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[edit] Big Announcement
According to UFC.com "This week on 'Inside the UFC', host Joe Rogan interviews Chuck Liddell, then interviews Randy Couture - who has a big announcement to make"
Everyones got to be thinking it - Randy Couture is going to announce he's coming out of retirement. What else could it be.
[edit] Nickname
The nickname
- The Natural
- Captain America
in the data box may be read erroneously as "The Natural Captain America".
Because UFC's official site and Randy's official site use "the Natural" and not "Captain America", "The Natural" can be used for now. Shawnc 18:48, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
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- Well in other statboxes items on separate lines mean different things. I however have no objection since Couture never uses Captain America himself, to my knowledge. This also puts into question Wanderlei Silva's "The Axe Murderer", if CA is taken off so should that, as to my knowledge Silva has never used that himself.
- ↪Lakes 19:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- I don't mind the nicknames themeselves at all, but rather the presentation in the statbox. For an athelete's data box, I don't usually see two nicknames across two rows and without
punctuation. It seems to me that they can potentially be misinterpreted. If this format is actually clear to other readers then we can certainly put it back, but maybe we can ask some others first. Shawnc 13:33, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Picture
Can someone cut out the fan from the picture that was recently uploaded? It's possible (abiet unlikely) that someone wouldn't know which person is Randy. VegaDark 04:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- done! hateless 05:48, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Umm...looks exactly the same to me. Did I miss something? VegaDark 07:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Original uploader replaced himself back into the picture... ok, I'm going to upload the copped img as a new image and put it in the infobox. hateless 07:15, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thought that might have been the case. I'll have to revert if he does it again. It's awesome he met Randy in real life (my dad met him on OSU campus once as well) but having a pic of him without the fan is an improvement to the article. VegaDark 20:12, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Original uploader replaced himself back into the picture... ok, I'm going to upload the copped img as a new image and put it in the infobox. hateless 07:15, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Umm...looks exactly the same to me. Did I miss something? VegaDark 07:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sarcastic comments
User:Rat on a cheeto added to this article:
- And, having etched his name in the UFC halls of fame, now looks forward to doing the same in the annals of broadcasting. With flashy comments like "Kick?"(UFC 60), and "he was on that leg like A rat on A cheeto!"(UFC 61), he is well on his way.
I reverted the addition as I feel it is blatant sarcasm intended to mock Mr. Couture, however he replied on my talk page that the edit was serious. The text was then re-added by User:66.218.41.83 of which I reverted again. I feel it should be discussed here if he thinks this addition should be made as I think it is blatantly obvious that it is vandalism, but I bring this up here so other editors can have a say. VegaDark 07:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- okay, fellow editors, i tried to add a few lines about Mr. Couture earlier and VegaDark removed it deeming it "sarcastic." i genuinely wanted to update this wiki site recording what he is doing post retirement, so i let people know. but Vega has removed said content (except for my first line.) now id like to protest this removal as i think it is unwarranted. i wrote on August 1st,: " And, having etched his name in the UFC halls of fame, now looks forward to doing the same in the annals of broadcasting. With flashy comments like "Kick?"(UFC 60), and "he was on that leg like A rat on A cheeto!"(UFC 61), he is well on his way." i think there is nothing wrong with this addition, please tell me if i am wrong.
- p.s. you made a comment on this talk edit site about a picture put up for this wiki on July 1st of this year.... wow man... you are pretty EPIC Vega, pretty damn epic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rat on a cheeto (talk • contribs) .
[edit] People not related to Randy Couture
It should be noted that Randy is not related to Canadian/Model/Actress Sabrina Couture. I had to make a FAQ stating this.
Ominous Man Sabrina Couture Fan Club President.
[edit] Attended Oregon State Univeristy?
Did Couture attend Oregon State U. or was he just a staff member there? At what school were his collegiate titles won? He should be linked to the article about List of Oregon State Univ. people. Casey208.53.88.201 20:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
- He was just staff there. I'm pretty sure he went to Oklahoma State. VegaDark 21:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
- The "biography" section mentions that Couture was a collegiate champion and an Olympic alternqate, but not what sport!!!! (Presumably greco-roman wrestling, but I don't know enough to be able to say, nor what weight etc) --Dave. 23:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick question but why didn't the article mention anything about Couture's fights/wins against Pedro Rizzo. His two wins against Rizzo in many ways defined his career.
