User:Redwolf24/Archive16

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Contents 1 "The Wiki Way" and similar proposals 2 Bush 3 Your friends page 4 Sig 5 Zap! 6 Hm, I wonder... 7 Warning! 8 Bmicomp's RfA 9 Something I saw 10 Android79's RfA 11 admin question 12 RfA 13 Harry Potter trolling 14 block 3RR troll please 15 Esperanza 16 Portal:Oz 17 Coey 18 Your revert on the Harry Potter AfD 19 sound excerpts and copyright 20 Four Wheels

[edit] "The Wiki Way" and similar proposals

I just wanted to compliment you on keeping an eye on this topic, while at the same time keeping your cool. My feeling is that Xiong is looking to engender heated responses, and it benefits the community for him not simply to be rebuffed (when he's wrong and is seeking confrontation rather than consensus), but for him to be rebuffed calmly, in the spirit of consensus, and without aggression. Thanks again. Nandesuka 12:11, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for that, its appreciated. :) Redwolf24 (talk) 19:31, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

The Wiki Way is not a proposal, and nothing is similar to it. — Xiong熊talk* 06:27, 2005 September 12 (UTC)

[edit] Bush

It wasn't even the word Bush, it was "Bush's". I couldn't imagine any purpose to that red link, so I removed it. I figured it was probably only there by accident. Everyking 02:43, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

no, that wasn't my problem, I just want an edit summary. Redwolf24 (talk) 02:47, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your friends page

As happy as I was to be on your friends page, I feel you are correct in deleting it. After seeing you and Essjay with friends pages, I thought I might want to create one of my own, but decided against it out of better judgement. While I admire you both, and consider you to be great editors (as I do for many others out there), one runs afoul of watching out for others' feelings whenever one creates a page like this. I noticed most of those users you listed were the ones who helped you out in the Redwolfisgay saga, and removing some who do not consider you a friend, or whom you no longer consider friends would be seen as quite rude. You seem like a welcoming user, and a nice person, but the thing about the internet is that, for all I know, you could be an axe murderer, or crazy (not that there is anything wrong with axe murdering), and the same can be said of me, or any other member here, as much as I'd love to believe otherwise. Please don't take this personally, as I love to come picnic at your talk page constantly, but I think you were right in removing it. All the best, [[User:Mysekurity|Mysekurity]] ^{[[additions | e-mail]]} _{03:10, 12 September 2005 (UTC)}

1. REDIRECT Lizzy Bordin. Redwolf24 (talk) 03:17, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Har har har....You know there's a musical made about her? (I saw an ad for it somewhere, and I've been to the house; it's creepy!) On a related thought, wouldn't it be terrible to be the filmmaker? I'm reminded of Office Space to the 10,000^th power. [[User:Mysekurity|Mysekurity]] ^{[[additions | e-mail]]} _{03:24, 12 September 2005 (UTC)}

Great movie. Redwolf24 (talk) 03:29, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

• Sigh*. Yes it was. I find it interesting that with all the sequels today, they didn't make another Office Space (thank God). Don't get me wrong, I loved it, but there's too many sequels these days. </nostalga> --[[User:Mysekurity|Mysekurity]] ^{[[additions | e-mail]]} _{00:02, 13 September 2005 (UTC)}

Hey some sequels are alright. American Pie 2, Scary Movie 2, though note the third movie in each series wasn't that great..... Redwolf24 (talk) 00:14, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Eh, true. Jurassic Park 2 was pretty good, as was Terminator 2: Judgment Day, but I guess it's the trilogy part that kills me. (Note that some films work as trilogies, and some dont. The tagline from Scary Movie 3 was "Great trilogies come in threes") -[[User:Mysekurity|Mysekurity]] ^{[[additions | e-mail]]} _{00:23, 13 September 2005 (UTC)}

P.S. Oh Jesus. I just looked at the Jurassic Park page, and it looks like they're making a fourth.....WoW, just WoW...

