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[edit] Happy New Year

Happy New Year, Nirav! --ΜιĿːtalk 08:05, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Happy and prosperous New Year to you and your family - as wishes had come on this page - though you desired that this page be not disturbed, I came to wish you. Have a nice time around, and please talk to me sometimes. --Bhadani 13:23, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you too! deeptrivia (talk) 05:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dharsana Satyagraha

Thanks very much for responding. Let Gods' blessings be always on you and family for ever. Intend going back to India by about May.

--Dore chakravarty 17:43, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Articles improvement

Sure, Nirav! I'll soon have a look at those articles. Cheers :) deeptrivia (talk) 08:10, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Hinduism

Hi Rama's Arrow, I seen that many of your contributions to Wikipedia have been Hinduism-related. You may consider joining the Hinduism WikiProject. Help is always needed and joining is always welcomed! DaGizza Chat 11:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pro Wrestling WikiProject

User:SWD316/PW welcome

SWD316 talk to me 00:59, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel

Well, have done the naming part in detail for you. Will look into it further a bit later (somewhat tiedup at the moment). -- Rgds. ΜιĿːtalk 08:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Political integration of India

It could become an FA. From my quick look, I can suggest the following:

  • Ensure that each paragraph is atleast 5-6 lines (preferably even larger) A few big paragraphs is better than a large number of small paragraphs, which makes the article look fragmented. Consider merging some paragraphs.
  • The lead should provide a summary of the whole article, and should be atleast 3-4 times its current size.
  • Maps showing the states, regions, etc being talked about in the article is an absolute must. (e.g., see this map. It's under CC license. We'll need one which is more clear though.)

Many people at FA vote will look at these things even before reading the article. Having only two references is considered quite serious too. I'll try my best to contribute! deeptrivia (talk) 18:43, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Good work! You can request for peer review now, and also mention about it at the Indian noticeboard. After incorporating all the suggestions from the peer review process, it will be ready for FA nomination! deeptrivia (talk) 00:40, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, we'll have to find/make maps that show the overall situation in 1947 (all the princely states, e.g., [2]), and illustrations of what happened after each reorganisation. I don't think we'll be able to get permission to use this map, since it is a commercial site. Probably you'll need to request someone good at making maps (like User:Nichalp or User:Deepak gupta) to make one based on this one. deeptrivia (talk) 01:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Take a look at this. If this can be reproduced, it would be awesome. deeptrivia (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Wow, great job! If the Spanish could be changed to English, it would be perfect. But it's okay the way it is too! deeptrivia (talk) 17:06, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Sure, "Rama"jee, I would happily try to contribute to the best of my knowledge and ability. It is a nice topic and a good one. --Bhadani 11:10, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Political map of British India

Hi Nirav! I found a couple of images on the political map of British India but they all represented India between the period 1935-1940. It shouldn't be very hard to recreate those images. Also note that you can use copyrighted images in Wikipedia by using the {{fairusein|article name}} tag. This tag also requires a detailed fair use rationale. Please see Wikipedia:Fair use. Cheers --Deepak|वार्ता 08:02, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Nirav, would like to second what Deepak said above. For a re-creation, a good (and manageable) reference or image will be required, also keeping in mind that there was so much diversity at that time that it can get pretty confusing to detail out everything on a single snapshot. On the other hand, you may consider something (simpler) like this which seems to be a scan of a newspaper clipping, and thus could be easier to classify under fairuse, I suppose. Also, you may want to have a look at British Raj which has some useful info regarding the topic in question. --ΜιĿːtalk 08:34, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy new year

Wish you and your family a Happy New Year '06 and best of life for ever. I am slghtly active on the Eng Wiki for some time and shall revert shortly.

