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A note about character descriptions (please do not archive for now)

In the past, several edits to the character descriptions have been reverted. Please keep in mind that the summaries here are meant to be very short (no more than 2-3 sentences per main character, and little more than a sentence per supporting characters) descriptions of a character's most important traits, usually personality traits. Specific plot details are better left to the List of characters in Red vs Blue or List of main characters in Red vs Blue. Other things that have been rejected are:

  • Other names for the Alien. Those are non-canonical. Just because Caboose calls a character a name doesn't mean that name is sanctioned (otherwise, Donut might as well be called Lieutenant McMuffin).
  • Armor colors. These are considered to be too much detail, and can be gleaned from the screenshots anyway.
  • Bit characters (characters who do not appear in more than one episode).

— TKD::Talk 06:52, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


Contents

[edit] Episodes

As far as episodes for RvB go, I noticed that they have been split into articles by season, which is great. However, I think that there should probably be a primary list of each and every episode. My proposal is: "List of Red vs. Blue episodes", which would be formatted like any other episode list; however it probably wouldn't include episode synopses since those are already included in the season articles. To see a perfect example of what I am describing, check out the episode list for The Simpsons (an FL).
What does everyone think? --Cliff smith 04:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. I'm not too keen on the idea. There a couple differences between Red vs. Blue and television series like The Simpsons:
  • The average episode length. The standard Red vs. Blue episode is somewhere between 4 and 7 minutes long; The Simpsons episodes are 22 minutes. This means that there is much more hope of an average individual Simpsons episode being able to sustain an article, which makes the overall list format more useful.
  • Red vs. Blue is a serial, whereas most comedy television series episodes are self-contained. (Yes, there are a few cliffhangers here and there, but, even so, the story only spans a few episodes atmost, not 80. A list of episode titles and release dates isn't going to mean a whole lot to very many people, including the Red vs. Blue fans who've seen every single one. People will remember story arcs, which generally span a few episodes. so they'll need to dig into the existing season articles to establish enough context. There are exceptions, but, if you can remember what happens in episode 48 as opposed to 47, I applaud your memory.
We already succinctly summarize the overall plot in six paragraphs in the main article, which should be enough to help a reader figure out what happens in which season. And then we blow that out in the individual season articles. With this, I'm not sure a separate list would be adding all that much. — TKD::Talk 05:26, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I see. It's not exactly something that is needed so much as just something that other series have—which is why I thought RvB could benefit from having it.
--Cliff smith 05:40, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
But where an article like List of The Simpsons episodes comes in handy, and it's main use, is as an index to quickly get to an individual episode article. They also have articles for each season, so it's actually fairly redundant, and a case I havn't seen for many TV shows. As we don't have or need individual articles for episodes, I think the way it is now is fine. Also, in episode 47 the teams arrived at Zanzibar and Tex introduced the bomb to blow up O'Malley, 48 involved Sarge's terrible plans and the attack on O'Malley's base, if memory serves right. -- Viewdrix 13:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I understand. Don't really need it. --Cliff smith 17:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vic Jr.

How about putting in Vic Jr. as an aside in Vic's description? Something like "He was replaced by his descendant Vic Jr. in season 4"? --OGoncho 08:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

"Replaced" isn't quite the word. Not really sure that he fits the threshhold yet. — TKD::Talk 10:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting up the RoosterTeeth template

I've made a proposal to redesign the growing {{RoosterTeeth}} template, splitting it into four small templates; see Template talk:RoosterTeeth#Splitting this template. Feedback is welcome. — TKD::Talk 06:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Equipment

Shouldn't the equipment in the various games used in the series be mentioned in a page? Such as the maps are. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Forlong (talk • contribs).