[edit] Lynnwood or Everett?
In his last fight they said he was from Everett, this says Lynnwood, which is right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.110.221.182 (talk) 09:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] 5 time champ?
On the wiki page it says he is the first 5 time champ in ufc history yet on the same ufc broadcast it said matt hughes is 9 time champ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.116.87.54 (talk • contribs).
- In their terminology, Matt Hughes won a title match 9 times. In Wikipedia, it means the number of times someone newly won a title, not counting title defenses. Hughes is a two-time champ in this sense. hateless 19:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Despite
I removed the bolded line from the paragraph:
On March 3, 2007, at UFC 68, Couture defeated then-champion Tim Sylvia by unanimous decision to claim his third UFC Heavyweight Title, this time at the age of 43. Couture, who used head-movement and boxing techniques, overwhelmed the larger Sylvia in both striking and grappling, including a knockdown in the first 8 seconds of the fight. Couture was able to take Sylvia down numerous times, which led to a 50-45 on all of the judges scorecards. This was despite repeated claims made by Tim Sylvia in videos shot to promote the fight, that Randy had 'lost a step' and had 'retired at the right time'. Couture's victory at UFC 68 made him the first five-time champion in UFC history.
If by despite, you meant, "without being affected by", then this sentence is redundant in its current location, as a reader can be left to conclude by the unanimous decision that Randy was not affected by the comments. (Perhaps he even was affected somehow... it would not be encyclopedic to pronounce either way, though.)
If you meant, "in spite of", then we'd be adding speculation. We'd be saying that Randy won "in spite of" Tim Sylvia's remarks. That is also speculative. It is not possible to describe the internal feelings about Tim's comments unless we can reference him as saying that he fought with Tim's comments driving him.
The only placement of this statement that I think could make sense is before the paragraph, by simply stating, "Tim Sylvia made repeated claims that Randy had 'lost a step' and had 'retired at the right time'." Sancho (talk) 17:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Christian
It's not exactly a closely guarded secret that Randy Couture is a practicing Christian. When I tried to quietly include him in the American Christians category, it was removed because there was no reference in the article. When I put in a reference, his thanking Jesus and the American GI's after his upset victory in UFC 68, it was removed as an unnecessary addition (which I generally agree with; I didn't want to put it there in the first place). I would prefer to just include the category and forego the information from UFC 68. I've found that categories are often used in wikipedia as a way to define an individual with no specific references in the article itself. It's a simple way to give more information without clogging up an article. Bbagot 06:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- For a reference, rather than a sentence added to the article, I think what was meant is a just a footnote that points to reliable, third party source that a reader could use to verify that our categorization of Randy Couture as a Christian is correct. Do you know of one? I just looked for one briefly, but couldn't find one.
- Also, those examples that you mention should also have such a reference in their article; if they don't, you could mention on their talk page that the article would be improved by adding one. Sancho (talk) 13:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
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- A few million people witnessed his speech after his win at UFC 68 earlier this month (taking into account possible multiple viewers at each set and a large number of sports bars) - "...I want to dedicate this fight tonight to two people. Jesus Christ who died for our sins and the American G.I. who steps up and dies for our freedom on a daily basis. This is for them!" There are threads on Sherdog discussing it, some running more than 30 pages. I also found a blog that quotes his words. The problem isn't referencing or else this article wouldn't exist. The entire Randy Couture article only has 2 references in it. Bbagot 06:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Yes, that is a problem (the lack of referencing in the article). Rather than add more unreferenced material, we should work on referencing the current material I think. The references aren't for the benefit of the few million people who watched his speech, they're for the five billion or so people who didn't watch his speech, and can't rely on our honesty when it comes to the addition of material to Wikipedia. Sancho (talk) 06:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- I just re-watched the post-fight. He actually said: "People say why do you love America so much? It's because of two people: Jesus Christ, who stood up and died for our sins, and the American GI, who stands up and dies for our freedom." It's referenced in this article: [1]. Sancho (talk) 06:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Thank you. So what happens now? I'd still prefer to only add the category. I doubt Vega will want to remove it now that he knows there's a source and the statement is true, even if it's not included in the article. What's the best way to do this that doesn't step on anyone's toes? Bbagot 21:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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