Star Wars was good with sequels. As was Indiana Jones, and Bond, though you don't think of that as sequels really... I'll tell you this though, Matrix 2 sucked, the first was the best, and the third was pretty good. Redwolf24 (talk) 00:28, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I am in complete agreement with you on that. Matrix 2 made my head hurt, and the girl I went with to see it kept laughing when Smith would absorb someone. It tried too hard to philisophiclize and make connections with religion and such. The first was kickass, the second one was terrible, and the third O.K. I wonder what those Watchawski brothers are doing now? -[[User:Mysekurity|Mysekurity]] ^{[[additions | e-mail]]} _{00:32, 13 September 2005 (UTC)}

• Butting in* You know, I loved the first Matrix, but the other two just weren't as good. As a philosopher and (more importantly) theologian, I had a great time watching Matrix 1, but the (non-prof) friends I saw it with apparently didn't, as they kept telling me to shut up... ; - ) -- Essjay · Talk 00:50, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sig

Thanks! It's a work in progress. :-) Still trying to refine it. :-P Maltmomma ^{(chat) 03:17, September 12, 2005 (UTC)}

Its good as is in my opinion. Redwolf24 (talk) 03:20, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

I like it too! (I'm a huge fan of comic sans). What do you think of mine? It's not that new, but it's semi-new.... _[[User:Mysekurity|Mysekurity]] ^{[[additions | e-mail]]} _{03:32, 12 September 2005 (UTC)}

My normal font is like this. Maybe I should add that to my signature... I'll go test it. Redwolf24 (talk) 03:45, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Speaking of sigs, I recently noticed that I too have an e in my username (yes, it took me a long time), and have been thus far very interested in the idea of Esperanza. I would like to become more active, but I would also like to refer others to the page, and was wondering if I could steal your green e idea, or perhaps if you'd help me to create an idea of my own, I'd very much appreciate it. Continuous thanks, [[User:Mysekurity|Mysekurity]] ^{[[additions | e-mail]]} _{00:02, 13 September 2005 (UTC)}

Yes, by all means take it. Redwolf24 (talk) 00:04, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Why thankya! Only problem is, it's kinda long, but hopefully the e will stand out at least a little. If not, then it's back to the drawing board. Thanks again, [[User:Mysekurity|Mysekurity]] ^{[[additions | e-mail]]}_{00:29, 13 September 2005 (UTC)}

Haha... I stole it too. Thanks for the idea. --Lord Voldemort ^{(Dark Mark)} 19:41, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

;) Redwolf24 (talk) 22:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Wow, why doesn't everyone just go and steal it now, gosh. I thought I would be an origional thief, but NOOOoooOO... C'mon Vader, if you want to steal something.....(I can't think of the rest). But yeah, I think the bold and italic e looks better in your sig, Red's is more of a subtle message, but yours and mine needs to stand out more. Thanks Red for having good ideas and letting me steal them. -[[User:Mysekurity|Mysekurity]] ^{[[additions | e-mail]]} _{03:32, 14 September 2005 (UTC)}

Uh.. you're welcomee? ;) Redwolf24 (talk) 03:47, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Meh, I've been using ε for "email" for a while... Nobody seems to use it though! Alphax ^τεχ 09:44, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Zap!

Zap!!!. :) Howabout1 ^{Talk to me!} 03:22, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Wha? You've been out for 12 days and yet have made well over 500 edits and many every day??? Howabout1 ^{Talk to me!} 03:27, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

What are you trying to say? Redwolf24 (talk) 03:29, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Your status box is very misleading. Howabout1 ^{Talk to me!} 03:31, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Oh that. Ive only been half in and half out. Redwolf24 (talk) 03:32, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Ok. Thats why I only had a status box for two days. Howabout1 ^{Talk to me!} 03:35, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Test! Redwolf24 (talk) 03:46, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hm, I wonder...

You know how people sell experienced MMORPG characters on eBay? The game companies don't like it but can't quite stop it either. Hm....selling admin accounts? (joke!) FreplySpang (talk) 04:05, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Your highest bidder is Willy On Wheels at 600 dollars. *accept*. Wow, that would suck. He'd just unblock himself, and few people can desysop :o Redwolf24 (talk) 22:35, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Warning!

