Talk:Reinhold Messner
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"Charges have been leveled" seems a bit extreme and perhaps non-NPOV. He didn't commit any crime if he did push himself too hard and has suffered brain damage (I don't know either way) as a result. His mountaineering accomplishments cannot be any less great if such "charges" are true. Every climber has the option to push himself to extreme (yes, I'm sure most accomplished climbers have pushed themselves to such limits). Sounds to me like there's some mountaineers out there that might be just a little too jealous of his astounding accomplishments. I believe Anatoli Boukreev summitted Everest at least once w/o supplemental oxygen but was not a solo ascent. RedWolf 06:46, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
- Comes from politics I'll bet, where people are always "leveling charges". It would be cool to locate a particular source for the claim - an editorial or maybe even just a press release from a campaign opponent, which would certainly put it in perspective. If there's no source, then I'd delete the claim altogether, we may just be repeating an anonymous smear attempt. If we kept brain-damaged people out of politics it would be total anarchy! :-) Stan 12:31, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
-- Goran Kropp soloed Everest without supplementary oxygen.
I've removed to here, for work that may make it suitable to the article, the whole 'graph
- Possibly related to his book about the Yeti, charges have been leveled against Messner that he has perhaps pushed himself too hard in his career and suffered real brain damage from hypoxia at high altitudes. Others counter that this does not in any way detract from his accomplishments, and Messner himself has always been very much an individualist from the start. If nothing, the story of the Yeti surely gave him some air time in the media with possible effect on the sales of his books, one of which is titled after the story.
It was too vague even before the yeti stuff was added, and "possibly related" is either original research or even less acceptable vagueness than before. What is it that the sources say? -- that may help work up encyclopedic language.
--Jerzy (t) 03:36, 2005 Apr 11 (UTC)
Maybe something about his competition with Kukuczka "who would be first to reach all 14 peaks" should be added and the controversies explained? Szopen 13:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Would be nice. Do you have some reference? Gala.martin 03:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Messner and Knopp are not the only one to achieve a solo ascent to Everest without using oxygen. For instance also Alison Hargreaves (a woman) accomplished that goal (she was the second one after R.Messner), and likely many others somebody else. gala.martin (what?) 20:07, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] How many toes?
The article says he lost seven, but I recall that in the Herzog film he says he still has 4 (this is from memory so I might be mistaken) ... presumably he wasn't born with 11. Do we have a citable source for the number of toes lost? Stumps 05:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- I was looking for references about this issue a while ago. Online, you can find several discrepancies. For instance:
- Here they say M. lost all of his toes, even if they do not say he lost them all because of the Nanga Parbat troubles.
- Here half a dozen (on Nanga Parbat).
- Here they say he lost the majority of his toes, and several fingertips.
Anyway, I believe that this article by The Guardian is likely the most reliable. You can find there some words by Messner himself, where he says seven toes. The Guardian has always been quite interested and precise about Messner related stuff, so I think seven toes is likely right. Probably, he lost other toes or fingers later, years after the Nanga Parbat.
