Talk:Red Panda

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I think this article is now good enough to be a featured article. How do we repetition? Valich 05:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Capitalizing Animal Names

Perhaps some sort of discussion should be held about this capitalization. Some suggestions: make it so article titles are not case sensitive! What good does it do that there could be one page on the "Red Panda" and one page on the "Red panda"? And, as far as it goes, it seems to me that it would spare a lot of agony if we simply capitalized all article titles as though they are, you know, titles. Capitalize all major words, don't capitalize prepositions and articles. That way there won't have to be arguments over these things. john 04:23 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Even if all titles are rendered in caps, for purposes of linking it's useful to distinguish them (see Blackberry and BlackBerry for an example).
In this case, we'd still have to argue over whether to capitalize them in running text -- the capitalisers argue for their position because it should be "Red Panda" everywhere in their opinion.

See Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (fauna) for more. (If you respond here, then I at least probably won't see it.) -- Toby Bartels 19:05 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Ursidae or Procyonidae?

Wilson and Reeder put the Red Panda in Ursidae. see here and here for their reasons. Dsmdgold 22:48, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

At the wikipedia, this page, and Procyonidae page has the red panda in ursidae. The ursidae page and the main mammal page places them in Procyonidae. It seems they are disowned by both pages. I'm going to have a go a bit of a sort out. dont change here without changing the other pages. Zeimusu

Curtis & Barnes in Invitation to Biology (Panamericana, 2003 edition) talks about the panda's question. According to these authors, latest studies on morphology, DNA-DNA Hybridation, protein comparison (by electrophoresis), inmunology and cromosome bands shows that giant panda is in fact a bear, but red panda isn't. This animal is more (but far) related to raccoons than bears. I think that the best idea is to place the red panda in its own family.

The Cladogram shown in the book:

  ,________________________________________ Dog - cat
__|
  |     ,__________________________________ Raccoon
  |     |
  |  ___|
  | |   |__________________________________ Red Panda
  |_| 
    |                      ,_______________ Giant Panda
    |______________________|
                           |    ,__________ Spectacled Bear
                           |____|
                                |  ,_______ Polar Bear
                                |__|
                                   |_______ Brown bear

--Menah the Great 17:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

It's very confusing. Most sources I've seen groups it with raccoons, but a fair few group it in it's own family. I've only seen it grouped with bears once before, in a rather unreliable source. Dora Nichov 14:25, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Current molecular-systematics places the Red Panda into its own family, Ailuridae. As you can see from the above cladigram, it's in its own clade. It's not an Ursidae or in the raccoon family. There are at least two separate and distinct subspecies, and possibly three: two in East Asia and Southeast Asia and one in India. The western Cat Bear or Red Panda (Ailurus fulgens fulgens) and the somewhat larger "Styans Cat Bear" (Ailurus fulgens styani). Valich 03:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I agree with Dora Nichov, that it's not relible source. I actually have two books stated about were the red panda should go. One said it's a type of long tail bear, while the other one said it;s a raccon, but may belong to a new family with the panda bear. I actually think the red panda should be a bear. User:4444hhhh

[edit] "Firefox" Name

"It is a common misconception that the common term "firefox" for the Red Panda arises from the Chinese word "hun ho." However, neither hon nor ho are syllables used in Mandarin Chinese."

The first part says "hun", which is a syllable used in Mandarin Chinese. And depending on the transliteration system used, "ho" could also be a syllable. I think what's important is that this information is more or less irrelevant to "hun ho" being the wrong term. BTW, since when is "hun ho" being used for "red panda" a common misconception? Most people are unaware of the existence of either.

Firefox webbrowser uses the Red Panda as its logo. There is also an ancient Chinese translation of the Red Panda as hǔo hú (火狐), which literally translates as "fire fox", referring to the Red Panda’s "fire-reddish" fur color: a name which can designate either the red fox or the Red Panda. Valich 03:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Some Chinese sources using 火狐 for the Red Panda:

Gaolingong Nature Reserve administration website [1] [2] [3] [4]

The term "fire fox" 火&#29392 for the Red Panda has been around for centuries in China due to its "fire-reddish" coat color and most recently popularized because the webbrowser Mozilla Firefox who uses the Red Panda as its logo in China. Apparently, in China, to many people the word now designates either the fire fox or the Red Panda. Valich 06:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extinction Status

The Red Panda is almost extinct in China because of housing development and illegal hunting. HoHung Min, a chinese mother said, "...We can't let this happen to our pandas...There are many other places to build homes, and their coats are not necessary, they are just wanted by many...If we don't do something, the entire population will die..." A construction worker who wishes to remain annonymous claims, "...If the pandas must be sacrificed, it is a small price to pay for good housing...What's more important, the animals, or us?..." Content from the red panda. Charles Matthews 07:54, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Unfortunately we have no reliable estimates on its population size but it is now listed as an "endangered species." Valich 06:15, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Taxonomy

The best statement about current the red panda's taxonomy and cladistics on wikipedia is in the Carnivora article. See also [5]. In summary, they're neither ursids nor procyonids, but are much closer to the latter, being in fact the basal member of the "musteloid" clade, which includes mustelids, raccoons, skunks red panda. (But is younger than the split from ursoids.) Alai 04:08, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Can someone tell me how these pictures are? RED PANDA LOOKING OUT[6] and RED PANDA CLIMBING[7] hi

[edit] Latin name

I am curious about translation of latin name "Ailurus fulgens" - "fire-colored cat". Fulgens means shining and aelurus was a literary designation for 'cat' in ancient Rome - more common word was 'feles' (perhaps Ailurus comes from greek 'ailouros'?). So could anyone fluent in latin or greek explain "fire-colored" in translated latin name? BGT

[edit] Jesus loves this little Animal?

Why does it say Jesus Loves this little Animal above the gallery and why can't I find it to remove it? At the least I feel a source is owed, no? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.255.41.117 (talk) 05:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

Never mind. I got rid of it.

[edit] Picture removed in Jesus edit?

I noticed that a cute picture I'd seen previously was missing, and traceds it to the Jesus Edit. Is there a reason that this picture wasn't restored afterwards?

Assuming that the contributor isn't lying about its status (something I've seen quite frequently), it's a cute picture, if a bit fuzzy.

Any rate, no big issue, but it is cute. --71.192.117.127 22:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

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