--Dore chakravarty 20:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Game of chess

It's not all that bad, but if I can think of an alternative, I'll discuss it with you. deeptrivia (talk) 21:04, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review and other things

Hi, good show, I've responded on peer review. I'm tied for the next 2 months or so and hence wd not be in a position to make the edits I proposed. All images published in India before and including 1945 are Public Domain. As for getting fair use maps re-drawn into GFDL versions, the best persons for the job are either Nichalp or Miljoshi. All the best, --Gurubrahma 07:23, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll look at the article on Friday, not this weekend as I'm going home for Pongal. Will come back on Tuesday. I believe that you'll be able to bring it to FA quality by Friday. I'll do some copyediting. All the best. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 04:24, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Nirav, a couple of points further to the comments on the peer review page:
  • consider that one of the most significant concerns of Lord Mountbatten was that of a civil war in India at the time of independence - this was one of the major challenges for the integration.
  • Sardar was called "The Bismark of India" by Lord Mountbatten for the successful unification (and also in the Brit parlament, but I don't remember the exact quote or reference for that).
btw, I have made some reaggangement of images on the page for the sake of readability. --ΜιĿːtalk 19:15, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


Hi, I am just visiting to say that I greatly admire the amount of work you have put into crafting this article over the past few weeks. Very good work indeed, and my best wishes. ImpuMozhi 22:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Intro
Okay, I'll make the edits that i think are required in the intro. In my opinion, it won't hurt to give some more time before putting the article as an FA candidate. One criterion for FA is stability. The article should have been more or less stable in the recent past. deeptrivia (talk) 04:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conflicting agendas

Your msg.Hi Gurubrahma - I have a fresh problem/question regarding the "Conflicting Agendas" section in Political integration of India. I'm afraid that once nominated for FA, this section will possibly provoke Pakistani editors. While some might simply demand to insert the views of Pakistani historians to equate R. Gandhi's postulations, a worse-case scenario is that it will be vandalized or disputed. Also, it does seem to capitalize on Patel's attitudes, which while as Minister of States is center to the article, it is not exactly balanced. I'm asking for your advice here becoz I'm afraid enough not to raise this question on the peer review page, which is displayed openly. Please be frank about your thoughts regarding this section. I'm not raising this doubts just becoz I want this article to win FA status, but becoz I fear a serious problem arising which will kill the integrity of the work. According to your advice, I/we can make the necessary corrections (i.e., addition of views of reputed Pakistani historians...). My reply: Look at any FA, it changes a lot both during the process and after it becomes a FA. Mahatma Gandhi itself is an example ;). More seriously, I find this section to be perfectly okay and balanced. Vandalism is a fact of life here, a look at the history of Mahatma Gandhi article for the last one week would confirm what I am saying. Vandalism does not depend on the quality of an article, it depends on the predilections of the juvenile personalities bent on vandalising. If anyone starts adding bull$#.., it will be reverted, period. If I were you, I'd worry more about adding in-line citations (even if it is one source, the relevant page no.s are quoted). I am not in the know abt the views of Pakistani historians. Why not enlist the support of Ragib? I believe he is very knowledgeable. All the best for your FA nomination, it's past bedtime here, ...zzzz, --Gurubrahma 18:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks a ton...

...for your thoughtful gesture, Nirav. As you would realize, this means a lot to me. Some time back I read on your user page that you are in advanced weights training - I do hope and sincerely wish that you become a celebrity so that I can start an article on you. btw, I forgot to add, Ragib hails from current-day Bangladesh, is currently in the United States and he is usually very reasonable in the stand he takes. --Gurubrahma 07:34, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

My comments: Life is a flow, and we all must flow, and not drift. --Bhadani 09:49, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks, Nirav for the barnstar. Right now I am looking at the introduction of Political integration of India. deeptrivia (talk) 16:36, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

FA nomination
Hey Nirav. I think it is a good idea to let 2 - 3 days to pass without any more comments/suggestions at the talk page. One suggestion I can give right now is to reduce the number of hyperlinks.
*Ensure that each important keyword/name is wikified only once, the first time it appears.
*Ensure that links conform Wikipedia:Only make links that are relevant to the context. e.g., maybe it doesn't make sense to wikify "Europe".

