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Hello, RaNdOm26/Archive 1, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for your contributions. I hope you like it here and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Please refrain from adding nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to Lee Harding. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. CynicalMe 06:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I didn't write any nonsense **frowns**.

Welcome and a few things

First, welcome to Wikipedia. You should consider joining the Tropical Cyclone Wikiproject, seeing as you like to edit Australian cyclones (which we need help with). For images, generally you shouldn't use a search engine, unless you know what you're looking for. As a rule of thumb, most images whose urls end in .gov or .mil are public domain or at least fair use. You should double check to see who took the image or picture before going ahead. If it is public domain, you should upload it to Wikipedia Commons, once you get an account there. This is how you upload it. Right click on the Public Domain image, and click "Save Picture as", and name it whatever. Click on the upload icon on the Commons page, and follow the directions given at the top (description, source, date, author, and permission). Inline sourcing is giving the source for the information you added to the article. At the every source you have, do something like this. <ref name="name">{{cite web|author=Person/Organization|year=Year|title=Whatever the Title is|accessdate=Whatever date you put it in (2006-06-22)|url=www.whatever.com}}</ref> I hope that made a little sense. Just add in everything. Hopefully that all makes sense. Hurricanehink (talk) 13:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Very glad to hear that. We always love having new members. Good luck with any future plans you have. I hope you're able to work on some southern hemisphere storms or seasons. That is one area of the WPTC that needs some work. See you around! Hurricanehink (talk) 17:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Hi

I put the comments in the talk page. The reason you didn't get the newsletter is because you didn't join the Tropical Cyclone Wikiproject. If you put your name in the participants list, you'll get one each month. --Hurricanehink (talk) 13:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Very nice, and welcome to the Tropical Cyclone Wikiproject! We're looking forward to any future edits you can make to tropical cyclones, and we're happy to have you on board. Current projects include bettering the existing articles on retired hurricanes to GA or FA status. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Here's the latest version of our monthly newsletter. Enjoy!

Number 2, July 2, 2006

The Hurricane Herald

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Storm of the month

Tropical Storm Alberto was the first tropical storm of the 2006 Atlantic hurricane season. Forming on June 10 over the western Caribbean Sea, the system moved northwestward as a disorganized tropical depression due to dry air and wind shear. It passed to the west of Cuba, bringing heavy rainfall to Cuba and Grand Cayman. The rainfall damaged 37 homes and destroyed 3 in Havana. It strengthened over the Gulf of Mexico and became a tropical storm on June 11. The center reformed to the northeast near its deep convection, and Alberto reached a peak intensity of 70 mph (110 km/h) before weakening and hitting the Florida Panhandle on June 13. Alberto brought heavy rainfall to the southeastern United States, peaking at 7.16 inches in Raleigh, North Carolina. The rainfall in Florida was beneficial in places as it alleviated drought conditions. The storm indirectly caused two deaths: A pilot who crashed near Tampa due to poor conditions and a boy who drowned in the flooding in Raleigh, North Carolina.

Other tropical cyclone activity

• Tropical Depression Two-E briefly existed near the Mexican coast on June 3 to June 4 and brought heavy rainfall to Acapulco.
• Tropical Storm Jelawat lasted from June 26 to June 29 in the South China Sea and made landfall on China. The storm caused flooding which killed at least seven people.
• Tropical Storm Ewiniar formed on June 30 east of Palau. It is forecast to reach typhoon strength.

New and improved articles

• New storm articles include: Tropical Storm Alberto (2006), Typhoon Patsy (1970), Tropical Storm Larry (2003), Cyclone Steve and Hurricane Danielle (1998).
• New non-storm articles include: Subtropical ridge and List of named tropical cyclones.
• New Featured articles: Hurricane Nora (1997), List of New Jersey hurricanes, Hurricane John (1994) and Hurricane Katrina.
• Articles which became A/GA class include: Tropical Storm Allison (A), Eye (cyclone) (GA), Tropical Cyclone (GA), Project Stormfury (GA), Hurricane Lenny (GA), Hurricane Epsilon (2005) (GA), Hurricane Esther (1961) (GA), Tropical Storm Henri (2003) (GA) and Hurricane Camille (GA).

