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[edit] John Leslie, 1st Duke of Rothes

You recently reverted a correction that I made to John Leslie, 1st Duke of Rothes. You could have the correct answer, but could you please back it up with a reference? Working on the list in Earl of Crawford, there does not appear to be a John Lindsay, 10th Earl of Crawford. The 10th Earl of Crawford is David Lindsay, 10th Earl of Crawford. There is a John Leslie as the John Lindsay, 17th Earl of Crawford, 1st Earl of Lindsay, as well as the 19th and 20th Earl of Crawford. If your change is correct, then the Earl of Crawford page also needs to get updated because it is wrong. Otherwise, I move to keep the number at 17 where I had it which is most likely to be correct because of the timeframe. JRP 00:19, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

The man in question was the son of Alexander Lindsay. His mother was Jean Sinclair, she was the daughter of Henry Sinclair 3 Lord Sinclair. These people in question are my kin, i know the history well. The Royal genealogy is linked to these people. I have a lot more information, but it will be copyrighted. I wrote the first story on the first Duke of Rothes. Under the number 226. I also wrote the item on Joan Chaworth.
I certainly believe you, but the existing Wikipedia page is pretty clear that there isn't a 10th Earl of Crawford named John Lindsay. I just want the right information in the article. Can you provide a resource that says definitively one way or the other. The Earl of Crawford page doesn't have a good reference either so I have no idea how trustworthy that list is. JRP 01:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
I will give at least 3 references for my statement. Give me a day or two. Many members of the nobility were very related to each other. On the 5th Earl of Rothes, his step-brothers were involed in the murder of Cardinal Beaton. But cardinal Beaton was also their kin. On Sir James Ormond, he was the brother of John Ormond esq. of Alfreton. The name was spelled Ormond. This is the spelling on the brass to him in Alfreton church. But at times, it was in later years spelled Ormand.
You may return the title 17 Earl of Crawford, because a mistake was made by a National Trust site and a painting of the family was listed wrong. This should have been found earlier, being there were tours of the castle with this mistake repeated. Most likely this was caused by the names being the same. This is one that slipped by me and them.
That's excellent. I'm sorry for being persistent, I just like lists and when they are consistent. While you are at it, can you check out James Ormonde and help clarify Piers Butler, 1st Earl of Ormonde or Piers Butler, 7th Earl of Ormonde? According to the list (which again, I can't verify) Earl of Ormonde, Piers Butler was the 1st Earl of the third creation, because of some maddness with Thomas Boleyn, 1st Earl of Ormonde. You changed it to 7th which the list claims to be Thomas Butler. Should I change this back also? JRP 01:12, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Thomas was the brother of John 6th Earl of Ormonde, Thomas was the 7th Earl of Ormonde. Thomas nearly always signed his name as Thomas Ormond. That made Piers 8th Earl of Ormonde. John 6th Earl died in the Holy Land, he had earlier met with the Pope in Rome. Thomas had given Sir James Ormond, power of attorney over his estates in Ireland. Thomas Boleyn or Bullin, was kin to Joan Chaworth. The Duke of Somerset met his fate with Thomas Boleyn on the chopping block. Lady Anne Stahope was the wife of the Duke of Somerset. This can be seen on her tomb which shows the different coats of arms of the allied families. Her Great-grandson Philip was created Earl of Chesterfield.

Got it. Can you update Earl of Ormonde with that information since that must be wrong. I'll make the note that Piers was 8th Earl... (You changed the link to 7th, I think.) Also, when you start a line with spaces, it makes the comments really hard to read. Try starting them with ":" to do nesting, instead. :) JRP

[edit] John Hutchinson

Thanks for the additions you made to John Hutchinson. If you want to upload a photo, there is an option to upload a file on the left tool bar.--nixie 02:05, 27 August 2005 (UTC) The rarely stated assertion that John Ormond of Alfreton was the son of John Butler, 6th Earl of Ormond(e), is made fully and in: The Butler family of Ireland, Earls of Ormond, etc., Ninth Volume: ‘The First To Seventh Earl of Ormond'. T. Blake Butler Printed privately about 1962

John and James's mother is there given as Reynalda, daughter of Turlogh "The Brown" O'Brien, King of Thomond (d 1460).

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[edit] Ron Ormond

Please see Talk:Film producer to join in a discussion about why I removed this entry. Thanks. Notinasnaid 10:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

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