Talk:Red Star Over China

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Most claims by Chang and Halliday have not been accepted by experts. I'm quite happy for their view to be included, but in its own section.

I changes the description of Snow to 'left-wing'; he was quite critical of Communism. I also fixed the link to 'Unknown Story', which was a dead end.

--GwydionM 17:22, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


That looks like a good arrangement; I should have thought of it myself.

I deleted the sentence saying that the book is out of print, as Amazon lists it as being in print. --cwh 15:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


I changed the pronoun 'it' in the first sentance of Criticisms to the book to make the sentance fit more smoothly.

--pwilczynski 00:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unknown VIRUS

That stupid unknown story book has wormed its way into every single article even remotely related to Mao or china. Theres more from Chang on this page than snow, the criticisms take up more than half the freaken page! A 2006 pop history book is triumphing over a 1935 classic! For God's sake its a extremely recent, incredibly biased book written as popular history and on George W. Bush's reading list. If ten years from now it becomes the main source on China's hsitory then wikipedia should follow suit but in the mean time wikipedia's entire China section needs substantially rewriting since it simply parrots Changs views. Chang's views belong in the unkbnown article not in every sing article about china!!!!--Gary123 01:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

There are lots of oddities concerning Chang & Halliday's book. It is full of obvious goofs, yet most reviewers praised it, using much the same terms, as if they had been copying from some handout. ('Free' media are commercial media, obviously.) The trouble someone went to shows that someone still fears Mao's legacy, and also that they can't get anyone clever to write a 'knocking' biography. Only an idiot attacks everything without the slightest explanation of how a man can get everything wrong apart from continuously succeeding. So don't let it get to you. --GwydionM 16:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the only "virus" is Gary, who is spamming talk pages with the same post..... John Smith's 17:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

spamming? I found this stupid virus at the rRed Star page so I posted my complaint. I had put up with this stupid virus spreading to every damn china article and didnt care but this was the last straw. Spamming is putting an ad for this stupid book in every China article. I posted it here and at the main article on the damn book to raise attention to this problem hardly spamming you neocon. Send my regards to the blue team.--Gary123 18:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I just want to draw attention to the fact that in retaliation for the discussion I raised here about the validity of Mao the unknown story as a source John Smith's has pursued a vindictive inqusition against all articles I have edited.

Please See The following pages for details

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:People%27s_Volunteer_Army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frank_Hogan

I would appreciate the assitance of any intrested parties.

--Gary123 23:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)