New articles and improvements wanted

• New article: List of California tropical storms and List of New Jersey hurricanes are both featured lists, so why is there no List of Louisiana hurricanes or List of Cuban hurricanes?
• The current collaboration of the fortnight is Hurricane Fifi, please help improve this article.
• Please help to expand and improve the coverage of Tropical cyclones on Wikinews.
• Improvements are requested to Hurricane Janet, Hurricane Erin (1995) and Pacific hurricane season articles.

Member of the month

The June member of the month is Jdorje. The WikiProject awards this to him for his many contributions to the coverage of tropical cyclones on Wikipedia. Jdorje founded the WikiProject in October 2005 and established much of the categorizations the project depends on. His most significant contributions include the Featured article 1928 Okeechobee Hurricane and his track map generator with which he has created hundreds of track maps.

Main Page content

• Hurricane Floyd appeared on the Main Page as Today's Featured Article on June 17.
• Entries from 5 articles: Tropical Storm Larry (2003), Tropical Storm Henri (2003), Typhoon Kate (1970), Typhoon Patsy (1970) and List of named tropical cyclones appeared on the Main Page in the Did you know column during June.

Storm article statistics

Grade	April	May	June	July
FA	7	7	10	13
A	4	5	7	6
GA	0	3	5	18
B	62	66	82	79
Start	154	177	168	180
Stub	13	12	10	8
Total	240	263	282	303
percentage ≥Less than B	69.6	71.6	63.1	62.0

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Thanks to Hurricanehink to maintaining the stats table and producing the storm summaries. Nilfanion (talk)

Here's some pointers to making a good tropical cyclone article. Dear Tropical cyclone editor,

As a member of the Tropical Cyclone Wikiproject, you are receiving this message to describe how you can better tropical cyclone articles. There are hundreds of tropical cyclone articles, though many of them are poorly organized and lacking in information. Using the existing featured articles as a guide line, here is the basic format for the ideal tropical cyclone article.

1. Infobox- Whenever possible, the infobox should have a picture for the tropical cyclone. The picture can be any uploaded picture about the storm, though ideally it should be a satellite shot of the system. If that is not available, damage pictures, either during the storm or after the storm, are suitable. In the area that says Formed, indicate the date on which the storm first developed into a tropical depression. In the area that says Dissipated, indicate the date on which the storm lost its tropical characteristics. This includes when the storm became extratropical, or if it dissipated. If the storm dissipated and reformed, include the original start date and the final end date. Highest winds should be the local unit of measurement for speed (mph in non-metric countries, km/h in metric countries), with the other unit in parenthesis. The lowest pressure should be in mbars. Damages should, when available, be in the year of impact, then the present year. The unit of currency can be at your discretion, though typically it should be in USD. Fatalities indicate direct deaths first, then indirect deaths. Areas affected should only be major areas of impact. Specific islands or cities should only be mentioned if majority of the cyclone's effects occurred there.
2. Intro- The intro for every article should be, at a minimum, 2 paragraphs. For more impacting hurricanes, it should be 3. The first should describe the storm in general, including a link to the seasonal article, its number in the season, and other statistics. The second should include a brief storm history, while the third should be impact.
3. Storm history- The storm history should be a decent length, relatively proportional to the longevity of the storm. Generally speaking, the first paragraph should be the origins of the storm, leading to the system reaching tropical storm status. The second should be the storm reaching its peak. The third should be post-peak until landfall and dissipation. This section is very flexible, depending on meteorological conditions, but it should generally be around 3. Storm histories can be longer than three paragraphs, though they should be less than five. Anything more becomes excessive. Remember, all storm impacts, preparations, and records can go elsewhere. Additional pictures are useful here. If the picture in the infobox is of the storm at its peak, use a landfall picture in the storm history. If the picture in the infobox is of the storm at its landfall, use the peak. If the landfall is its peak, use a secondary peak, or even a random point in the storm's history.
4. Preparations- The preparations section can be any length, depending on the amount of preparations taken by people for the storm. Hurricane watches and warnings need to be mentioned here, as well as the number of people evacuated from the coast. Include numbers of shelters, and other info you can find on how people prepared for the storm.
5. Impact- For landfalling storms, the impact section should be the majority of the article. First, if the storm caused deaths in multiple areas, a death table would work well in the top level impact section. A paragraph of the general effects of the storm is also needed. After the intro paragraph, impact should be broken up by each major area. It depends on the information, but sections should be at least one paragraph, if not more. In the major impact areas, the first paragraph should be devoted to meteorological statistics, including rainfall totals, peak wind gusts on land, storm surge, wave heights, beach erosion, and tornadoes. The second should be actual damage. Possible additional paragraphs could be detailed information on crop damage or specifics. Death and damage tolls should be at the end. Pictures are needed, as well. Ideally, there would be at least one picture for each sub-section in the impact, though this sometimes can't happen. For storms that impact the United States or United States territories, this site can be used for rainfall data, including an image of rainfall totals.
6. Aftermath- The aftermath section should describe foreign aid, national aid, reconstruction, short-term and long-term environmental effects, and disease. Also, the storm's retirement information, whether it happened or not, should be mentioned here.
7. Records- This is optional, but can't hurt to be included.
8. Other- The ideal article should have inline sourcing, with the {{cite web}} formatting being preferable. Always double check your writing and make sure it makes sense.

