User talk:Rayis

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[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia!!!

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[edit] Help please!

Hi Rayis! I expanded this article some more. I would like to invite you to see the article again. I would like to invite you to see the parts on Iranian culture in particular. Thanks and all the best. Sina Kardar 15:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Yes the section on Ansar e hezbollah is too short. The reason is that I don't know much about them and I need to study a bit and find good sources. It would be great if you could help expanding it. Looking forward to your comments and edits in future! Take care. Sina Kardar 19:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Links Cyrus Cylinder

Dear Rayis, I have retried the links you reinserted, but get a blank page. Can you please check it? Jona Lendering 23:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Iranian Languages Template

Dear Rayis – Here is a copy a template for Iranian Languages Group – according to your wonderful idea. Regards Surena 07:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Khorasani Turkish language

Dear Rayis - please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khorasani Turkish language. Surena 20:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My view

See User_talk:Patchouli#My_viewpoint.--Patchouli 18:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Apology

Sorry Rayis - I tried to roll back a large rollback by "Mardavich", but instead killed your improvements. I'm trying to correct it. Sorry.Jona Lendering 14:07, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I hope it's better now. You've requested more evidence; I have put online on my website two contemporary texts by Nabonidus and inserted links to it. They were removed by Mardavich, who also removed your improvements and reinserted an erroneous summary. I think there is now a more or less adequate discussion of the modern propaganda aspect, and there are several links to modern literature. I hope you can agree.Jona Lendering 14:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jona's edits

Hi Jona, about this article I would like to point out a few things:

1- You are conducting your original research and putting it on Wikipedia. Please see Wikipedia:No original research. -Do it elsewhere.

I am sorry, I am not. I have decently put online sources: U.N. letters, ancient cuneiform tablets. What else do you need?

2- You are claiming your point of view Please see WP:NPOV -Accept other points of view.

I will, if there are arguments. It is plainly incorrect that the CC is a unique document, or that it deals with the return of people instead of gods.

3- You are claiming ownership of the article Please see Wikipedia:Ownership of articles -Let others edit.

No, I am not, but as things stand, I am the only one capable of actually reading the text. I am also the only one at present who is quoting recent publications, instead of old texts, based on pre-Schaudig editions. I am not claiming any privilege, but if people bring forward pre-Schaudig information, I feel to remove it.

I see you have rolled back to the pre-Schaudig info, but now I will not remove it; I can live with your remark that the pre-Schaudig info is contested (as it should be). Let's first see what the others do.Jona Lendering 17:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

You may be an expert, but your point of view is one, in over 6 billion humans, and this is Wikipedia "not a place to publish your own thoughts and analyses or to publish new information not heretofore published."

Dear Rayis: that's not the issue, I'd say. If 6 billion opinions are all based on Schaudig, you'd be right. But that's not the case. It is simply incorrect to base an article on outdated information. We must use the latest readings, based on Fragments A and B, based on Schaudig.

As to pre-Shah-claims that the CC is a human rights charter: you are right that the Shah did not create this out of the blue. Therefore, I left the Frye quote standing, and even accentuated it. But HIM is responsible for propagating this reading, see the UN document I quote.Jona Lendering 17:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear Rayis, just received your last remark. Let's agree to disagree - if Cyrus (or his exegetes) could be tolerant, so can we. Just improve the site as you see fit, but please note which info goes back to pre- and post-Schaudig's editions. Maybe we should leave the "contested information" tag until the others have given their opinion.Jona Lendering 18:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:your note

Daste shoma dard nakoneh. dastkari shahnameh ro ham didam. joz afsoos khordan che mishavad kard. be omide rooz haie behtar. Sina Kardar 20:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Persians