Warning! This page is 43 kilobytes long. This is longer than 30 KB. It is time to archive. I repeat: It is time to archive! The most recent discussions may be left alone, as long as the oldest topics (which account for at least 13 KB) are archived. Thank you and good night! -- ArchiveBot 05:00, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Done. Redwolf24 (talk) 22:35, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bmicomp's RfA

Well, my RfA is not quite over yet, but either way, I'd like to thank you for your vote and your support, regardless of the outcome. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 18:20, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, its pretty close ;) Redwolf24 (talk) 22:35, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Something I saw

User:Johnwilkesbooth, I saw that on your front page about him. I just don't understand why that username could be "offensive", he's just a person. If that's offensive then wouldn't that make any username after a person offensive. Just because he killed someone doesn't make it offensive. I have Fascist in my username and that's offensive to some people, but no one cares along with me. It's a political belief, and John Wilkes Booth is just a person. That's all I'm saying, I don't really have any reason to care, but I just think if someone wanted that name they should get that name. The Fascist Chicken 20:17, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

I blocked him for shooting Lincoln. If someone signs on with the screen name Bin Laden, I'll block him too. Redwolf24 (talk) 22:35, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

But he (meaning the person who has the username) didn't shoot Lincoln, and Bin Laden is just a person too. I hate what he did, but it's just a name, so people should be allowed to have it, its just censoring, maybe people believe what Bin Laden or Booth believed and they want to use their names to show it. I only think the one's that should be blocked are like "____isgay" or "_____isadirty**^*^&%%*^&*", not names, would someone with the username JesusChrist be offensive no, because you're a hypocrite, you can block some names that might be offensive but not all. So therefore none should be blocked. That's just what I think, I know you don't care, and that you don't care that I'm fighting with you about this. The Fascist Chicken 00:22, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Names like Hitler and Bin Laden and to a lesser extent, Johnwilkesbooth, are just intended to offend. When I see crap that's truly INTENDED to offend, I will block it. Redwolf24 (talk) 00:37, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

How do you know it is "crap that's truly INTENDED to offend"? Intended? That seems to me to be a rather blatant POV statement which ignores the assume-good-faith dictum! Hmmm. Moriori 07:45, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Exactly Moriori gets what I'm saying. See whoever that is is a genius. The Fascist Chicken 19:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Redwolf, I hope you will not block me for my user name. I mean, I killed plenty of people. Actually, I was wondering about that... is my user name out-of-line? Do you have any idea about copyright status of names? I would really hate to change my name, but don't want to be penalized for it either. Thanks for any help. --Lord Voldemort ^{(Dark Mark)} 19:41, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, he's right. And let's unblock Adolf Hitler, because someone may emulate them in good faith.

<unintentionally confirm Godwin's Razor>

and to you Lord Voldemort, I really doubt you'd be sued over an account name. Your name is fine, don't worry about it ;) Redwolf24 (talk) 22:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Android79's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA and for your kind comments. Although, I wish I "already was one" a few days early so I could have stopped some nasty vandalism from the get-go! :-) android79 22:26, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

You already are one I tell you. You're just trying to make a point ;) Redwolf24 (talk) 22:35, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] admin question

WHOA... I haven't talked to you in like... a whole day Red :).

Anyway... if you are an admin closing a VfD, can you disregard obviously ill-informed votes such as "this was mentioned on another article's talk page, therefore it is notable!!!!11" when making a decision, if do you have to take them all into account? Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 05:52, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

yes, as long as its not a sock or a user with >100 edits. Redwolf24 (talk) 22:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RfA

Redwolf, Please support my request for adminship:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/GordonWattsDotCom

Thx.--GordonWattsDotCom 14:47, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Harry Potter trolling

Hmmmm... I had counted 16-8; I didn't notice that one was unsigned and another anon. That makes 67% which is no consensus... if it's 16-6 it would make 72% which is still no consensus, or your count of 16-5, which is 76%, in my opinion still no consensus, but a very close no consensus. Normally I go for about 80%, especially when there's a large number of votes. My personal opinion is that this is a pretty silly article, and I'm hoping that someone with some time and knowledge quickly merges the article into a very small section of some other article, in which case this can become a redirect. But I'm just a janitor, trying my best to implement the (often unclear) will of the people. moink 16:27, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I hadn't noticed when I wrote this that someone later changed the decision. Well, whatever. We've always known that different admins would have different definitions of "consensus." Not a big deal. moink 16:36, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

One more quick comment. I just reread Wikipedia:Consensus to refresh myself on what it meant in practice. I had apparently missed this edit: [1] which changed the AfD definition from 80% to 67%, messing with my mathematical argument up there considerably. I guess there's no consensus on consensus. :) moink 16:58, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Ah. Don't worry about it though ;) Redwolf24 (talk) 22:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Hm, some miniwar seems to be evolving. Redwolf24 (talk) 02:09, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] block 3RR troll please