I've removed some links in the top part of the article. It would be good if you ensured there are no duplicate ones. Regardless of how well written one makes the article, there are many major changes that have to be made during the FA nomination process. So get ready for that. And definitely ask Nichalp before nominating. He has probably written more featured articles than anyone on wikipedia. deeptrivia (talk) 01:01, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rama

Dear Nirav, as a fellow dear bhakta of Rama, I wanted to let you know that I added Adi Sankara commentary from the Vishnu sahasranama on the meaning of Rama. Please see, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama#Etymology

Raj2004 02:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem, Nirav another user, Dab also added a meaning too.

Regards,

Raj2004 00:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Hey, thanks for that. I hope I'll see you around the India-related pages and boards sometime. Regards, Saravask 04:35, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article

I went through it and made some minor corrections. Also changed many image tags. I think it is ready for nomination, although I am very sure that lots of unexpected issues will come up after the nomination when many fresh eyes (including those who know little about the events) see it (it's always the case), so you'll have to be on your toes during the process, making appropriate changes. So I would say, go ahead! deeptrivia (talk) 06:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some comments....

Hi Nirav, great work. Please address concerns from nixie wrt WP:MoS - this may take some time. Somehow, I feel that the opening sentence in previous versions was much better: This is what the opening sentence should contain, imo - It should talk of end of British rule, partition of India and right to self-determination given to princely states and thus set a basis for importance of political integration of India. Thousands of years may be considered POV, it should be buried much deeper in the text (I can also argue that India was never integrated in it scurrent form, because even during Ashoka's time, parts of South India were not integrated). I believe that the order of princely states should be Kashmir, Hyderabad and Junagadh as that is the order they are usually mentioned in, probly. because they show the three toughest integrations in the decreasing order of toughness. --Gurubrahma 07:22, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Nirav, I will take a look when I have a chance. It looks like a great article!

Raj2004 11:02, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FAC

Shall definitely do as suggested. It is a pleasure.

--Dore chakravarty 18:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FAC

The name of Frontier Gandhi (Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan) does not appear anywhere. Was he not active in politics? If I remember right he got his name as Gandhi due to his activities connected with some policies of M K Gasndhi. Please see how far I am correct and your requirement for the article. I have nothing more to say except for the fact that the artcicle does qualify for FAC.

Please see also link below for your basic information as I have nothing with me to give you except what I remembered above.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_(South_Asia)

--Dore chakravarty 22:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Wow! I was unaware of your work on this article! Unfortunately, GoI works are not in public domain, as we thought after the Right to Information Act. You can use them with {{fairusein|Articlename}} tag. By the way, I removed some noise on one of thte images. The best way to scan such things is to use "Scan document as Image" option instead of "Scan Image". Happy Republic Day to you too! deeptrivia (talk) 22:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FAC

Thanks very much. Noted the explanation please. It does qualify of course.

--Dore chakravarty 22:32, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Nirav, your article on the political integration of India is excellent. Here's one comment: I think India stagnated economically because of the socialist philosophies of Nehru. Vallabhai Patel, to my knowledge, was an American style capitalist. Had Patel or someone of his stature was there, India would have been better off. In the US, you had Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson arguing it out. The US constitution was a product of compromise. Hamilton wanted a strong centralized government and Jefferson wanted more power to the states. Hence, federalism was born, with some powers reserved expressely for the central government, i.e., federal government and some power reserved to the states. contray to what republicans and democrats say, this debate about less and more government has been going on for 200 years. Had India had Patel, then there would be a similar argument between Nehru and Patel and India may have been better off economically. I don't have any scholars to back this up. This is my opinion.

Raj2004 03:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of Hinduism

someone has critized the criticism of Hinduism in the Hinduism article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hinduism#factually_incorrect_view_of_Hinduism_and_reply I have retorted some of the charges. If you have more, please add.