Good luck with future writing, and if you have a question about the above, don't hesitate to ask.

See you around. --Hurricanehink (talk) 13:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Track maps

Glad you like them! I do have some BoM raw data and am trying to figure out how to interpret it at the moment, it would be much better to use BoM data instead of the JTWC. The BoM track for Steve shows things differently to the JTWC, for instance the fact the storm reached the Bight instead of dissipating overland. On the colouration, I think the track maps should show sustained winds (and so the US scale), as they need to allow global comparison. That's why the SSHS category determines the colour in the infobox.--Nilfanion (talk) 09:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Ele and Huko have now had their track maps updated.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

And that's that lot done. Marcia doesn't have one as the JTWC didn't actually track that system. Could you finish off the South Pacific storm summaries in that article? And no problem glad you appreciate :)--Nilfanion (talk) 23:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

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Re: MOTM

Thanks! By the way, great job with the 1999-2000 Southern Hemisphere season. Hurricanehink (talk) 18:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Hellooooo!!!!!

:) Sorry, but I focus on the northern hemisphere. I think, in total, I've made about 5 edits to southern hemisphere articles. I'm not sure where you can find good links for the southern hemisphere seasons... Maybe google it? Hurricanehink (talk) 12:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the only good sources I am aware of online are Gary Padgett's summaries and the BoM. However, the JTWC ATCRs starting in 1985 also provide information. (The pertinent chapter is typically the one after the one marked "LARGE". However, if you activate your email and send me an email, I can then send you a copy of Jack Beven's weekly summaries for 1991-95.--Nilfanion (talk) 16:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:CIV, WP:OWN

Re this edit summarry, please be civil. No one owns articles, and anyone is free to edit. Chacor 16:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Chacor, check your spelling, will you? RaNdOm26 15:05, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Again. WP:CIV, or you may be liable for a block. Chacor 15:07, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I am not very concerned about being blocked because Wikipedia is not my priority, I am more concerned about whether I feel happy about contributing to Wikipedia or not. I don't like working in an unfriendly environment. RaNdOm26 15:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

You are very welcome to fork or leave, actually. If you really want to work in a friendly environment you should help make it friendlier, not make it worse. Chacor 15:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

If that's so, I guess I shouldn't be talking to you anymore, since I can't get along with you anymore. RaNdOm26 15:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

If I am making a lot of edits to an article, which results in an edit conflict, what are you supposed to do about preventing any edit conflicts, since they are definitely a real pain. RaNdOm26 08:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The best thing to do is to add {{inuse}} to the article while you are doing major work.--Nilfanion (talk) 09:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