That could work, but it probably wouldn't be a very long article...it'd pretty much be just weapons, the Ghost, Banshee and teleporter. Dac 11:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I would say that it's not really necessary, at this point. Where the equipment used becomes notable (the teleporter, the sniper rifle), we can just note it in the existing articles. As for the maps, having seen that for a while, I'm almost thinking that it might be better condensed as prose in the production article. Some of the filming locations won't ever have more than a couple of sentences that you can say about them. — TKD::Talk 11:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe we could change the "maps" page into a "maps-and-equipment" page. That page seems quite thin anyway.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Forlong (talk • contribs) .
I don't think it could go on the maps page, even though it is a short one. Equiptment should be on it's own page, with a listing of what episodes, seasons, who, etc. it was used in. Maps is a completly different subject. Fortunia 05:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
EDIT: Could we put the weapons on the production page? Fortunia 03:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
It depends on the situation. If a weapon is a plot device (e.g., the energy sword), then it should be mentioned within the context of the plot. If it's important to production processes (e.g., the plasma grenades and the trouble that they went through for the "is it a spider?" scene), then it should be mentioned in that context. My point is that it doesn't really help to concoct a list of just the weapons because there wouldn't be as much context there. — TKD::Talk 04:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Varying resolutions

I did put some research into this when I first made the table, so I have no idea whether it really was someone anonymous who changed it, which led to TKD's variation. But I've now checked a few episodes from each season, and from what I can see, Seasons 1-4, Quicktime and DivX HiRes are always 720x480 pixels, Quicktime and DivX LoRes are always 360x240, HiRes WMV has always been since 640x480 pixels introduced, LoRes WMV has always been 320x240 since introduced. If anyone can find me any episodes with different ratios from seasons 1-4, I won't change it back. Mainly, I'm looking at TKD, since his "they seem to vary" edit comment implies he's seen it vary. -- Viewdrix 23:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Episode 36 low-res DivX is 320-by-240. And actually, if you want to get really technical, my copy of episode 31 high-res DivX is 656-by-480. Episode 36 high-res WMV is 720-by-480. Same for the BungieFest WMV. — TKD::Talk 06:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Voice actors

Should this article have a section describing the voice actors and their roles, such as that in The Simpsons article? raptor 00:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

We do have the list of voice actors under the picture of the main article, but it could be a little more discriptive. Those articles are like half pages; if we could get more information and edit the articles in a more professional way, it would be a lot better. Fortunia 05:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, keep in mind that there isn't going to be as much information available on these voice actors as there is on, say, Dan Castellaneta. That said, the production section could stand to go into more detail about the roles of the voice actors, improvisation, and so forth. — TKD::Talk 04:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Red vs Blue

Many videogames and boardgames and games in general involves two teams fighting, beinf one red and the other blue. Usually the player (or good) is blue and the computer (or the evil) is red. Should it really redirect to this specific title or should it have a stub saying this I said here with an 'This is about blah blah blah, for waffle waffle, see ___'? 200.230.213.152 03:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

That's usually a coincidence in colours. This one is actually something marketed under the official name Red vs Blue, so there's a considerable difference. Dac 04:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 3: Episode 41

To verify a theory I have, I need to know if there's someone frequenting this talk page who've played the FPS No One Lives Forever? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.232.114.123 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Transcipts, Scripts, etc

Is there any place where I can find what the characters said in each episode?--BigMac1212 21:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

http://rvb.roostertooths.com. Note roostertooths.com: it's a fan site. -- Viewdrix 23:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Seems somone messed up season 3 in the article. We better revise it. 67.175.234.75 23:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Seems someone did while I was going back for a good version of the article to sub in. Ended up reverting a good edit. Whoops. At least everything seems fine now. -- Viewdrix 02:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I reverted it to the last edit, my own, before the vandalism occurred. Dac 03:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 5: Episode 85 addition

However much I am a fan of unbridled profanity this is not very descriptive or professional: "Now Grif's siter has been given to the blues becuase of fucking slow witted Grif." 65.9.5.215 is a fucking idiot. --ProdigySportsman 01:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The description has been reworded. Even though Wikipedia is not censored, you are correct that, as a general rule, it is bad form (and unencyclopedic) to use vulgarity when the situation doesn't require it. — TKD::Talk 02:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RVB Wiki

Are there any plans for having a wiki for Red vs. Blue? I think it will be a wonderful website.--71.35.69.46 02:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