Raj2004 03:14, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indian history wikiproject?

I have noticed that even important articles on Indian history like Mauryan Empire and Gupta Empire are in pathetic shape, if you compare them to something like Roman Empire. Even the main article History of India is not exactly in an excellent state. I was wondering if you support the idea of Wikipedia:WikiProject History of India. The project never really took off. I guess we must try to make it more popular. There are similar history wikiprojects like Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Poland, Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Near East, Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Egypt, etc. I think it is important to have good quality history articles. deeptrivia (talk) 01:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lothal

I'll have a look at Lothal and give you my feedback later in the day. Wish India a wonderful Republic Day. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:16, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I'm all for it. We can make it into a featured one! In the project the best thing to do is to focus on non controversial articles to save energy. There's a lot of manual labor to be done (maps, infoboxes, creation of articles, etc), and any controversial issues will only slow everything down. The project has a huge scope from Mehrgarh culture to History of Republic of India. There are many important articles completely missing. I think it is best to standardize things (sth like Wikipedia:History standards for China-related articles) in the beginning of the project, so that any efforts done now are not wasted later (in order to conform to standards.) deeptrivia (talk) 05:31, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I will surely try to do depending on my knowledge of the subject. And, greetings on our nation's Republic Day. --Bhadani 07:19, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

I'm sure it's definitely not PD-self, since it is derived from a copyright source. I think a tag like the one on Image:Cityplan2.png should not be objectionable. deeptrivia (talk) 18:02, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured

Congrats. Political integration of India is now featured! -- Sundar \talk \contribs 09:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes! Excellent work you did there; another one for the India trophy box. Saravask 15:56, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Congratulations - a really nice work. Now, you repeat the same with Lothal. --Bhadani 17:33, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Congratulations! Cool effort. Nice color images on the article btw. - Ganeshk (talk) 19:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Congrats! Good effort and considerable improvization since the last review. Also, best of luck for retaining the status :-) --ΜιĿːtalk 09:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lothal

Yes sure, I shall carefully read Lothal, including a litle search here and there, and shall try to give some inputs. --Bhadani 17:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rama PR

I'll look at Rama sometime and respond at the PR. All the best. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:15, 1 February 2006 (UTC) Nirav, I'll take a look when I have a chance.

Raj2004 11:15, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Jus' back from my wikibreak, will have a go by next week or so, though I am wary of mythological figures due to WP:V issues. As far as Gandhi goes, I felt that the original FA version was succinct and to the point. I do hope that your efforts would be helpful in reducing fancruft. Do start work on it asap; people will complement your efforts as many have it on their watchlists - however, before making any changes, do check for recent vandalism; it becomes that much more difficult to remove vandalism if good edits are added later on. Congrats on FA for Political integration of India - I always knew that it was a case of when and not if. --Gurubrahma 15:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please keep barnstar

I have removed that userbox. Sorry if it offended you but it was more of a joke. I am an Indian living in Australia and do not have a strong view on American politics anyway. Also political beliefs (actually any beliefs eg. religion, controversial issues etc.) should not be a barrier between two Wikipedians handing out barnstars. Once again I am sorry if I offended you deeply. DaGizzaChat © 11:58, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] FA work

Nirav, I am trying to make Karma in Hinduism and Vishnu sahasranama featured articles as well. If you have knowledge of the subject, please improve them.

Regards,

Raj2004 01:23, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Nirav, thanks for the suggestions! Wow! That's a lot of work to do! I am not sure if I have that much time. As for swami's comment, Swami Sivanda is showing an Advaita interpretation of karma.

Thanks, Raj2004 13:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I reorganized the Literary sources section in Rama.

Raj2004 15:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Nirav for the suggestions! Jai Shree Ram!

