Talk:Rashtrakuta Dynasty

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[edit] History

Under History subheading the very first paragraph also came from a Marathi book called "Marathi Encyclopedia (Khand.14), 1989, publisher-Maharashtra Rajya Vishwakosh Manda"

"The Rashtrakutas were feudatories to the Chalukyas and came into prominence under Dantidurga around 753 CE.The oldest Rashtrakutas are believed to be from ancient Kuntala in the valley of river Krishna. Manank ruled from 350 - 375 C.E. and had built his capital in Manpur (now Maan in Satara district). The Vakatakas of Vidarbha another Rashtrakuta ruler were in conflict with Manank"

I'd say that unless there is a problem with the credibility of the Marathi Encyclopedia, then it would be fine. If there are other books which say different conflicting things, then attributing to the original historian and their differing viewpoints is the way to go. WP:SOURCE#Language, doesn't seem to rule out using non-English texts at all, although an original English translation, rather than a self-translation is probably better. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Given the debated nature of this article, It feel its better to use translated texts then to have someone do a personal translation, make a subjective judgement and come to conclusions, as I think Mrtag is doing.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 10:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

One of the reasons this article has been constantly plagued by controversy is partly because of the naming of the page. This page pertains to "Rashtrakutas of Manyakheta" specifically, though a brief mention has be made about their descendents etc. I propose we rename the article to match the name of the Imperial dynasty - Rashtrakutas of Manyakheta. This would solve lots of problems about dealing with Rashtrakutas of Vidharbha, Jodhpur etc. People interested in creating other subarticles are free to then create articles for their own tiny kingdoms elsewhere while the main article remains for most well known Empire - the rulers from Manyakheta. thanks.Dineshkannambadi 11:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Now ur in right track. But isnt Manyakheta synonymous with Malkhed. The way u were ignoring Maharashtri/Marathi in the article of Rashtrakutas (who were the rulers of our state in ancient times) is unfortunate. I am OK for Mr.Kannambadi's proposal and the same holds with Yadavas of Deogiri. They are more related to Marathi than any other languages. Kannada was not their court-language in the 'present day Maharashtra part' of their rule so Kannada script should not be used there. And same is being pronounced everywhere except your dubious books. 'Threw the Kannada rule' this term itself tells the whole story.It will be nice if u write history articles with open-mind and zero prejudice. Mrtag 13:00, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

You are missing the point. My suggestion has nothing to do with present day Maharashtra or Karnataka.

The Yadava kings encouraged Kannada scholars in their court, minted Kannada coins. They wrote over 500 Kannada inscriptions. Whether the Yadavas of Devagiri are related to Marathi's or not itself is debated as expained by all the citations. To me it's clear from the Seuna article that during the 11-13 century was a time of multiple languages in Maharashtra. Even historians are not sure if it is clearly the first Maratha empire.Dineshkannambadi 13:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC) Also see my comments on user: Blnguyen page at the bottom. I think you are in for a surprise.Dineshkannambadi 13:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Yadavas (of Deogiri) were the Maratha empire and Marathi was the court-language. Yadavas were patrons of Marathi.Historians are much clear about it. You can go ahead and make Seunas from Karnataka or whatever as you wish. Yadavas of Deogiri are undoubtedly Marathi. I have no intrest on what you think or what is clear to u. I am not at all surprised or intimidated by Bl's response. Get this very clear, u have started all this flaming and u dont know my conviction!

Secondly its time for u to stop ur threats and behave properly. Agreed that it is a web-forum but still some decency and consideration has to be mentioned. Take a crash course on mannerisms,if possible. Mrtag 14:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mr.Kannambadi and his lies

Mr.Kannambadi is playing dirty politics over here by conspiring to block me. Dont think I have given up. I have got few books to expose the truth u r trying to hide.

I have given enough citations to prove that Maharashtri Prakrit was a court-language during Rashtrakuta period. The book is Maharashtrache prachin rajyakarte by V.Rajawade. Page numbers are 39 and 40.It justifies Maharashtri Prakrit script in the article

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Mr.Kannambadi also removed Marathi encyclopedia which is far more genuine and trustworthy than his dubious citations.marathi encyclopedia link

Google snippets are also used by other users in Yadavas of Deogiri article. Whatever information I have added using that snippets is brief and easily viewable. They clearly show that rashtrakutas of Manyakheta are marathi.

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Mrtag, I looked at those google searches - I am not sure how this service works, but it did not seem to provide a paragraph or such which has this content. It appears to only give the fact that a word is in the text. Can you explain things more clearly? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC). Cut and paste by Dineshkannambadi 19:32, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I suppose the part which says that there were some Marathi Rashtrakutas who were later ancestors of Marathas, seems like it stands by itself, that there were some Marathi speaking people. Of course it would be preferable if Mrtag has the whole book to read, although it doesn't seem that would help anybody else. However, the justification for putting Marathi first seems to be based on the use of a piece of text which merely stated that there were Marathis, not that they were predominant. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC). Cut and paste by Dineshkannambadi 19:32, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Mr.Kannambadi should be expelled as he is a liar and tried to hide the Maratha origin theory even though he has that particular book. He tried to 'damage control' by removing his blatant lies here and here.

