Talk:Ray Mears (author)
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this is not an encyclopedia article - its an advert.
- Then try making a contribution and improve it.
Mr. Mears sounds like an impressive and successful person, but I have to agree, this does sound a lot like advertising and possibly should be removed until it is improved. It also sounds like it was written by Mr. Mears, his agent or one the "cult followers" the article mentions.
Advertising "Having also endorsed a number of products, including the Eco Sleep System and the Woodlore Knife"
Sounds like meaningless, opinionated crap to me "In a world market in which many do not survive, Mears definitely has." So he survived as a TV personality and an entrepreneur? Maybe he survived in part by being paid to endorse products.
Jim 12:47, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Is the article about Ray Mears or his products, TV show and it's episode summaries?
What does the following sentence really mean:
- "Having also endorsed a number of products, including the Eco Sleep System and the Woodlore Knife, Mears has made public advocacy for ecologically sustainable consciousness and practicable behaviour a little more profitable."
That his endorsing products has made being an advocate more profitable for himself? Which seems to imply that he finds advocacy more profitable now that he's being paid to endorse the products. I doubt this is true and I don't think Mr. Mears would appreciate the implications.
I'm not criticizing Mr. Mears, I'm just not too fond of the article. Sounds a little like some marketing/promotional/advertising hack was assigned to write an article for publicity sake.
As usual, perhaps I'm wrong.
--Jim 20:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok, so I'm a little slow, I finally followed the link for the Episodes and I see it goes to his or someone's store where they're trying to get you to buy the DVD's of Ray's show.
Can you imagine running onto an article like this in a reputable encyclopedia?
--Jim 20:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I've removed the commercial links, and the wierd paragraph about him "surviving" in a world market (I don't remember him doing a show on that), but I've left the episode summaries, which seem to be quite common on wikipedia (alas). I hope this satisfies the POV objection. --BadSeed 22:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I went to cut the episode listings to a separate page, but it looks like most/all of it was copied from here. Is it worth re-writing, or just cutting it and making this page a proper biography style thing? --ImmortalWombat 13:59, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
There is no need for an episode summary of each episode on this page, this page should be about Ray Mears not about advertising his products.
- Respectfully disagree. The programs he has presented aren't his products, they're the property of the BBC. He is the author of them certainly, and given the wide range of cultures he's covered an episode guide would be an invaluable source, particularly where a reader might have an interest in one particular culture or part of that culture and no interest in any other part of any of his programs. If your suggestion is to be consistently applied then any list for any other author should be deleted. Not sure the Dickens or Shakespear crowd might agree. PhilipPage 02:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
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- On second thought, the list is long enough and detailed enough to support a separate article on the television show (something like Ray Mears’ Extreme Survival). Would you be willing to right an introductory section for it? I don't know enough about the subject to do it myself. --TantalumTelluride 21:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I'd be happier editing down the episode guide. It is a bit longwinded, and only really needs to feature the most basic details. The Mear's quotes seem ripe for deletion. PhilipPage 21:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm aiming at getting all the descriptions down to a size similar to the series three descriptions, so one or two sentences but still covering the content.PhilipPage 21:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] New non-commercial version
Looking at editing down episode descriptions as described above, and adding a couple hundred of words for the biography. Hope this is agreeable. PhilipPage 21:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC) Hacked down episode guide, biog still to do. PhilipPage 22:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC) I've approached Mear's company for further biog detail, am currently explaining to them the difference between lifting text from their website and an entry in an encyclopedia. PhilipPage 21:35, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Woodlore aren't interested in supplying any further biographic info. Not sure if such a short bio warrants such detail on the TV series as a result. Comments anyone? PhilipPage 20:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- I would say go for it. The argument has already been made for the validity of the TV series. Tyrenius 00:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Military background?
Anyone know if Ray has any military background? I'm certain he has but need citation.
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- I doubt it, he doesn't seem to be the type. 88.111.189.44 14:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Yes he has which is why he likes to keep mum about biographic details.
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[edit] Lack of depth
There isn't enough information about the man's background/early life. It only seems to concentrate on his television career and not on the other aspects of his existence such as the £1000 a week courses run in his name in East Sussex or the £4-5000 a week survial courses in the artic.
[edit] hy!
I am a teen from Romania and I love very much Ray Mears's TV shows.I like to know how can i buy some movie with his experiences?Sorry about the gramarry mistakes if there are some...
[edit] Relevance?
Not convinced his remarks regarding Steve Irwins death are necessarily relevant. Given the overall lack of depth it seems a somewhat random piece of info to include. Similarly the reference to the use of his name as slang seems frivolous and more suited to something like urban dictionary. Any objections to the removal of these paragraphs?(Andyuk85 00:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC))
No objection from me JoBrodie 18:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dreadful article
Encyclopaedic? I don't think so. Reading the above comments, this article has already been edited to take out commercial aspects, but I still found plenty. I've edited out more PR puffery and the NPOV comments about his abilities - no sources cited, either. Also removed the link to his wholly commercial website. 86.134.115.239 20:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unsourced material
I have removed the material regarding Mear's supposed consumption of McDonald's Happy Meals while in the field as this (somewhat implausible) statement is unsourced.193.128.240.54 06:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Similar people in See also section
There seem to be an increasing number of similar people (mainly notable for survival skills in the media) listed under See also. They're not really directly related to Ray Mears, so can we remove them and add them to a separate list or category instead? Perhaps all of them can be added to Category:Media documenting survival skills - or should there be a separate category, say Category:Survival skills television presenters? --David Edgar 12:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