What's wrong with Wikipedia's coverage of Red vs. Blue? :) — TKD::Talk 23:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Video format changes

Although Viewdrix's changes are factually correct, we need to think about making sure that the change over from DivX to WMV is verifiable. This may involve citing old versions of pages, if they exist in the Wayback Machine on archive.org. — TKD::Talk 05:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed info about the change for the time being, while keeping the updated format info itself. If someone does find a way to cite the change, please feel free to add it back. Normally, I'd be a little less strict with information that I know to be true, but this is a featured article, and that information would be hard to verify. — TKD::Talk 05:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gears of War achievement connection

I would really, really like to include this information, but we need a reliable source (no fan sites, no forums or personal blogs) that makes the connection. The cited reference only states the name of the achievement and the what's required to get it.

The notability of Red vs Blue extends to other video games as well; in addition to many other references to pop culture, the developers of the Xbox 360 videogame Gears of War made a reference to a RvB episode with an achievement called "Is it a spider?" for grenade tagging.[1]

— TKD::Talk 05:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Would EMG count? I can dig out the old issue with GoW. Dåvid ƒuchs (talk • contribs) 20:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it would, if it makes the connection explicitly. Be sure to cite the issue and page number. — TKD::Talk 20:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I believe that fits the bill. Dåvid ƒuchs (talk • contribs) 22:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks; I'll probably fiddle with the citation fornat and wording a bit a little later, but at leasrt it's not going to be tagged with {{fact}} in the meantime. — TKD::Talk 04:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is Sister a significant supporting character?

I think that, given the fact that Junior, Tucker's baby who has only appeared in a handful of episodes, is on the list of significant supporting characters, that Sister should be included on the list as well, as she has appeared in seven plus episodes now. I just thought I'd point that out, not to be rude to anyone.

— Runner233::Talk 15:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Good point. I've removed Junior. For the moment I don't think either should be one there as they have yet to do much. Dac 20:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Sister isn't a supportring character, she is a main character. Although she hasnt been in many episodes, she is still a full part of the blue team... Timebender13 17:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Being a "full part" of one of the teams doesn't denote main character status. If it did, Tex would not be a main character as she isn't really on the Blue Team, she's just aiding them. Sister is a supporting character; she can't be in for 10 episodes or so and be labelled a main character. Doc, Andy, O'Malley, Lopez, the Alien and Sheila have all been in longer and had a larger impact on the plot thus far. If Sister is a "main character" then they all are as well. Especially Sheila, since technically she is also a "full part" of the Blue Team. However, those characters are supporting characters, and Sister is too. Dac 22:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Technically, Sister is a new recruit on the Blue team, just like Caboose was way back in the beginning, and would deserve a spot on the blue team roster. But on the other hand it comes down to the fact that she hasn't really had an impact overall, and should be given more time to flesh out. I'm sure she'll play a larger part in the future but for now I think that it would be better to just keep her in supporting characters. — Runner233::Talk 24:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Size warning

Just so that you guys know, this article has hit the >50 KB size warning, but there is a caveat: Almost 40% of our wikitext is composed of notes, references, and the like. My prose size calculator puts us at 29 KB, which is within the bounds of acceptable prose size. — TKD::Talk 08:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it is almost time to split the plot section into its own article as that section just will keep growing plus will take a good amount of refs with it. BJTalk 08:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Plot-only articles are discouraged, though, for good reason. My long-term thought was to take the season summaries that we have in this article and move them to the season articles as part of an overall summary, and then to leave a highly compressed overall summary in their place here. But I'm not sure that's possible without losing coherence or comprehensiveness of this article. So I'd prefer status quo for now; it's better to have a little too much here than to gut a section without a suitable replacement. Perhaps in the meantime we can work on a highly compressed summary to see whether it's feasible. Star Wars manages to compress the storyline of six movies into two very long paragraphs. We have, right now, almost five full-length movies, so, either way, we're going to need to have quite a bit here. It's definitely worth exploring our options, but let's not jump to anything right away. — TKD::Talk 08:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Another thing: Separating the plot section would not take a lot of references with it, because the plot is trivial to reference; I was doing it mostly for completeness. :) Most of the references are introduced in the later sections. — TKD::Talk 08:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Good points, I really have no experience with articles of this size or quality (editing). At the current rate we should be adding a sentence or two a week or so to the plot so it should be good for a while. BJTalk 08:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmm. I just checked Star Wars again. My eyes deceived me. It has four very long paragraphs for the plot for six movies. So I'm not sure that we can do much better than we're doing. — TKD::Talk 08:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Music