Raj2004 21:11, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Nirav, like you I am a passionate Hindu. I was born in the US and got tired of misconceptions of Hinduism by outsiders; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hinduism#factually_incorrect_view_of_Hinduism_and_reply


Raj2004 16:56, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindu Wikipedians

Harih om. I saw you and I just wanted to say that it is great to see Hindus getting directly involved in Wikipedia. Thats all, thank you. --Shell <e> 02:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article creation

I have been looking through the list of unwatched pages (available only to administrators) and found 1946 Cabinet Mission to India. I see that you created this but were not watching it. You may want to go to your preferences and under the "editing" tab turn on "Add pages you edit to your watchlist". This will enable you to keep an eye out for any edits that are made to pages you create and help to revert vandalism. If you do decide to turn it on can you please drop me a note on my talk page so I can cut down my excessive watchlist (6000+). Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 18:33, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 22:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hey, thanks for nominating Kerala for WP:TFA — it must have taken you a long time to condense/copyedit the blurb. I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing your own masterpiece make it to the front page. Good luck! Saravask 02:31, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Hindu

Hey Nirav. User:Socialworker's concerns are completely baseless. The user is either misguided or believes in the caste system. Talking about the caste system, I think that's the only reason because of which the Indian society remains divided and lacks unity - hampering growth and social harmony. The caste system is a bitter truth but was never a part the Vedic religion. The Vedas divided the society into 4 classes to divide the work among people. If everybody becomes a King (refering Kashtriya) then who will construct roads (refering Shudras) and who will look over the economic progress (refering Vaishyas). These classes were made to divide work among Human beings similar to modern day professional classifications. But over the years, these professional classes got converted into social castes as Kashtriyas ended up being more powerful and Brahmans ended up being more knowledgable. Certain people, mispreached the concept of this classification of the society in order to attain certain materialistic pleasures. The caste system is completely opposite of Lord Krishna preaches in Bhagavad Gita. Lord Krishna says that wise men are those who see everything in equality. The caste system is completely opposite of this and contradicts Krishna's teachings. I consider the Bhagavad Gita as the most sacred Hindu text and for me that's the only source to learn the Hindu way of living. The caste system is a social evil created by human beings and Hinduism is a religion which was created by the Supreme Being. Mixing up the two concepts is like saying Satan and Lord have similar ideologies --Deepak|वार्ता 02:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the Hindu article needs some revisions. Problem is that my exams are coming up and I have a lot of work to do. So I wouldn't be able devote much time to Wikipedia. I did add some images to the article recently but a lot of cleanup work needs to be done. Bhagavad Gita is an amazing book. I must agree, unlike other religous texts, Gita is scientific and logical. Everytime I read the Gita, I ask myself a question - How was the universe around us created? And everytime I get the same answer, the very supernatural spirit we are all a part of, created it. How? - perhaps it's better if some questions remain unanswered. --Deepak|वार्ता 03:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mahatma Gandhi PR

Hi, am sorry if my comments come across as blunt, but you seem to be doing the same thing that you did when you were adding stuff to that article as an anon, the only difference being that you're cutting material now. There is no hurry; please wait for a week or so for comments and then incorporate them. Else, it looks like you've asked for peer review just for the heck of it. Once you make wholesale changes, it wd be difficult for people to suggest something else, precisely because you've put in so much time and effort. --Gurubrahma 18:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Open tasks in History of India project

I'll have a look at the Mahatma Gandhi article. Looks like there have been some heated discussions on it recently. Just to update you on the current status of the project, here's a list of the current open tasks. Please contribute towards completing them, and feel free to add more to this list. deeptrivia (talk) 04:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Open tasks for History of India
[[edit]]
Top priorities
[[edit]]
Editing /
formatting
[[edit]]
Missing articles
[[edit]]
Expansion
[[edit]]
Merges
[[edit]]
Discussions
[[edit]]
Maps
Panchala

Panchala Kingdom

 Template:HOIOpenTasks/Discussion
Routes, Wars, etc.
[[edit]] Recently Updated [[edit]] Other requests
Pictures


Timelines

Stubs
Try to get the number of stubs in Cat:Indian_history_stubs down to <100 by either expanding them or merging them.

