User talk:Redaktor

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[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, Redaktor, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  and Shalom Aleichem! IZAK 09:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ger (Hassidic dynasty) peacock terms

Will conduct this discussion at User talk:Zargulon#Ger (Hassidic dynasty), please watch my talk page. Zargulon 10:41, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Rebbe

Hi Redaktor, and welcome again. I saw your comments at Talk:Rebbe. Please note: All NEW comments and discussions must start at the bottom of every talk page where users know to look for the latest comments, so placing them on top does not help you or the comments get more attention. Also you did not sign the new comments there. Use four tildes ~~~~ and that will automatically sign your name, date and time for you. Best wishes and Hatzlochah IZAK 09:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your home User page

Hi Radaktor: It would be nice if you could write a few comments about your interests etc on User:Redaktor which is your own "home page" on Wikipedia that helps others get a basic sense of you and/or your interests. Best wishes, IZAK 05:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bruchim Haboim

Hello. I just wanted to drop by and say, welcome. There are many frum editors here, some more active than others, and there's lots of work to be done. I am an administrator and would be happy to be of service whenever needed. You can contact me on my talk page. Gut voch and welcome once again. - crz crztalk 04:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Oy This user does not speak Yeshivish.
Just copy the code. Enjoy. - crz crztalk 11:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mishkenos Haroim

Do you know anything more about them? I know nothing about them. All I know is where their BM is and that they are in the Edah. --Chussid 22:24, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't even know where their BM is. But their rebbe is a brother (?) of the Porisover Rebbe. -Redaktor 22:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
"Mishkenos Haroim" is the b"m of their fathar rabbi Binyumin Rabinowitz Zt"l Neigerig 13:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Including a reference to an item in Wiktionary

How can I include a reference to Wiktionary without repeating the referenced term e.g. [[Wiktionary:term|term]]  ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Redaktor (talk • contribs).

Perhaps if you could tell us where you want to use the reference(s), we could help you. --Nearly Headless Nick 11:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for galloping to my aid, gallant knight. I have just solved the problem – I need to write [[wiktionary:term|term]] using a lower case 'w'. I guess it's simple when you know how. - Redaktor 11:33, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
No, that was nonsense. I have used it in Baruch Yehoshua Yerachmiel Rabinowicz; search for 'weltanschauung' – Redaktor 11:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
[[Wiktionary:theword|wordyouwantdisplayed]]
-- That Guy, From That Show! 13:21, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Or -- and mind you, this is one the most closely guarded secrets of pipe syntax -- [[Wiktionary:weltanschauung|]] (note the trailing pipe). Luna Santin 13:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Grrr… trailing pipe– now why didn't I think of that myself? Thanks, anyway – Redaktor 14:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] When moving pages

You should check "what links here", and edit all those pages accordingly. Yesterday I moved "Rabbi Baruch...vich" to "Baruch...vich", and edited all the pages that linked to it. Today you moved "Baruch...vich" to "Baruch...wicz", but left all the links to the old page. I've corrected them, but please be aware of this issue in future. Zsero 18:11, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

1 Thank you for the corrections.
2 I checked the Wikipedia guidelines: they say that on moving pages one should clean up double redirects. Is it the general practice to remove single redirects too? – Redaktor 18:59, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
If you clean up single redirects, then there won't be any doubles. In any case, if the reason you've moved the page is that the old name was incorrect, then pages that reference it should obviously be corrected. The only reason to leave a redirected link in place would be if both names were legitimate, and in the context of the referring article the secondary name is the obvious one to use (e.g. in another language). At least, kein nir'eh li. Zsero 19:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
What you say makes sense. Noted. א דאנק- Redaktor 20:27, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biala Rebbe

BS"D

R' Yakkov Yitzchok Rabinowicz of Peshischa ZT"L, was known among most of the Chossidishe oilam as Der Heiliger Yid. Better to leave it there than to get rid of it and other important info. BTW, please put an edit summary when making edits like this.

א גרווזר דאנק (Sorry, I cant spell in Yiddish and I cant type In Hebrew letters on my Internet browser, so it is in HTML)

--Shaul avrom 20:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

edit summary—before making my edit I posted a question on the talk page, and no-one came up with an answer. I accept your assertion that some chasidim call him דער הייליגער ייד if you say so, but what is your source that 'most of' the chasidisher oylom do? In all my years I have only heard דער ייד הקדוש— never דער הייליגער ייד --Redaktor 22:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] mir

I did fix some of the links, but got bored and relied on a capable editor (like you) to help out. Shkoyach!

In regard to the Mir (Brooklyn), I dont really have anything to add at this time.

Are you planning to erase the yeshiva history in the Mir articles now that you made a seperate entry for Mir (Poland)? I am not sure that is the right thing to do, considering that the history of the yeshiva is very important to the yeshiva.

