Talk:Ray Nagin/Archive 2

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Revert Warrior 209.247.x.x and 138.162.0.x

A user calling himself Long John Silver has been persistently reverting (at least 50 times) to a personal version of this article that contains uncited, highly POV claims that clearly violate WP:NPOV. he has also repeatedly violated WP:NPA calling other editors liars and Nazis. His edits usually have deceptive descriptions, this edit described as 'correcting spelling and grammer[sic]' actually replaces the entire article with his personal version: [1]

The user has also deleted this note.

The user is behind a NAT and the address frequently changes. The same IP address range has also posted racist grafiti on the Martin Luther King [2] and Danny Glover [3] articles and homophobic bigotry ("RectumReaper is a total flamer.") on the Fucked Company article[4]. He has also made subtle redirect edits to turn redirect pages such as First responder into a personal platform for POV wingnuttery [5]. There is no reason why an article on first responders should mention a current news event at all, let alone contain partisan criticism.

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  • 209.247.222.92/28
  • 12.74.187.122

If the section 'Dueling Criticism' reappears in the article it has been reverted to the highly POV version. Rather than attempting to eliminate the POV in that article please revert to the mainstream version of the article that has been created by the named editors.

One point to watch, some editors have attempted to revert a POV edit by one IP address and reverted to another earlier copy of the text. LJS has then tagged his later reversions as being a revert to that editor's text 'Reverting to better version of this article by HallMonitor' even though HallMonitor did not wirte that text and in fact reverted immediately afterwards.

One side effect of this vandalism is that criticism of Nagin is ending up being stripped out as editors attempt to revert the highly POV statements. --Gorgonzilla 14:38, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. Check your watch Gorgonzilla and then revert the page to that time when it is convenient. The Wiki guidelines suggest that these folks feed on reverts for their ego "I'm in control of the world..." So I dont want you to be wasting your time on endless reverts. Perhaps for the moment, content editing should hold back and gel, until this storm blows over. Otherwise, if its 50 times, get a temporary edit hold on the article.Kyle Andrew Brown 17:04, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
My own edits reporting comments critical of Nagin have been stripped out in the process. I agree with your analysis though. The article should be reverted to the non-POV version and locked. Discussion on the ongoing Hurricane Katrina issue should take place in that article and the article on the political fallout. This article should not be used as a place to dump POV theories. --Gorgonzilla 17:27, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism in Progress

Deleted personal attack. I am not LJS nor have I ever posted rasist ramblings. I post from an IP assigned to many many users. Gorgonzilla's continued vandalism and personal attacks are not only a reflection on his intellect, they are a reflection upon his character. -- HazeGray 138.162.0.42 15:29, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Well perhaps if you can pursuade the vandal to stop doing this then you might not end up blocked. However deleting the vandalism notice and the wording of your comment indicates that it is most likely that you are the same person as 'Long John Silver' 'Honest Abe' and 'Swamp Fox'. --Gorgonzilla 16:58, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

6 Reverts in 13 hours by 66.43.173.74 / 9 reverts in 24 hours

The latest sockpuppet of Long John Silver/Honest Abe/Swamp Foxx/New IP/etc has reverted 6 times in the past 13 hours under his 66.43.173.74 alias. I suggest we get an admin to 1) block the accounts, 2) lock the article. --Gorgonzilla 14:24, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

  1. (cur) (last) 10:15, 13 September 2005 Gorgonzilla (Revert, 3rd LJS revert today.)
  2. (cur) (last) 09:49, 13 September 2005 66.43.173.74 (rv Gorgonzilla's attempt to conceal his blatant POV and any warning of the poorly written content here.)
  3. (cur) (last) 09:30, 13 September 2005 Gorgonzilla (rv latest LJS sock)
  4. (cur) (last) 09:18, 13 September 2005 66.43.173.74 (Clarified where criticism of Nagin was coming from.)
  5. (cur) (last) 08:59, 13 September 2005 66.43.173.74 (Text from an Official state document is anything but *my* POV)
  6. (cur) (last) 01:58, 13 September 2005 Aquillion (Reverted edits by 66.43.173.74 to last version by Gorgonzilla)
  7. (cur) (last) 01:41, 13 September 2005 66.43.173.74 (I have no idea who LJS is. Gorgozilla, reading through your comments you sound obsessed with this guy or worse. STOP THE VANDALISM.)
  8. (cur) (last) 01:33, 13 September 2005 66.43.173.74 (→Criticism of Relief Efforts - Defining the Mayor's responsibility under the evacuation plan.)
  9. (cur) (last) 22:33, 12 September 2005 Gorgonzilla m (Revert, the only person asserting POV is LJS)
  10. (cur) (last) 21:42, 12 September 2005 Antandrus m (Reverted edits by 24.115.4.245 to last version by 66.43.173.74)
  11. (cur) (last) 21:41, 12 September 2005 24.115.4.245
  12. (cur) (last) 21:33, 12 September 2005 66.43.173.74 (Clarified the objections that should have been obvious to the most casual observer and reverted to version with warnings that attemps to clean this thing up.)
  13. (cur) (last) 21:20, 12 September 2005 El C m (Reverted edits by 66.43.173.74 to last version by Aquillion)
  14. (cur) (last) 21:09, 12 September 2005 66.43.173.74 (Your vandalism will be reported on your next revert. This article sucks. It needs repair. I've seen several people try. Read the discussion.)

Long John Silver is BLOCKED

So now we know why the latest LJS sock has been denying who he is...

  • Block log 22:52, 12 September 2005 Essjay blocked "User:209.247.222.89" with an expiry time of 24 hours (Vandalism)

I have filed a 3RR complaint for the new sock [6]

added to Gorgonzilla's complaint a bit, describing LJS's last three reverts, and his refusal to accept any opinion but his own. Also made reference to his LYINGabout reporting other users as sockpuppets of Gorgonzilla in his article edit descriptions and generally taking everyone's criticisms of his edits and throwing them back. Sorry LJS, but what you're doing constitutes vandalism, and the reverting done by editors is called CONSENSUS. It has been agreed upon that many of the claims you make are unsubstantiated, unsourced or taken out of context, and frankly speaking, riddled with spelling errors and unfortunate phrases. --Jentizzle 23:18, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Technically none of that matters for the 3rr; all that matters is three reverts within a 24-hour period. Stuff like people ignoring consensus and disputes that can't be resolved could be placed in a RfC or some other part of the dispute resolution process. It might be time for that now. Reporting people for the 3rr isn't going to serve as a long-term solution; the dispute resolution process might. Aquillion 00:00, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Under the 3RR someone should be blocked for 24 hours, LJS is meant to blocked already but still does 11 reverts in 24 hours, nothing at all happens. I think it calls into question the idea that Wikipedia can police itself. --Gorgonzilla 00:58, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

The new LJS Sock is blocked:

   * 22:18, 14 September 2005 Khaosworks blocked "User:66.43.173.74" with an expiry time of 24 hours (3RR violation on Ray Nagin)
   * 22:18, 14 September 2005 Drini blocked "User:66.43.173.74" with an expiry time of 24 hours (3RR)

Suggest that if he returns under a new sock that an RfC be filed as well as whatever 3RR etc reports might be relevant.

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