  • History of the Travancore Dynasty

[edit] Hello

Hello, I found your name at wikiproject:hinduism, and was hoping you might join us at talk:human, where things have become rather unbalanced and unrepresentitive of humanity as a whole. Hope your interested, Sam Spade 17:09, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mauryan Empire

Hey Nirav! The article is already looking good! Why don't you discuss it at WP:HOI, and also add it to the top priority list? That way we'll have some activity happening at the project page, and there will be more support for the article too. It would be good to make contributors feel that they belong to the project in these early stages before their enthusiasm fizzles out :)) See you later. deeptrivia (talk) 01:07, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics of India

I started this project to create and expand articles related to the Indian politics. I hope you would join and contribute. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 07:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for joining in. I was suprised not to see one too. - Ganeshk (talk) 08:01, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] drastic v pov

in fact, the editor cited one source. it doesn't seem like POV to me, although drastic certainly applies. aa v ^ 03:36, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gandhi PR and thanks

I'll definitely look into the PR. And thanks a lot for your barnstar. :-) -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

70.108.26.159 12:52, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions on Kargil

Tx for the comments and ur vote. Regarding the See also section, I feel that while i can incorporate 2 of the 3 given in the article, the remaining Sino Indian War either has to be totally removed or added somewhere just for the sake of adding it with an orphan para. Thus, I chose to group it with two others. Any ideas on this would be good.

The one suggestion I am unable to work on is the language since for all my proficiency I'm not at the proofreading level, so I had no option but to ask others to slightly improve the overal vocabulary etc. Already a few have made many small edits to improve it. Hopefully, if the article does not make it FA, it'll atleast be nominated as a good article. Cheers. Idleguy 06:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mahatma Gandhi and your message

Hi, it is next to impossible to prevent forks being created or people carrying on with their editing, unless you are in constant communication with the users. Also, as you know, the article was in a bad shape for a long time, when you were editing as an anon. I believe that you are being too hasty in reverting without discussing with people. For example, Pournami split the first sentence of the lead to have the spiritual aspect in another line but you reverted it. I don't find the reversion to be bad form per se; however, since you are trying to restore some sanity to the article you should probably go that extra mile in taking people into confidence. If I had been in your place, this is what I would do. Provide the diffs of the article when it was FA and the latest status; in fact, I'd probably revert it to the FA status version after seeking consensus and by adding new facts/ deleting outdated information from that version by comparing it with the latest. Surely the FA status version would have been much better than the current version; else, it wd not hv become a FA in the first place? Why should we re-invent the wheel? The way you have gone about, where more than 10 edits are made per day, makes it very difficult to understand what has been changed and what has been retained. Also, please keep in mind that once the sprotect is removed, we'll hv to contend with vandals as well. There seems to be some issue about peer review not being the appropriate forum but FAreviewprocess beng the one. I'm not sure I follow it but I think that is what I understood from Sundar's edit to talkpage of that article. I'd advise you to go slow again. --Gurubrahma 07:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it's inappropriate to use the peer review process instead of the FAReview process, but I did that to get more focussed review from reviewers who are conscious that an older version was featured. But, it's not necessary that the featured version is the best possible version, partly because the bar for featuring was much lower earlier. Let me comment in the peer review after reading the article completely. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:20, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Semiprotect of Gandhi

You semi-protected the page, but somehow these anonymous vandalising edits were possible: [6] and [7]. Have you an idea how that is possible? Lambiam 15:33, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I see the article is featured. I've removed the sprotect. Lambiam 15:43, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Political integration of India

Have you seen Talk:Political integration of India/Comments? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:32, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mahatma Gandhi