ACE

Formula for ACE is windspeed in knots, divided by 1000, then squared. Therefore 40 knots = (40/1000)*(40/1000) = 0.4*0.4 = 0.16. Unit is 10⁴kt². Only works with full 1-minute six-hourly advisories. Chacor 09:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it would be divided by 100, then squared. The other numbers above are correct, just replace 1000 with 100. So 40 knots = (40/100)*(40/100) = 0.4*0.4 = 0.16. Also, the figured is generally given in 3 significant figures. --Ajm⁸¹ 13:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, heh, was busy working on an article for Kyle (2002). Chacor 13:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see, thanks for that, Ajm81! RaNdOm26 09:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Cyclone Catarina Thank you for voting in my RfA. I would especially like to thank those 18 people that supported me. But I'd also like to thank those that may have not voted for me, but gave me advice to make me a better wikipedian. Once again, I thank you all. Unfortunately, the final result was 18 supporters, 32 opposers, 9 nuetrals, therefore I wasn't promoted to sysop. I hope to see you vote in my next RfA in late 2006, early 2007. Hopefully you'll support me. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 15:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

IRC

Hey, if you're there, could you go on the WPTC's IRC? Just go to http://www.ircatwork.com/ and type in a nickname (your username would be good), then type in "#wiki-hurricanes" in the box that says channel next to it. Hope to see you there; I'm really bored. íslenska hurikein #12 _(samtal) 12:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you go on now? íslenska hurikein #12 _(samtal) 01:08, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Chart websites

Hello! The website for Billboard charts is http://billboard.com/bbcom/charts/genre_index.jsp and the Canadian charts are physical singles airplay. This is the UK singles chart website. I'd advise to not use the poorly-maintained sites [1] because they often have incorrect positions. :-) — getcrunk what?! 23:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Hello

Thanks, not too much sunburn. :P--Nilfanion (talk) 15:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Edit count

Here you go. http://tools.wikimedia.de/~essjay/edit_count/Count.php

TC summaries

Unfortunately that gap is real. Jack Beven stopped producing the reports in 1996, under the increasing strain of his job at the NHC (presumably). Gary Padgett initiated the weekly summaries a year or so later; there were no summaries for the intervening period.--Nilfanion (talk) 13:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

UTC+8

Singapore. – Chacor 15:41, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

No, you didn't sound racist. Yes, born and bred. Not a foreigner. – Chacor 15:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

See the article, English is an official language and is the working and teaching language. However, most (I'd say about 70%) Singaporeans have weak English. I just happen to be one of the 30% I guess. :P – Chacor 15:53, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Due to certain reasons that is no longer made known, I'll say that I'm not older than 18. – Chacor 16:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I've grown up speaking English mostly, although I speak both. – Chacor 16:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm older than 15. – Chacor 16:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Tropical cyclones WikiProject Newsletter #4

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Re: Sources for Music charts

If I seem "very picky", it's because Wikipedia:Verifiability is official Wikipedia policy. The websites allmusic.com and billboard.com have U.S. chart positions (allmusic has some Canadian ones as well), and musicsquare.net and top40-charts.com have worldwide chart info, although I don't think top40-charts.com is very reliable. That said, I hope you are only going to use those links to provide peak positions, because I strongly discourage the inclusion of chart trajectories in articles. Readers of an encyclopedia will not need to know exactly how a song performed week-by-week on the charts. If a single's chart run was particularly long or short, then the text can be expanded to reflect that, but we should try to avoid turning articles into marketing report/scorecard-like overviews of singles' respective performances. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of info. Extraordinary Machine 16:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Because many editors choose to simply restore them, often without explanation and almost always without citing sources. In some cases this leads to edit wars, and you can imagine the controversy this would cause if every trajectory was removed from every article. I don't think there are enough editors willing to discuss the issue to be able to form any sort of guideline, so for the moment the problem (as I see it) is growing and growing. Extraordinary Machine 19:49, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Just an addition, I would say that including every chart trajectory in the biographical section of the article is redundant since the information is already the discography section. However, some of the chart trajectory information could be included when discussing the artist's greatest hits (i.e. their #1 singles).