I will not fall prey to this dirty tactics of Mr.Kannambadi. Dont think I will give away to ur inappropriate measures to sack or scare me.

59.95.14.69 04:18, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

ReplyThe above anon user is a banned user and goes by many user names. I have cut and paste replies by an admin to this banned user as Replies in his above outburst. thanks.Dineshkannambadi 19:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mr.Kannambadi and his lies

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        +       :Mr.Kannambadi is playing dirty politics over here by conspiring to block me. Dont think I have given up. I have got few books to expose the truth u r trying to hide.
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        +       :I have given enough citations to prove that Maharashtri Prakrit was a court-language during Rashtrakuta period. The book is Maharashtrache prachin rajyakarte by V.Rajawade. Page numbers are 39 and 40.It justifies Maharashtri Prakrit script in the article
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        +       :Mr.Kannambadi also removed Marathi encyclopedia which is far more genuine and trustworthy than his dubious citations.marathi encyclopedia link
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        +       :Google snippets are also used by other users in Yadavas of Deogiri article. Whatever information I have added using that snippets is brief and easily viewable. They clearly show that rashtrakutas of Manyakheta are marathi.
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        +       :Mr.Kannambadi should be expelled as he is a liar and tried to hide the Maratha origin theory even though he has that particular book. He tried to 'damage control' by removing his blatant lies here and here.
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        +       :I will not fall prey to this dirty tactics of Mr.Kannambadi. Dont think I will give away to ur inappropriate measures to sack or scare me.

[edit] arbitration

This article will go for arbitration to decide what is an acceptable citation and what is not. This decision will be made by the arb committee. With this in mind I am providing full publication information including page number, author, year of publication and publishing company etc to each citation brought in by me. If it is a web page, the citation contains author, web page link, last update of web page and publisher name. If the need arises, I shall also provide credentials of the web page author. Instead of constantly reverting and ruining this article, I suggest all contributors do the same. I have not altered any text that changes the meaning of the article. I suggest Mrtag and his various wiki incarnations do the same before this goes for arbitration which will be final. thanks.Dineshkannambadi 19:26, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Citations under question for arbitration (as of 12/27/06, 3:26 PM (USA))-->citation #1,2,3,6, 26,27,44,45. These citations have no publisher, page number. If I find any other citation without sufficient infomation, I shall add its number here. The number can change if more citations are brought in and should therefore not be considered final.Dineshkannambadi 20:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] removal of cited info

I warn Mr.Kannambadi to stop deleting cited info. I can follow the suit as well. Vishu123 07:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Solution to revert problem

Here is a possible solution to all the reverts on the Rashtrakuta page.

First of all we need to stop whoever is creating so many sockpuppets from anymore puppetry.

User:Mrtag, User:Itihaas are all sock puppets who have been blocked indef.

We can then bring in a panel of judges who will thoroughly study the article, its citations and source of citations to ensure the same are acceptable to wikipedia standards and that there is no fabrication of the citations. If citations are coming from non-English language sources, we need to confirm if this is acceptable and if it is, then is the translation accurate and the non-English content from a scholarly source. We need to ensure no blog sites are being used.

Then the article can be reworded by one of the judges so as to meet the requirements of all valid citations.

To validate the citations, I suggest the authors of the article, which is myself and the puppetmaster of the banned puppets to prove they really pocess the books we are using. We can even go in detail to the page numbers given in the citations.

Hopefully this is an acceptable process to solve the revert problem.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 02:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yadavas of Devagiri

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It is the conspiracy of Mr.Kannambadi and others to get me blocked every now and then. I have clarified that although I know Sarvabhaum,i am not him and there's no policy which says individuals from same organisation cante edit wikipedia.
Once again Mr.Kannambadi has taunted on Marathi citations. In fact we must discuss on how the citations used by Mr.Kannambadi are perhaps dubious and partial for sure. They being in English language doesnt make them pristine.So their use should not be permitted if they are challenged by others. Next important thing is Mr.Kannambadi had the book of Mr.Altekar who has clearly mentioned about Maratha origins of Rashtrakutas but this fact was subdued by Mr.Kannambadi. I have also proved him wrong about his 'assumptions' of Google books not used in wikipedia citations. In a nutshell, Mr.Kannambadi, is a Kannada partisan editor using citations of authors which are useful to him.
My emphasis is not about Rashtrakutas but Yadavas of Devagiri which is infested by a partisan author. No doubt Rashtrakutas had Kannada as a court language but Maharashtri Prakrit/Marathi should also have some place in this article as few historians have suggested that. I dont think Marathi/Maharashtri Prakrit script be added here as its only two historians believe rashtrakutas/few branches were Marathi but the same rule should be applied for Yadavas of Devagiri. It is proved by my zillions of citations that Kannada had no place in their rule,few branches of them might have had kannada but that doesnt justify so much emphasis or Kannada script in that article. Only a certain kannada historian believes that. If Kannambadi is not ready to compromise with Kamath then I can have C.Vaidya ,who is far more credible and noted historian.

Possessing the books isnt a issue or a condition. I have few books with while others are referred from library. Of course we can go in detail to the page numbers given in the citations.

I am ready for Mr.Kannambadi's proposal provided the same rules are applied to both articles and panel of judges are not chosen by either of us. Vishu123 06:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

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