Hi, I was only saying that just as you were adding stuff as anon, others would also be doing so as well and that it is very difficult to prevent that from happening. I know that it can get very frustrating at times and that's why I asked you to go slow. I still feel that we should compare it with the old FA version, but we can always agree to disagree. You may already know that the semiprotection was removed by another admin and I've left a mesage on his talkpage. I see from the above that you may need to spend some time on Political integration of India. I will be making my comments on the peer review of Gandhi but I would not be expecting your response as I understand that you may need to spend more time on Political integration of India. --Gurubrahma 14:17, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

Please see my response to your message on my talk page. --Bhadani 16:23, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Nirav, for your support! Please see my comment on Bhadani's talk page. Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 16:54, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Okay, Nirav. I'm touched :) What about this plan: Give me time till March 24 (just an arbitrary but fixed date). In the mean time, let's nominate user:Sundar, user:Ganeshk and user:Miljoshi. I can easiliy remember the great job done by user:Miljoshi with maps and logos, and I always thought user:Sundar was already an admin! Apart from the reason I cited before, I must add that these days I am quite burdened with studies and research (that's the reason i haven't been able to look into the Mahatma Gandhi article and ImpuMozhi's comments on PII yet), and hopefully I'll have more time in a month. Let's make it a deal, and I hope I'm not being rude :) Take care, deeptrivia (talk) 17:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
user:Sundar is already an administrator - so you thought all right. And, fine: you can not escape after 24th March 2006 - I shall be celebrating my wiki-birthday on that day. we all shall have a great party! By the way, I request all the active users to come forward to take up admin responsibility - the Project requires many more administrators. --Bhadani 17:50, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a ton, both of you!! deeptrivia (talk) 17:53, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

You may want to take a look at this. btw, Sundar was an admin even before most of us became members. As far as Miljoshi goes, it is early days yet, but I hv no doubt that he will make a fine admin - I gave him the exceptional newcomer award as well--Gurubrahma 19:24, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Nirav, I really would like you to believe that my comments on PII are not actuated by any personal rancour -- what could it be? Surely we have never had any issues till date? Part of the problem is my nature: to make no negative moves as far as possible, to liberally package any criticism in good words, maybe these give a wrong impression. I don't know if this is any comfort, but I have strongly felt that the article is unfocussed and sub-standard, and that it should have dealt with Princely states-French India-Portugal-Sikkim and ended there. I several times suggested this, but you received my very first suggestion with an unseemly "hehehehe" and never accepted any one thing that I suggested. Naturally I stopped suggesting, and waited for the demise of the effort to elevate the article -- I was sure it would fail. Apparently, there are crowds of people out there who, like me, cannot be easily induced to incite disaffection; also, most people have little knowledge of the matter (and will probably treat an FA as gospel). I finally had to take a stand. I suppose I might have remained quiet even now, but as I said, FA ought to approximate to gospel. Anyway I did what I felt was right, and I hope you will not hold it against me. I do hope this 2-day incident will not preclude our being friends in future. Regards, ImpuMozhi 21:12, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats!!

PII is on the main page as the FA. Great show!! However, ImpuMozhi's comments above need to be addressed - he has quoted from an equally reliable source, imo. Also, I'd like to say that I have interacted with him on many an occasion and found him to be pleasant - I had awarded a barnstar as well to him sometime back. As far as Indian admins go, I had indicated to Ganeshk some areas of improvement just a couple of weeks back and he is working on that. Instead of speed, I'd like to see success and at the present moment, only Tintin would sail through 100% but he'd prefer to wait. I'd like to give the prospective candidates some time to go through several admin related pages to get a hang of what the things to be done are and what they would be interested in doing. Anyways, I'm expecting the users to drop a note on my talkpage either way once they see my note on the talkpage of WP:INWNB. I'd rather want all the candidates I nominate to sail through rather than falter. btw, you replied to my admin sub-page on an archive; I moved it to my talkpage. --Gurubrahma 07:27, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Clarification

ermmm that would be me... sorry! you see, I paste my comment into the edit window... and on saving wikipedia reported a conflict (you were editing too)... the edit window showed the entire discussion page... and I guess I did not check properly where I was pasting. :)

hydkat 08:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Be calm

What was that about?