Re: Australians

That's a good question. As far as I know, you're the only one, though you're the only one I remember saying it. I only know a few user's locations, and to make you feel better, NSLE/Chacor is from Singapore and Nilfanion is from the United Kingdom. I think both of them are the only WPTC users from their respective countries, so I'm sure they know how you feel. Thanks for the heads up; I'll archive it. Hurricanehink (talk) 17:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Now, now, Hink, that's very inaccurate. There are a lot of UK WPTC users, and I know of at least one other WPTC user in Singapore. That said, no, you're not the only Australian within WPTC, but you are the only ACTIVE one that I know of. – Chacor 10:41, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Really? Wow, you learn something new everyday. Hurricanehink (talk) 14:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

That's great. I don't need to know if there are people or not in "WPTC", I'm more interested in THE people themselves. So far, I've found none. RaNdOm26 13:18, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

One other Singaporean user. Interesting, how come you are so afraid of mentioning that person's name? Don't you acknowledge people? Or is that user you're mentioning NSLE???? RaNdOm26 13:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy. And FYI I am NSLE. – Chacor 14:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

LOL - "FYI", calm down. RaNdOm26 15:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Your recent edits

You recent additions of {{fact}} to 2006 Pacific typhoon season have been disruptive - the Ioke stuff is all in its subarticle, {{sofixit}} - cite them yourself, while the other one re. named storms is in plain sight. Go look it up yourself - all published records of the 2000 through 2005 PTSes will say exactly how many storms were disagreed on. – Chacor 10:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

It is not original research if it has been published. Have a look at Gary Padgett's yearly summaries - [2][3][4][5][6][7]. – Chacor 10:17, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

If it makes you happier I've added the six sources. – Chacor 10:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:POINT = disruption of Wikipedia to make a point, which you clearly were doing. You wanted to make a point - which in itself isn't disruption - but you did it in a way that harmed the encyclopedia. – Chacor 10:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

To clarify further - the disruptiveness was about Ioke, as sources already were in its own article and it was a mere matter of taking the sources from there and transferring it over, which you did not do. – Chacor 10:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Who's the one talking about etiquette here? You come in from absolutely NOWHERE and make these edits, quite frankly, disruptive when it's stood for so long. Is this retaliation for me tagging some of your articles? Sheesh. – Chacor 12:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

And, "not easy"? The first place you should think of is the tropical cyclone archives. Hardly difficult to find. – Chacor 12:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

In this sense, your articles meaning articles you created. Anyhow, let's just drop the matter, bickering isn't conducive for the encyclopedia. – Chacor 12:55, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

That isn't necessarily how we work. Criticism only helps the project grow. "Treat others how you want to be treated" really doesn't work on Wikipedia. Anyhow, like I said, let's get back to encyclopedia-writing. – Chacor 13:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

How, exactly was this incivil? I have reverted your message to my talk page for WP:RPA purposes. Please do not make wild accusations on my talk page. – Chacor 09:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Please avoid my talk page if all you are going to do is troll, otherwise I shall request an admin to look into possible harassment. – Chacor 09:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey/Sorry/Star

Look, I'm sorry if I was a bit snappy. Let's put that behind, okay? I've looked through your recent contribs, and I think you deserve this. – Chacor 10:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

A bit snappy???????? Is that all you're saying? GEEZ. RaNdOm26 02:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		Barnstar is awarded to RaNdOm26 for his good work in editing articles related to Australian music. – Chacor 10:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Deal or No Deal (Australian Game Show)

Hi there

In reference to Deal or No Deal's unluckiest player ever, I maintain that the first offer was in fact 10c, not 22c. In fact on the website www.mediaspy.org they have a forum on television programmes which has a picture of that particular offer, and it clearly says 10c.

Re: Charts or no charts......