Hello Rayis. Yes, I was going to work on Persians next. I am finishing up with Pashtuns and then will get started with Persians as I am kind of on a theme of eastern Middle Eastern peoples lately. Well, probably I'll work Persians by using some of what is already there, but adding a lot more and removing anything that can't be proven etc. In the past, the articles I've worked on (with lots of help from my usual friends) such as Iranian peoples, Azerbaijani people and Pashtuns all have a similar look in terms of having a lot of references and some common questions regarding origins etc. The Persians I may treat a bit differently as the terminology seems to vary from a view similar to that of 'Arabs' (meaning anyone who speaks Persian) to groups that link themselves to the ancients (which is hard given the amount of time that separates modern people from ancient ones). At any rate, nothing will be put in that isn't referenced and verifiable. Probably the opening will be fixed and expanded a bit. The collage picture will have to go because it violates copyright laws (as we've found with Pashtuns now (trying to get that article back to FA status). We'll probably go with sections like history, origins, modern society, culture, institutions and women so some sections in the article should stay and others will change a bit. It'll be a lot of work and probably take weeks to complete. If you have any suggestions, then please let me know and any help you can give will be appreciated. Cheers. Tombseye 02:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Self-linking in a dispute

Yes, the user appears to be pushing his own original research, not to mention using Wikipedia as a platform to promote his website. I don't have time to handle it myself, but I recommend that you post something about this at WP:AN/I. Regards, Khoikhoi 07:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Azerbaijan page

The "Azerembassy source" you mention is just a host for a book by a highly respected Azerbaijani scholar of Talysh origin, academician Igrar Aliyev. Him being a major academician and director of the History Institute and all, and editor of that book that's hosted on that site -- Igrar Aliyev (ed.), “History of Azerbaijan”, Part IV “Azerbaijan in modern times”, Chapter XXIII, “Founding of Azerbaijan Democratic Republic”, sub-title: “Azerbaijan on international arena. Paris Peace Conference”, Baku: Elm Publishing House of the Azerbaijan Academy of Sciences, 1995 (in Russian) -- makes the source valid and acceptable. If not, I can take those pages and host them on my site, that would not change anything. Likewise, we can scan the original page as well in due time, if necessary. This source is not written by "Azerembassy", it is simply hosted there like many other articles. It is written by academician Igrar Aliyev, and cites archival documents, obviously some of them available only in Azerbaijan and in Azerbaijani. Likewise, we are discussing Azerbaijan here, hence, we cannot avoid Azerbaijani sources, and in light of using for example Iranian scholars, Armenian scholars, Russian scholars, we thus definitely cannot ignore Azerbaijani scholars that write about their own nation. --AdilBaguirov 18:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Remind

Remind me what I did. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Orthologist (talk • contribs) 21:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

I just reverted it to the latest version, as it had been blanked. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Orthologist (talk • contribs).

Alright, excuse me, I pressed the Refresh button a lot of times and thought it had been blanked for good; i didn't know it was you.--Orthologist 21:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC) It's alright now, I reverted it.--Orthologist 21:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding edits made to Nazanin Fatehi

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Heyfehnoon, I added 6 different links and rewrote the introduction - the petition.com stuff were there before. --Rayis 00:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Salam

After working on History or religious fundamentalism in Iran etc, I am back to science and art again! Would you please see my new works on Abbas Kiarostami? Any ideas or comments on the structure of article? Any mistakes or shortcommings? Thanks for your time and take care. Sangak 21:32, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Surprised? Not me

1. According to the Iranian Kurdistan article, "Kurds form the majority of the population of this region with an estimated population of 4 million." The number given in the Kurdish people article is a range, so it's not that big of an issue. Most Kurds in Iran live in Iranian Kurdistan anyways.
2. Kurds are scattered in Iran, but they mostly live in Iranian Kurdistan. The ones living in cities like Isfahan are recent immigrants.
3. Similarly, many Kurds live in western Turkey, but most of them live in Turkish Kurdistan.
4. Kurdistan is considered the homeland of Kurds. It makes sense to have Kurdistan first in the infobox, and then have the diaspora afterwards. See Assyrian people for an example.

Perhaps as a compromise, we can change the numbers to only include the number of Kurds in Iranian Kurdistan, and then give numbers of Kurds living in other parts of Iran? What do you think? Khoikhoi 03:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] message

Please don't move my comments up and down, add yours in the correct place to show how the discussion progresses. Try to avoid editing another editor's comments unless absolutely necessary Wikipedia:Etiquette --Rayis 13:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Rayis; Sorry, it was accidental not intentional. Kiumars Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kiumars"

[edit] Persianate society

Your revert of my copy-editing, wikification, and bringing of the lead into line with the manual of style, was not acceptable. Your edit summary was also unrelated to your edit. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 13:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kiarostami

Salam

It would be very helpful if you could comment on Abbas Kiarostami. Then I can improve the article further. Ba sepaas. Sangak 22:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support on Kiarostami FAC. Take care. Sangak ^Talk 12:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Persian transliteration

Salam!

Please see [1]. We need to change the WP:MoS for Persian transliteration. MoS forces us to use Arabic transliteration for Persian words. It makes no sense. Please see the problem I have now on transliteration of Kiarostami. [2]

Let's make a guideline: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Persian) / WP:MOS-PE. ANy idea? I copy/pasted the Arabic guideline to my user page. let's work here first and then propose it. User:Sangak/Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Persian)

Sangak 13:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

agree with you. I actually posted a request[3] and a team of copyeditors (User:RedPen for example) are working on it now. Thanks. Sangak 19:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Pre contemporary Persian literature is actually quite good. The modern section is a mess. User:ZereshK and I (and I think Amir84 etc) spent a long time on it over the last two years. I think it needs a serious copyediting and shortenning preferably by English native speakers. I also added a lot of info about literature in modern Afghanistan and Tajikistan. We will discuss it more in the wikiproject :-) take care and thanks for your support on Kiarostami. Sangak 19:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tabarian New Year

please don't remove information of tabarian people, that discuss is not related to this article, nor tabarian have the same calendar, Why you removed those information ? Please improve articles instead of removing the information --Ali 15:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Dear Rayis, i know, i know all (or most of the laws of here) And also my country, 1st i never delevop separatism, i am really sorry for some people that doed such vandalazations in mzn.wikipedia.org, they unfortunately verify that persian are who they are! I also got the permission from here [4] A govermental organization which protects pages from filtring by mistake, Do you live in iran? we can schedule a time, to showing you the facts and those such books, they even have ISBN, Also i have another question from you, Why you consider my cultural works as works having political background ? Please discuss them just by me, Using different usernames is not permitted here, Please note that Since lack of books in the english, you can not consider what you may want, I read too many of the books and i can provide too many persian books which talked about tabarian culture, I also have plan to associating with Mazandaran cultural heritage organization, To publishing and broadcasting many of information in english, deutsch, frenchais, and sevenska, Thank you for your care, but we can find a solution via discuss and not by insulting or conflict --Ali 15:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Province & people

Hi. I see the good amount of work you have been doing with articles about Mazandaran & its people. What do you suggest for Lurs? If you go to Lorestan#People and culture, there is some information, but the main article is listed as Lurs. Yet at Lurs, the main article is listed at Lorestan#People and culture, and there is less information. Perhaps a merge is appropriate for this situation as well. Tell me what you think. The Behnam 01:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kurdish celebration of Newroz

I am a bit concerned about this article and I saw that you nominated it to be deleted. I think much of the data is a copy of the Norouz article, and the main part of the article is basically the problems in Turkey which I don't think justifies existence of it. This came to my attention after another user created yet another Norouz article about how they celebrate it in Mazandaran and said well, if Kurds have their own page, why can't we?! I would love to know your thoughts --Rayis 14:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I also feel the page proves to be mostly redundant. It is perhaps preferable not to have tens of articles explaining the same material. That particular article may be nominated for deletion later on. I am not very knowledgeable on the topic about the holiday itself. --Cat out 14:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nationalists

Thanks for the suggestion! I'll creat that category too, though there might not be a clear definition who we should call a nationalist. Siba 03:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Email

Doroud & Done!Shervink 15:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)shervink

[edit] My mistake

Yes, I accidentally used the npa1 template, which has a welcome in it. I should have used npa2, and this has now been corrected. Anyway, try not to violate civility by such inflammatory characterizations of other editors as you did at the page, thanks. The Behnam 23:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The new warning I put up was fine; warnings are supposed to be issued using those templates. I'm going to reinstate it; usually the user who issued the warning will remove it if a proper explanation is provided as to why the warning was placed wrongly. So please don't remove that message; I will remove it for you if you can explain how I am wrong, but so far it looks like clear-cut trolling. The Behnam 23:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't need the template, I am familiar with the concept, thanks :) --Rayis 23:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The use of the template is also for purposes of documentation; aka to document repeated violations in case some greater action is taken in the future. There sometimes needs to be evidence that the stepped warnings were issued. The Behnam 23:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure but I will only have to put the same template on your talk page whether you agree with it or not --Rayis 23:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Obviously I would contest it. If you refused to remove without reason I would then seek another authority to settle the dispute. Matter of fact I would like it if you at least showed me which comments were supposedly trolling. The Behnam 23:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Feeding the troll

Regardless of whatever unspecified edits of mine were trolling, the reason I made the initial edit was to remove your trolling without further incident. I had seen that done with other trolling situations and felt it entirely appropriate for that instance. For some reason you reinstated it; don't you realize that just your last part was enough? The part I removed was just an uncivil characterization of me that could only be inflammatory; the removal was definitely justified. Perhaps you should re-remove it? I thought you would see that it was rather trollish upon me removing it. Thanks. The Behnam 23:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

You know, I'll drop this whole issue if you simply remove the offending remark yourself. The Behnam 23:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

More clarification: It would have been "feeding the troll" if I responded to your unfair & uncivil characterization instead of simply removing the offending sentence. The Behnam 00:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Thank you for all the effort you put to maintain and improve Iran-Related articles. Arad 02:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Artaxerex

Done. Khoikhoi 03:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Iranian Languages Table

Not sure what you mean by template, but the table is riddled with errors, so it had to be set to a mode where people knew how to edit it. That is why all the html. Azalea_pomp

[edit] Thanks

No one could figure out how to edit the template. lol azalea_pomp

[edit] Hehe

Doroud bar shoma! Yeah it's cold, considering Norouz is coming. I hate to see snow when Norouz comes. But anyway, we have snow on the ground until mid-April. Right now it's -10C + wind makes it colder. We had a snow storm last week, now all I can see is snow. I remember when I was a kid in Iran, I loved snow so much, I couldn't be happier when it snowed. Here I hate it the most. It's not snow we have, it's small pieces of Ice. (Impossible to make a snowman) :-( It's a good country though. Hope I haven't took too much of your time. Have a nice day! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arad (talk • contribs) 14:13, 10 March 2007.

[edit] Fereydoun Farokhzad

Do have any reliable information about this guy? I recently encountered the article, which of course was rubbish. I cleared it up, but he seems to have had a much wider 'musician' role in the past. I just couldn't find that many reliable sources, especially on his death. It isn't clear how they tracked it to IRI agents; from what I see right now it appears to just be suspicion. As usual, most of the information talking about his death are from unreliable fringe opposition blogs that have no chance of reporting anything objectively or with proper fact-checking. However, I suspect you may know more about these, so if you don't mind please give it a look and add some real information to it if possible. Thanks. The Behnam 19:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, I think that his name is spelled wrong in the article. The Behnam 19:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know what you mean. It is very hard to find reliable information about opposition figures and related things. I'm currently digging through HRW's website to find their opinion on the 1988 incident. What is particularly frustrating is that there aren't even many reliable books on these matters. Too many special interests I guess. In any case, thanks for whatever help you can give these articles. The Behnam 20:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Monodactylus Argenteus

these fishes are found in the ARABIAN side of the ARABIAN gulf "in oman and UAE". you cannot find these fishes in northern ARABIAN gulf. so, dont be racest and do NOT change the ARABIAN GULF word in the article!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.150.120.84 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 13 March 2007.

Interesting, so we have the Oman sea connecting the Arab Gulf to the Arab sea, perhaps you would like to Arabise our language too? Oh wait a minute, you already have. Anything else? --Rayis 11:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah!! your language is totally written by arabic alphabet, your religion is arabic, your republic, your names (Ali Khamenai, Ahmadi Nejad, Muhammed Khatami) even your flag have arabic words "Allah o akbar" not "khoda is great" or whatever!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.150.120.112 (talk) 17:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

Haha where did you learn Persian? --Rayis 18:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The arab comedian was too funny to ignore. I thought the word for great in Persian was "Bozorg"..."Great" sounds like English to me :-) Mehrshad123 22:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Who said I speak a stupid language?!

I dont care if great in Persian is "Bozrog" or "Shitrog" because i didnt say that I speak it, I was talking about the Arab influence in the fake Persian culture. Also, I dont speak to smart people like you Mehrshad because it seems funny that you're guessing that I speak a stupid language. Waiting for USA to kickass stupid Persia, then believe me I will laugh at your mama when she beg us "like a comedian" to give her food ;D —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.150.120.43 (talk) 03:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

You are right, we are the racists. I see it much more clearly now :) --Rayis 10:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The merge

Hey Rayis, I'm not sure what you think about the merge issue. I think, especially now, that the kurdish page is fully referenced, and is (in my mind) NPOV that there is no point merging because it would add too much info to the general Norouz page. Regards, -- Jeff3000 04:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I commented on the page. It's unfortunate that Heja has placed me by his side, because for the most part I completely disagree with his editing on that page, as it is not NPOV. I'll try to keep things sane, though I won't be on the computer tomorrow. Regards, (and thanks for being so understanding) -- Jeff3000 06:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quick response to vandalism

Doroud & Thanks for your quick response to the vadalism on the Reza Shah Pahlavi article by "Artaxerxes", "Faranbazu" and other sockpuppets. You were correct that I had clearly entered a discussion piece prior to removing damages done by the vandal, contrary to accusations from the vandal/sockpuppet. Mehrshad123 18:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

FYI if you have evidence to provide on anti-Pahlavi sockpuppetry instigated by "Artaxerex": [5] Mehrshad123 22:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Salam

Please take a look at History of fundamentalist Islam in Iran. I am happy that the article attracted a few critical editors. The more people take part the less chance will be for POV. I hope people with different background edit this article. Thanks and take care. Sina Kardar 14:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Let's Start a Positive contribution based on facts

Dear Rayis, I have noticed that you, Mehrshad and Shervink have filled evidence for sock puppet against me. This is o.k., and I wish you success. However, may I ask you respectfully to provide reference and citations for your contributions. I also want to edit some of lopesided text about his modernization programs. Of course, all based on well cited evidence. I am also concerned about lack of any references to his human right abuses, and his corruption. I do not want to go through long edit wars. So I thought I'll discuss this with you beforehand and seek your advice to see what would be agreeable to you. cheers Faranbazu 18:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Reza Shah

Ah, great. I'm glad you started up a page for that, it's actually been locked locked from editing longer than Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Well, right now, The Behnam is proposing it for speedy deletion, but I'm trying to reason with him to keep it up. It's really the best version to start with, as from it, we can slowly add in all of the other information needs to be there. ♠ SG →Talk 15:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Martyrs

Indeed. Right or wrong, that is an Islamic POV and probably is not necessary to the timeline. The Behnam 10:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your Efforts

Rayis, Thank you for donating your time [[6]] in helping us expose the troll User:Faranbazu and having him and his sockpuppets and meatpuppets banned! I am hoping the Reza Shah article will be unlocked soon so that the months of vandalism can be removed promptly. Mehrshad123 20:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Definition of Police

It's not important what BBC says when it's not officially police force. As defined in Police article, Police are agents or agencies empowered to use force and other forms of coercion and legal means to effect public and social order. The term is most commonly associated with police departments of a state that are authorized to exercise the police power of that state within a defined legal or territorial area of responsibility. Please go there and change the definition. Bebin har vaqt tunesti unha ra qane koni ke gruh haye feshar ejtemaee va niruhaye shebhe dolati ra ham mishe police khand man kolle harfhayam ra pas migiram. Boro beheshun bego chon BBC ya x va y be in gruhha migan police behtare ke tarife police shamel niruhaye qeyrdoliti ke tamin nazm ejtemaee ra bar ohde darand beshavad. Agar unha paziroftand man ham mipaziram. --Sa.vakilian(t-c) 03:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thmeline

ببین مجبورم کردی فارسی برایت توضیح بدهم.

آقا روزشمار یعنی نوشته ای که به بیان وقایع بر اساس روند تاریخی آنها می پردازد. [7]

در یک روزشمار فقط حوادث و زمان وقوع آنها به طور روشن و دقیق ذکر می شود. علت ها و آثار وقایع در روزشمار نمی آید. این نه به نفع من است و نه شما. در اون روزشمار هم کلی اتفاق دیگر هست نظیر ترور مطهری، پیشینه سازمان مجاهدین خلق و غیره که من دوست دارم روشن شود. اما چون متوجه هستم که آن متن یک روز شمار است و یک مقاله فرعی از مقاله انقلاب ایران به شمار می رود لزومی برای افزودن هیچ توضیح اضافه به آن حوادث نمی بینم. فرض بر این است که هر خواننده ای مه بر سراغ یک روزشمار آمد می داند که روزشمار چیست. به علاوه در بالای آن مقاله به روشنی و صراحت بیان شده که برای مشاهده حوادث قبلی و بعدی و توضیحات بیشتر به کدام مقالات باید رجوع شود. همین طور در نظر داشته باش که ویکی پدیا یک هایپرتکست است و خوانندگان اگر توضیح اضافه نیاز داشتند می توانند با یک کلیک به مقاله های دیگر بروند.

متأسفانه پیشنهاد شما فقط مربوط به آن یک بند نمی شود. یعنی یا ما نباید هیچ جایی دلایل را بنویسیم یا باید همه جا دلایل را بنویسیم. آن وقت روزشمار تبدیل به مقاله انقلاب ایران می شود و همه به ما می خندند.

درخصوص شروع مقاله از آن تاریخ هم ظاهرا توافق بین تاریخ نویسان وجود دارد که انقلاب با این اتفاق شروع می شود. حالا اگر شما دوست داری از تاریخ دیگری بحث را شروع کنیم می توانی در صفحه بحث مقاله مزبور پیشنهاد بدهی تا دیگر ویکی نویسان در موردش نظر دهند.

نکته آخر اگر به خاطر فقدان بیان دلایل هزار بار روی مقاله برچسب بزنی من هم هزار بار آن را بر میدارم. مطمئن باش از شما هم سمج تر هستم. بهترین راهی که می توانم پیشنهاد کنم این است که به مقاله انقلاب ایران بروی و دیدگاه مورد نظرت را با ادله روشن بیان کنی. مطمئن باش هر کس که به روزشمار سربزند قطعا به مقاله اصلی هم سر خواهد زد.

--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 04:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

My comment is not threatening. Please go and show to whoever know Persian. I'm ready to use any Wikipedia:Dispute resolution which you'd like.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 13:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Careful

Please be careful when using 'rvv' in the edit summary. Some of the edits you undid here [8] shouldn't have been called vandalism. Thanks. The Behnam 18:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)