Please block this guy, 66.43.173.74 for his massive 3RR with POV insertions[2] to Ray Nagin article. All these long John Silver sockpuppets keep hitting the article every day. IP 209.x is the main sockpuppet.Voice of All (talk) 17:29, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

You said that three hours ago, while I was at school... so I won't block them as I'm sure they've either stopped or been blocked. Redwolf24 (talk) 22:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

The problem is that the only stop for a few hours, and then resume. They usually do it twice a day, and then start agian on the next day. This has been going on for days, these 3RR sockpuppets need to be blocked. I hate having to bother you over this kind of stuff, and that is why I will run for adminship on the 15th of October, as you suggested.Voice of All (talk) 02:45, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza

I hope you didn't miss any of my posts above. I thought I'd do it like this rather than a whole bunch of edits. I wanted to know if there was anything I could help with pertaining to Esperanza. Is there still a working charter somewhere? I would be more than willing to help out, but just need some guidance. Thanks Red. --Lord Voldemort ^{(Dark Mark)} 19:41, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I saw them all. And I don't really see anything for you to do... you can contact JCarriker to look for help. Redwolf24 (talk) 22:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Oz

Why do you say Portal:Oz is not active? I update the FA and DYK at least once a week, usually on different days, so it gets updated at least twice a week! --[[User:JonMoore|— —JonMoore 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 00:47, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

weird, I wrote that at least a week ago and just now you see it ;) Redwolf24 (talk) 00:48, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Coey

Dear sir! I do not see how http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/paper/gibbs.html and http://hei.unige.ch/sections/sp/courses/0405/daoudy/internationalrelations.html are links that would be taken off by you!

...What? I just deleted your vanity page... nothing having to do with links. Redwolf24 (talk) 01:35, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your revert on the Harry Potter AfD

I don't understand why you reverted. The close was no consensus merge, then some other guy just goes in, does an out-of-process speedy, and edits the close. This doesn't mean the debate "ended up" being closed as a delete, in fact it was completely out of process and opposed by at least two other sysops. I've already moved the post-close comment to the proper place, the discussion page for that AfD debate. Please revert your edit. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 02:05, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Two sysops opposing doesn't really matter... me and Splash support, so I guess it makes it even. Moink didn't know that the AfD consensus was normally 67%, he thought it was still 80%, as it was at one time. There was a 72% delete ratio, after we went over which votes were legit. Also look at Moink's comment on my talk page and the VfU. Redwolf24 (talk) 02:07, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] sound excerpts and copyright

Hi Redwolf

Do you know of any Wikipedian who can and is willing to provide advice about the use of sound excerpts on W from commercial recordings? In particular, I need to know how to tag excerpts from a commercial recording by a company that has granted permission for use in writing (e.g., at the top of Johann Sebastian Bach. I'd also like to know whether we can use short grabs from commercial recordings without seeking permission. If so, how short do they have to be?

This is an important issue for composer articles, which could be significantly improved with the judicious use of sound excerpts from commercial recordings.

Tony 02:30, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Try Essjay, Carnildo, or Gmr wnr. Redwolf24 (talk) 02:36, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

First: IANAA/TINLA.

Second: If you have permission, then upload the file and list the permission on the page. Make sure it isn't a "non-commerical use only" permission, as that isn't allowed. Make sure to maintain a copy of the written permission in case it is ever challenged. (Although, I don't know where you would send it if it were; if you're particularly paranoid, scan it in and upload the image, then link it to the sound file.) There may be a "used with permission" tag, if not, just put "Used with permission" on the sound page and specify the permission. (Again, no non-commercial only permissions.)

Third: I believe you can use short grabs (30 secs or less) without permission, but I could be wrong. Anyone else know?

Hope that helps. -- Essjay · Talk 02:43, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Four Wheels

What do you think about User:Four Wheels? --HappyCamper 02:40, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Check the logs and go to the new user log and look how long ago it was created. If it was in the past 4 hours, let it go. If it was more and he has 0 contribs, block. Redwolf24 (talk) 02:43, 14 September 2005 (UTC)