Sorry for the late reply. The chart trajectories issue has been discussed several times before; see, for example, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Pop music issues and the archive of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Tables for charts. Though it may seem like it, I'm not an individual with a bee in my bonnet for no reason about this. Extraordinary Machine 18:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Hello

It might be fine, seeing as we are much more liberal towards new articles then we were in the past. Be sure the storm history is nice and long (given the long duration of the storm), and try and find some records for the storm. It was the 7th longest lasting Atlantic tropical cyclone of all time, per the list of notable Atlantic hurricanes. BTW, look through the NHC archive to see if there's any more info than what's in the TCR (discussions especially, though check the public advisories to see if it caused heavy surf). Before you publish it or "go live", you should consider getting some more satellite images for the article; one of it at its secondary peak while looping would be cool. Good luck with the article. Hurricanehink (talk) 04:03, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Padgett/JMA

Padgett uses JTWC over JMA in the sense that track positions of cyclones are mainly JTWC positions. He does, indeed however recognise JMA windspeeds. – Chacor 14:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

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DYK

On 5 October 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hurricane Alberto (2000), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Re:Hi

Hey, sorry mate, I put in the numbers earlier, and before, I checked both the physical singles chart and the singles chart, and there was no difference. So..do you know which chart we're meant to use? Sorry if I've inconvenienced you, it's just that ARIA didn't update it yet when I got to the site. ~ EmeZxX 12:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Sweet! íslenskur fel]]libylur #12 _(samtal) 12:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Umm..I kinda know what you're saying..but I bookmarked the ARIA singles before they cut it into physical singles and singles, and the chart we used before was physical singles...so kinda not sure what to do now. =/ ~ EmeZxX 12:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

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Hello

Hello, i'm not very sure wich one to used either. I didn't know it existed until i double checked the website. It seems that all other chart websites are just using the Physical top 50, i'm really confused too. I'm going to used Physical at the moment, i think its the one when downloads are included as well. Lillygirl 23:14, 8 October 2006.

I was thinking that when the Chartifacts update, we will then know what chart to use maybe, because ARIA will be using those positions of either Singles or Physical Sinlges. Lillygirl 22:48, October 9 2006.

Good idea, I checked it out now, they've updated. We're going with the singles charts. ~ EmeZxX 03:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Chess

Wikipedia:Esperanza/Coffee Lounge/Chess#Board 11. •Sean•gorter•^{(T) (P)} 16:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Australian Idol "Instrumental" week

Hi RaNdOm26, I've left a message on the talk-page of Dean Geyer relating to the change you just made (it's more appropriate that it be discussed there instead of here on your talk-page). I'd be great if you could have a look and offer some input. Thanks. Cnwb 11:35, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA thanks

Hi, RaNdOm26! Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of 75/0/1! I hope I can live up to the standards of adminship, and I will try my best to make Wikipedia a better place. Feel free to send me a message if you need any assistance. :)

--Coredesat 16:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

You just missed him...

You were looking for other WPTC Australian users? User:Gertzy was a member of the project and was from Australia, but just left on October 7th. Sorry, you just missed him. →Cyclone1→ 22:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Lol. That's bizarre. Just thought I'd let you know in case you didn't. →Cyclone1→ 12:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Newspaper Archive

The newspaper archive is great for info. I mainly use it for Atlantic storms, and most of the impact info from the 1933 Atlantic hurricane season was obtained from the newspapers. In fact, several times there will be next to no info online, but there will be some really good info from np's. It goes from about 1800 to 2006, and does cover a bit EPAC and WPAC (didn't check elsewhere). It covers storm history occassionally (though not terribly good due to changes in post-analysis), preparations, impact, and aftermath sometimes. I believe it is a great source of info. Hurricanehink (talk) 14:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Moving pages

Please do not move the pages, as I am opposed to the idea and nobody else has commented yet. Please wait. jd || talk || 08:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Your signature

Hello, RaNdOm26. If you would like a signature like mine, be sure to visit Sean gorter at his signature shop. Srgsp 04:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Tropical cyclones WikiProject Newsletter #6

The November issue of the WikiProject Tropical cyclones newsletter is now available. If you wish to receive the full newsletter or no longer be informed of the release of future editions, please add your username to the appropriate section on the mailing list.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:13, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