Yeshivish–thanks for doing as much as you did! Are there any sources for Mir (Brooklyn) so that we can add some more substance to the article?
For the time being I have left a copy of the history in the Mir articles. But, to be honest, the 'modern Mir' articles should only carry a brief history, with a link to the Mir (Poland) article. Isn't that the most satisfactory way of handling it?
NB It is considered good etiquette to sign and date your posts, either by inserting four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking the signature button in the panel above the edit box. --Redaktor 22:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Its going to be difficult get anything of substance for Mir (Brooklyn). I hate to say this, but it does not have anything going for itself besides for its history.

After thinking about it I realized, that to move the history to Mir (Poland) might be the best thing to do. However, the link pointing to the history should be at the top of the article.

I plan on making articles for some Mirrers,R Asher Arielli, R Eliezer Yehudah Finkel, et. al.--Yeshivish 23:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

He was in the one on Brooklyn. see Meir Kahana --Yeshivish 00:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jayg and Humus vandalizing

Please see Anti-Zionism and Joel Teitelbaum. Jayg and Humus are out to delete all references to jewsagainstzionism.com, claiming WP:RS. --Chussid 10:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reb Chaim Shmuelevitz

Hi Redaktor: Please see my response at User talk:IZAK#Chaim Shmuelevitz – requested move. Thanks, IZAK 04:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "myjewishlearning" linkspammer

I have blocked the user and reverted/deleted all of his work. He is their "marketing director". I am guessing this is his idea of "marketing". Next time, point it out to me or another sysop directly. It's easy to revert all this with admin rollback. - crz crztalk 21:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal tags

Thank you for reverting vandalism on Wikipedia!

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[edit] Cholov Yisroel

BS"D

It just makes sense that we should say that it takes a rov to make dairy Cholov Yisroel, because, quite frankly, I know may Yidden who supervise in dairy factories who very well may have mixed Treife Milk and Kosher Milk. On that note as well, Normally a Mashgiach is a Rov, so, it makes sense. Thats what Hashgchoh is, so their you go.

--Shaul avrom 18:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mezritsh

Mezritsh is Miedzyrzec Korecki, in today Ukraine, not Międzyrzec Podlaski in Poland. Probably the village uk:Великі Межирічі. Xx236 08:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment, Xx236. We are both right and, also, most probably, both wrong. Let me explain. There was a Mezritsher Rebbe, and he lived in Międzyrzec Podlaski in Poland. However, he does not qualify for a dynasty of his own. I have entered him in Biala (Hasidic dynasty). You are undoubtedly referring to the Magid, Rebbe Dov Ber of Rovno and Międzyrzec Korecki. He was the progenitor of the widely known Ruzhin (Hasidic dynasty) for which a stub page exists. Logically we should delete Mezritsh from the list of dynasties and include references, either on the page or the Talk page, to the substantive dynasties. --Redaktor 13:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nowy Żmigród

The Sanz-Zhmigrod Hasidic dynasty originates there. - inserted by a controversial author. The article informs about Sanz dynasty, so maybe not originates? Xx236 09:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I have updated the link. I think the text is OK now. Thanks Xx236 for drawing this to my attention. --Redaktor 22:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The Jewish name is the name of the Nowy Żmigród. Żmigród was Trachenberg till 1945. Xx236 13:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry—I should have spotted this. Thanks for the correction. --Redaktor 18:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wallabouter Rebbe

I noticed that you removed "Wallabout" from the list of Rebbes or dynasties. I don't thing it's our job to determine who is a Rebbe and who is not. The Wallabouter Rebbe actually has a Beth Hamedrash on Wallabout street in Williamsburg, so he is as legit as anyone else. Itzse 01:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

The Wallabout'e shul just moved to a brand new bigger location on 7 Franklin Av. in Williamsburg, Broooklyn Neigerig 13:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Just spoke to someone who knows him, and he told me that just two weeks ago in a daily bulletin called Dvar yoim beyoimoi, there was an announcement that there was a simcha by "HoAdmor Me'Wallabout". Also that he moved to a bigger Shul at Wallabout corner Franklin; so now he deserves even more, to be listed among the Rebbes and dynasties. Itzse 17:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, Itsze, I didn't realize that it was one of your contributions. (It looked like a spoof to me!) Actually we ought to keep two lists—one of dynasties, and another of rebbelekh who do not belong to any dynasty. (BTW not everyone with a shtibl is rebbe— I take your word for it that he is a chasidisher rebbe. I shudder to think what a list we'll have if we start to include every shtibl in the world.) --Redaktor 17:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Redaktor; we just had an edit clash, but no problem, it was straightened out. I think it's an excellent idea that you have, to separate the two; Rebbes and dynasties. I must admit that if we list everybody who calls himself a Rebbe; the entire institution called Chasidus might be tarnished. But this is an Encyclopedia; where people come for information; and an Encyclopedia cannot be complete if it doesn't include everything; because somebody out there is looking exactly for this information which we might think it unimportant or maybe even ridiculous. My gut feeling is, that exposure will only benefit Chasidus as everybody will realize that everything is on record and people will think twice before they consider calling themselves a Rebbe.

I'm not bashing the idea; I can see many benefits and also many chisroines of such a phenomena that people give themselves titles of so-in-so Rebbe and so-in-so Rabbi; but it's not our job here to straighten out the world; we only report what is, and let the chips fall where they may. Itzse 17:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I intend to start by making a template for the dynasties—I had been thinking along those lines anyway. Then we can look at how to list the one-off admoirim—maybe another template or some other device. --Redaktor 18:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok Koi lechoi Redaktor. It would be beautiful to see the whole Chasidic world at a glance. Maybe it will cause a kinas sofrim as competition is good for everyone. Itzse 20:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gateshead

Hi, I didn't remove the fact that there are notable Jewish establishments in Gateshead, I just removed the "world class" description, as this doesn't really tell the reader anything, and is rather subjective. Under the Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms guideline, it's advisable not to make assertions like that - perhaps you could expand the Jews and Judaism in North East England article's entry on Gateshead. Thanks. Bob talk 00:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

When I have time I shall be happy to expand the section. The description world-class is not at all subjective and is used, where relevant, for academic institutions which (a) are on a par with cognate leading institutions worldwide and (b) attract students worldwide. This applies to three or four of the Jewish educational institutions in Gateshead. It is not for nothing that Gateshead, with its fairly small Jewish community, is a byword for Jewish education throughout the Jewish world. --Redaktor 00:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bobov

Hi Redaktor. Thanks for your edits to enhance the Bobov pages. As I see you're a fair editor; and one of your interests is Chasidic dynasties; can you please give a look on what I wrote to Chesdovi and give your thoughts. Issac 17:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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And thank you too for your comments and edits. There are too many people with a) an agenda b) new to Chasidis and c) who don't know what they're talking about. --ChosidFrumBirth 00:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your Reverting of my edit to article: Rebbe

You have reverted my edit to the article Rebbe, with the explanation of "factually incorrect". Please tell me which portion of my edit to the introduction of the article was factually incorrect, and how it was incorrect. My regards, and thank you for your cooperation. Noogster 02:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Noogster: You made an edit without explaining its basis or giving a source. 1 A rebbe is not a chief rabbi. He is a spiritual leader. 2 The phrase 'rabbi of a dynasty' does not make sense. 3 There have, on occasions, been two rebbes simultaneously for a chasidic group. 4 The fact that some groups do not have a living rebbe is a detail, which does not belong to the prelude of the 'Rebbe' article. --Redaktor 12:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
1.Well, you see though, all Rebbes are also Rabbis. The most important Rabbi in an entire group of Rabbis can promptly be addressed as the "chief" one. So while "spiritual leader" makes sense, "chief Rabbi" is language that is a bit more neutral. 2. Hm, looking back on it, it may not make perfect sense I now admit. I wanted to stress the fact that they go by dynasties. tho. 3. Really? Interesting, and it's news to me. 4. Alright, but make sure it gets placed somewhere in the article. So perhaps you're correct for the most part, Redaktor. Carry on, then. :D Noogster 16:34, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Copyright issue with Shomrim (volunteers)

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The article was not a copyright violation. I rewrote the source text in my own words. I did not copy any images so why say that I did.--Redaktor 18:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Most of the entry was word for word from the article so that is why it was a copyvio. Yossiea (talk) 18:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Since you have deleted the article I can't check, can I?--Redaktor 18:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I didn't delete it. Yossiea (talk) 19:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Infobox Rebbe

Template:Infobox Rebbe has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --Yossiea (talk) 21:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Happy to help support. --ChosidFrumBirth 13:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I undestood what it meant, but I didn't like it. I usually see that term used in an animal context. How about simply "children"?--Yeshivish 02:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC) 02:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Married with issue is what is found in "The Unbroken Chain." What I think should be done is simply have one place for wife and one place for children. If a rebbe had two wives, separate them with a ";" and in the children part list the children separated with commas and then a ; for children with the second wife. Wife1 and wife2 doesn't sound right, to me. Also, I'm not sure if it's in place, but perhaps a small placeholder for a 50*50 picture would be good, if we can get pictures that size. Yossiea (talk) 03:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
גוט וואך My response: 1 Placeholder for picture. It's there! Just use the Image variable. For example Yissachar Dov Rokeach (I). 2 I can change Issue to Children if you are bothered by it. 3 I don't understand the objection to Wife 2 for someone's second wife.--Redaktor 23:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Redaktor sorry to bother you but Klezmer keeps deleting the Medzhibozh dynasty on both the Baal Shem Tov page Yisroel_ben_Eliezer_(The_Baal_Shem_Tov) and the Baal Shem Tov's family tree on the List of Hasidic Dynasties page --We went through this already when the Medzhibozh dynasty page was first written and it was decided to keep -- Klezmer seems to be bothered because of he's hung up on the Apter "Rebbe" as being the continuation of Medzhibozh -- do you want to a look and put your two cents in. --ChosidFrumBirth 00:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Any idea what to do about Klezmer arbitrarily reverting your edits and mine twenty times a day? --ChosidFrumBirth 16:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Your edits to the talk page of Portal:Israel

