmhmm. We should probably list any song that was released a Christian market single though. That includes the following: My Girlfriend, Wake Up Call, Softer to Me, Pressing On, Sadie Hawkins Dance, Those Words Are Not Enough, For the Moments I Feel Faint, Chapstick, Forward Motion, I Am Understood, Getting Into You, High of 75, I So Hate Consequences, and The Truth. Other actual singles are of course, Be My Escape and Who I Am. Must Have Done Something Right is the next one, and Jeff Risden (the band's manager) has announced that there will be a Christian radio single released in mid to late November, other than that song. Bite My Tongue or Devastation and Reform would be good, but one song I heard online that I hope is the single is a song called "I Need You". The chorus is amazing, and the verses have my personal favorite technique of Matt and Dave singing back and forth. Just like in I So Hate Consequences, More Than Useless (though that one also includes John), and the like.RoryS89 02:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)RoryS89

It's an EP.

I own "The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything EP" It includes "The Pirates Who Dont Do Anything" Preformed by Relient K as well as "Breakdown" Preformed by Larry The Cucumber.

[edit] Not everyone is a member of RK's message board

For "Proof," please host a screenshot of the message on photobucket or tinypic—NFAN3

I agree, although the original should still be linked to.--roger6106 17:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Single to be released late November?

Well, was it? Updating needed--Wehwalt 15:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

"Must Have Done Something Right" has been released to a very limited amount of stations so far. It will be nationally released sometime in December 2006. Switchfo0t813

[edit] リライアントK

Added redirect for Relient K's name in Japanese. Which is used on the Japanese prints of their albums. Smile Lee 08:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I'll be honest here

I used to edit the Relient K article all the time, and it was a lot of fun for me. But it's no longer fun for me. This article has been butchered and altered far too much. We can no longer use promotional pictures of them, while other band pages can use promo shots. We can't list their EPs and Music Videos on a page other than their Discography anymore. Their history has been edited so that all information before 2004 has been removed. Also, half the trivia has been taken away too. I personally think it is horrible what is happening to this page, and it is no where near as informative as it used to be. I just thought I'd say this already, cause it's been bugging me for a while now. I pray that this article can hopefully get back to being the cool band article it was before.RoryS89 22:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)RoryS89

As far as other bands being able to use promo shots, you may want to tag the pictures with {{subst:rfu}} if the bands are still together and making appearances. —ShadowHalo 00:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

This is a problem with many currently popular bands (and older bands too, try dc Talk). I do feel yaur pain; my response has been to try to improve the quality of less popular, but no less relevant articles. Dan, the CowMan 05:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Well the history is still here. The discography page was created in the first place because the discography section was too big. And there's no point having the information in two places because then we'd have to update every change twice. People will go to the discography page if they want more information. As for the trivia section, I think I'm responsible here. Some of the trivia that was related to the albums I just moved to the album pages. But the rest was just too unnotable and fancrufty. - kollision 06:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Theres well over 1000 edits to this page, the first entery being in April 2004. Both RK and Wikipedia have evolved a lot since then. Some day we'll be able to look over the whole history of the band and write an article based on WP's then-current standards, but yesterday there were 17 changes, and 9 today (so far), which creates massive issues for upkeep of the page. Dan, the CowMan 04:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Books

There are currently 3 Relient K books not just 1. The other two are books based on there albms which are called Mmhmm and Two lefts dont make a right but three do. They are avlible off amazone as paperback books and are seperate from the cds.

ummm can you tell me what those books are called?--Gilan42 05:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Those aren't books, they're lyrics, music notes, rifts, and drum timings. Smile Lee 12:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Five Score cover

I've seen two: this one and this one. Which one is it? —Akrabbim^talk 20:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It's been discussed in the article by RoryS89, I'll go ahead and help you out here. The first cover with the leaves is the radio promo cover that was distributed to radio stations, the second one is the actual cover itself. You can check out ANTH NET, Music Christian if you don't believe me. Now some sites will show the cover that is the first one, they just haven't received the new album cover. Hope this helps you out Akrabbim! --DJREJECTED 23:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It can also be seen on Gotee Records website. [1]. --DJREJECTED 09:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Man, I liked the first one better... —Akrabbim^talk 14:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

You should really be talking about this at Talk:Five Score and Seven Years Ago--User:NFAN3|NFAN3 04:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What the points of singles and EPs in the article?

I vote we just leave albums because it makes Relient K discography pointless--User:NFAN3|NFAN3 04:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Leaving just albums is pretty standard for band articles with a separate discography page. And having to update chart information twice is pointless. When the singles and EPs are removed, I think we should change to a Gallery format for the albums, so we get to see the album covers better, while still having all the information (except the status which should be chucked). The discography page should still use the table though. - kollision 04:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I never said get rid of the discography, I just said this article makes it look pointless--User:NFAN3|NFAN3 15:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Singles and EP's should be removed unless moved to a format like in the Five Iron Frenzy article. But we should still remove the singles and maybe keep the EP's up--DJREJECTED 15:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't saying to get rid of the discography either. I was agreeing that singles and EPs should be removed and said the albums should be changed to gallery format, like the Placebo article. - kollision 02:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, if the 3 of us agree, lets do it--User:NFAN3|NFAN3 18:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Much better. Dan, the CowMan 06:07, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalization of Band Name

To my knowledge, the band's official capitalization has always been 'relient K' with a lowercase 'r', using the album covers from the first few CDs as evidence. Should this be changed in the Wikipedia article? D3PyroGS 16:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

They keep changing —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NFAN3 (talk • contribs) 11:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC).