Talk:Raylene

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[edit] Links

Okay... let's talk over the three links in this article.

1. The first link is an AVN article about her. AVN is the trade magazine for the adult industry, and as such links to there are the same as links to articles on the New York Times and such.

2. The Luke Ford link. Yes, it's a blog, but Luke has been observing and commenting on the adult industry since 1997, and is one of the most visible people on the Net in that regards.

3. The last link is to the webpage for her current business, which is covered by rule #2 of what should be allowed: "Articles about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to the official site if there is one."

Your response? Tabercil 02:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• Uppity-date. I've turned the first link (the AVN article) into a reference. Tabercil 02:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided. Two of the links were promoting a real estate business, and the other is a blog. In addition, none of them meet the requirements of Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and so should not be used as sources. Please find independent reliable sources that support all of the statements in the article. -- Donald Albury 11:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Tabercil. Adult Video News is the industry trade paper, and as such, while I wouldn't go as far as to compare it to the NYT, it is as reliable a source as there is in the industry. Luke Ford is similarly a noted journalist for the porn industry, and his articles are reliable, curiously enough, due to the fact that he gets sued for them when they aren't - see his article here. Also note the "multiple independent confirmation is one good guideline to reliability, if several sources have independently checked a fact or assertion, then it is more reliable than one which is not checked." section of WP:RS, which is met here - 3 unconnected sources. Finally, Tabercil's observation about the official site in WP:EL is absolutely correct. The official site for something is almost always going to be a commercial, promotional link, that is not avoidable. That goes for everything from a real estate agency to GE and Microsoft. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 16:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Both links that I removed from the article were oerwhelmingly about her real estate business. She is famous as a porn star, not as a real estate agent, and I saw both sites as promoting a commercial establishment that is peripheral, at best, to her article. -- Donald Albury 01:55, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me; one ref is to her RE page - official page per WP:EL - another is an important citation that it is her - and a third is an unrelated article about her, not about her business. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 22:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Dalbury asked for another opinion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#Seeking a third opinion. So far it seems the site links are OK, but both in the references section and the external links section is too much. Seems reasonable to only have one. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 14:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)