I do not see any mention in the article about the music used in the series. I picked up a CD of the soundtrack at the SDCC last year, and it's performed by a band (solo artist?) named Trocadaro, I believe. I don't know too much more about it, but it seems a pertinent subject to mention in the article if anyone wants to do a little detail on it. Elijya 08:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The article could possibly stand to make mention of it in the Production section, but Red vs. Blue production goes into more detail. Also see Trocadero (band). — TKD::Talk 08:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I just added a paragraph about non-dialogue audio to the Production section; that should cover it for this article. Further details could probably be added to the auxiliary article. — TKD::Talk 09:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Omalys where abouts?

Me and my friends say that shiela might not be the vessel of Omaly as she has been known to be rebelious but rather possibley dounught as his radio couldve been rendered useless by Omaly so he could use dounughts body without being forced out —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.167.100.23 (talk) 07:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

This isn't a discussion forum about the subject. This sort of speculation is not permitted in the article itself.--Drat (Talk) 07:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] O'Malley vs. Omega

Hey in watching the RVB episodes, i realised that somewhere along in the progress of the story we started swithing O'mally's name to omega, especially in the RVB Out of mind episodes. So i didn't see it in the article and i was wondering if we should include it, or if it is already included, or what to do with it. Any thoughts????

peace-Threewaysround 02:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

He was solely referred to as Omega in Out of Mind, so in that article, he was referred to as such. I believe Tex, Wyoming and maybe Sheila all refer to him as Omega, and everyone else calls him O'Malley. -- Viewdrix 03:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Tex sorta refers to him as both, but yeah, the majority of characters call him O'Malley, so let's stick with that. Dac 07:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiprojects

Hey i was considering joining the wikiproject machinima, but there was one small problem. I don't have much intrest in machinima beyond Red vs. Blue. should i join anyway, and has anyone thought of creating a red vs blue wikiproject. soo.. any thoughts????

peace out-Threewaysround 22:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm part of the project but Red vs. Blue is the only area I cover, so that shouldn't be an issue. Dac 23:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

sweet thanx i'll join now-Threewaysround 23:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, anyone is welcome to join, even if his/her interest is limited to a single piece or author. The hope is — eventually — to obtain breadth of coverage as well as depth, but if too many proverbial cooks (editors) spoiled the Wikipedia soup, then the encyclopedia would have been in massive trouble about, oh, three years ago. Welcome aboard! — TKD::Talk 22:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

ya i no what you mean, and thanx - Threewaysround 22:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] end of series episode 100??

hey i'm not sure but the whole thing with the series ending at episode 100, i'm a bit iffy on it. I mean it was posted on april fools day, and i just get a weird feeling about it. So maybe we should keep any stuff about it out till we have solid proof about it. Any thoughts?!?

peace out-Threewaysround 21:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I've seen the citation, which is normally sufficient, given the author. I could go either way on it... It's not a big deal if we cite it to Burnie, and it turns to be a joke; we then retract the "information". Still, there's no need to really rush to add it; Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball, after all. — TKD::Talk 22:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I've added it. If it turns out to be a joke, it can be moved down to Background, where all the other information about the length of the series is, with information added that it's an April Fools, if it's deemed notable. -- Viewdrix 23:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Burnie mentioned the thing in an update the day AFTER Fools Day. Seems real to me...

I'm not going to argue if it's real or not, but Burnie did post it on April Fools day, not the day after. I think you mis-read the post. JBK405 04:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Here's a note: Burnie has only explicitly said that the "Blood Gulch Chronicles" are ending, not "Red vs. Blue". There is a possibility to consider there. Dac 07:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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