It may seem like a minor thing, but I don't like it when people edit my comments even to "correct" a wikilink, as you did. It's not really necessary, as my meaning was understood whether I spelled "hamantash" the Hebrew way with an A, or the Yiddish way with an O. Thanks. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 09:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure I understand what you are upset about. I have left your original spelling (German, not Hebrew) untouched.--Redaktor 11:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I was referring to this edit. As I said, it's rather trivial, but edits to talk pages should be to add comments, or else archiving. Thank you. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 13:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cork's Apple

I've come across an article which I believe to be falsified. Could you please take a look at Cork's apple? There are no citations of sources in the article, and a quick google search produces no information aside from that very article. I appreciate your help! Kntrabssi 10:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[1] looks genuine to me.--Redaktor 10:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Mythical edits

Image:Rzeczpospolita Rozbiory 1.png —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daanschr (talk • contribs) 15:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

Sorry for the large map.

Lyubavichi was Polish in the 18th century. It is in the green area west of Smolensk on the other side of the black line. The small green area west of Smolensk with Witebsk in it was occupied by Russia in 1772.

Chernobyl is in the white area (Poland), north-west of Kijów (Kyiv), on the west-bank of the Dnepr. It became Russian in 1793.

Karlin is in the red area (Lithuania, part of Poland). It became Russian in either 1793 or 1795.

Skvira is in the white area (Poland), very near to the Russian border. It became Russian in 1793.--Daanschr 17:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Why on earth is it of interest that Lyubavichi was in Poland in 1772? No doubt it was in some other countries before that. The Mitler Rebbe moved to Lyubavichi in 1796, by which time it was Russia.
Karlin was indeed in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, but Karliners always refer to it as being in Lithuania (not Poland), which is factually correct.
The Skverer dynasty (of Skvira) dates from 1840, by which time Poland was no longer a memory.
To tell you the truth, I am not at all convinced that the List of hasidic dynasties needs to include a history lesson at all; surely the right place for that is on the individual pages. But, if we are going to include historical countries, they should be relevant to the start date of the dynasty.
Thanks for the map though. What date is it from? --Redaktor 20:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I was just being bored, so i edited another article. I didn't know exactly when the dynasties started. The map is made by Wikipedians, i don't know when. It refers to the first partition of Poland in 1772.--Daanschr 11:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Could you have a look at these articles and their talk?

I see you're interested in wikiproject Judaism. Could you have a look at these articles and their talk?

I feel the articles are extremely well sourced and balanced. I'd like somebody else to remove the tags. Please look at my last versions, because I have run up against somebody from the evolution/creation universe who wants to pick a fight. --Metzenberg 04:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the tags should stay. Both articles seem to be a random collection of items, and by no means encylopedic. For example, in Jewish reactions to intelligent design the section headed 'Orthodox Jewry' is by no means representative. In fact it is an extract from a newpaper report about a single conference. For the first account of an Intelligent Designer you will need to go much further back than Thomas Aquinas. See Medrash Rabo (Lech Lecho) about the Patriarch Abraham. Sorry I cannot be of help.--Redaktor 10:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Reedy Bot

I just noticed your post at User talk:IZAK regarding Reedy Bot's recent edits. I just want to point out that this is an issue that is being dealt with, specifically at User talk:Reedy Boy. An administrator, User:El C, has corrected most of the bot's mistakes (manually!) and the rest of the inappropriate tags probably have to do with poor categorization, since it specifically tags articles in categories that ostensibly relate to Israel.--DLandTALK 22:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I am afraid I missed that. --Redaktor 22:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Reedy Bot

Hi Redaktor: Please note that I am not an admin so that if you have a serious problem that requires admin intervention may I suggest you contact these who are admins, such as: User:Jayjg; User:TShilo12; User:SlimVirgin; User:Humus sapiens; and User:Jfdwolff as, in addition to their technical expertise and familiarity with Wikipedia policies, they also have a strong interest and knowledge of Jewish topics. Best wishes, IZAK 02:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I saw that you edited the Kabbalah article

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