November Esperanza Newsletter

Re: NCDC

Well, you start by going to the main page. Then, you select the state. For your example, you would pick Puerto Rico. Specify the time period you want, and select all events (not all TC impacts are listed under hurricanes). Then, browse through to see the reports you want. Hurricanehink (talk) 18:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, it's just U.S. and U.S. territories. Hurricanehink (talk) 04:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Future articles

Just a heads up, you would probably have more luck writing a decent article on Beryl than you would on Florence. Beryl did cause some damage and deaths (I think), and it made landfall. Florence was a fish storm that did little, although you did do a good job on Tropical Storm Otto (2004), which was a fish storm that did little. Good luck with whichever you do. Hurricanehink (talk) 15:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's some Florence links that might help get you started.

• Bermuda effects
• Some more Bermuda effects
• Also the TCR and the advisories

Hurricanehink (talk) 15:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem, it took just a second. Now Beryl, I know there's info on it, but I'm not sure how much it will help you. There's a lot of spanish sources that have great info, but unless you can read spanish it's a huge pain to look through. For example, here's the Mexican Meteorology Website's report on Beryl, which gives the rainfall peak. Most other sources will be like that, in that they give small bits of good info in Spanish. Hurricanehink (talk) 14:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Jello ... about so fresh

Hey =] i was wondering if it was okay that i kinda like STOLE thing fgor the so fresh site HAHA it was my first site i made-ified =)... au revoir Bitbitz.xx 07:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

CD covers and fair use

This is a policy which is applied widely on Wikipedia, and outlined in {{albumcover}} which states that CV covers are fair use "solely to illustrate the audio recording in question." Thus, this doesn't apply to a biography on a singer, but can be used in a table to mention the CD, as happens here. I hope this explanation helps. Harro5 07:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Australian cyclones and disambigs

Hey Random, could you help add Australian and South Pacific cyclones to our disambiguation pages? A lot of them don't cover names used in SHem (in fact only recently were John and Paul's disambiguation pages updated for the SHem storms). Could you have a look at some random hurricane disambigs we have and see if any are missing any SHem storms from them? (P.S. if a disambig is at "Hurricane" or "Typhoon" and there's been a previous Shem cyclone you'll need to ask an admin to move it to a "Tropical Storm" prefix.) Thanks. – Chacor 12:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

OK. I'll see what I can do. RaNdOm26 02:44, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject western australia

Please join the Wikipedia:WikiProject Western Australia and bring another perspective to the emerging goals and discussions. Found you at WA wikipedian page. Please tell three people you think might interested. Fred.e 11:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Tropical cyclones WikiProject Newsletter #7

After a long hiatus on my part, the December issue of the WikiProject Tropical cyclones newsletter is now available. If you wish to receive the full newsletter or no longer be informed of the release of future editions, please add your username to the appropriate section on the mailing list.--Nilfanion (talk) 22:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

2000 AHS

I see you created Alberto and Beryl of 2000 and considered doing Florence. I hope you don't mind me asking, but is that season a project of yours? I'm just curious, but if you need any help with links or info, give me a yell. I'm in the process of finishing 2003 AHS as my own project, and I know how much work it takes to do an entire season. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, cool. What storms in the 2000 PHS did you plan on making articles for? Carlotta and Daniel seem to be the best candidates. Remember the site where you found Beryl's damage total? That same site has damage info for some of the 2000 PHS storms that affected Mexico. Storm05 created Hurricane Lane (2000) a while back. It was a good start, and I'm sure with some more info it could be remade. Here's some impact/preps for Carlotta, and don't forget about the TCR (18 deaths due to a freighter sinking). This site says the hurricane directly affected about 10,000 people and killed eight in Mexico, which is odd because I never saw that elsewhere. That might be something to look into. CPAC summary for Daniel indicates the storm caused some impact on Hawaii, but not much. That might be a difficult article to write. Well, whatever you do, have fun and good luck. Hurricanehink (talk) 06:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

You still need that info for the storm sections... Generally, the format for a season article has a storm section having two (or more paragraphs) - one with storm history and one with impact. Hurricanehink (talk) 01:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)