[edit] Bangalore peer review

Hi Nirav,

The Bangalore peer review is in its final phase...a lot of work has been done to revamp the article and I like the way it stands as of now. I wanted to thank you for your continued support and contributions in improving the quality of the article. I am working on minor touch-ups, as necessary, and should be in a position to nominate it for FAC tomorrow (2/20). If you have a few minutes at your disposal, could you please give the article one last review before the FAC nomination? Thanks a bunch! AreJay 03:31, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:IndiaFreedom changes

Thanks for shifting Revolutionary movement for Indian independence from the Philosophies to Events and movements in the template.In fact, when I was creating the article and Category , I had a feeling that it does not fit in the philosophies section.And also you sis contract the name beautifully.Revolutionaries is a short form but conveyes the meaning conveniently.Bye.--Dwaipayanc 20:06, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Revolutionaries

Hi.I have started artcles under the category of Revolutionary movement for Indian independence.articles like Anushilan Samiti,Jugantar,Surya Sen,Bagha Jatin,Benoy Basu,Dinesh Gupta,Chittagong armoury raid,Bengal Volunteers,Badal Gupta,Bhagat Singh etc have already been created and categorized under the aforesiad category.After building up of a sizable number of articles, the main article Revolutionary movement for Indian independence will be easy to improve and lots of links can be created in blue, and not in red!Can you please visit the articles and try if the main artcle can be written well and chronologically so that the whole thing looks good?The main article needs a lot of work and very good writing, as this is going to be the main window for linking up all the articles relating to the revolutionaries.It is just the beginning.Hope Wikipedians will contribute adequately so that Revolutionaries do not face early deletion.Thank you.--Dwaipayanc 07:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Please see Revolutionary movement for Indian independence where I have added some parties and events/cases.However,I could not add much on individual cases.See this [8]-I got the name of the cases from here.My sources have largely been Banglapedia like this one - [9]. We need to consult more sources for factual details and significance.This is a quite big task.Help needed.Bye.--Dwaipayanc 11:37, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks and bye.--Dwaipayanc 14:49, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Feedback for Political Integration of India

Nirav, I enjoyed your article Political integration of India. It was a tremendously great read. Pity I found Indian history so boring back when I was in school. Sadly, there was no Wikipedia (and no article written like this) back then.

Great job, and looking forward to your other articles!

Arun Philip 08:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Wishes

Thanks for your wishes, Nirav. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:48, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lothal

I am carefully re-reading the article Lothal - I find very little to add or to change. --Bhadani 14:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I'll have a more thorough look in a moment, but in return I would request you reconsider the use of userboxes that promote a point of view. While most people feel good contributors can use their userpage for most reasonable purposes, I strongly feel that on Wiki pages should primarily be focused on building the encyclopedia, and position promoting userboxes detract, rather than add to that. Besides that adding the Wikipedia:Babel templates would actually be helpful in facilitating requests for translation, etc. I assume you speak Marathi and perhaps Hindi--sometimes I need more opinions on my Hindi quandries. But of course please keep up the great work researching and expanding our articles. You've made fantastic contributions. - Taxman Talk 15:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I'll have a look at it, Nirav. FU images in featured articles may not be acceptable, I think. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:51, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, Nirav. Book covers are definitely acceptable and if we do not rely too much on FU images, it should clear that. All the best for the FAC. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks...

...for alerting me about Lothal - I will get to it in a couple of days. Posting it on WP:INWNB would be much bettr. btw, you may be interested in this - nice pic that one, but was cluttering Mahatma Gandhi. --Gurubrahma 17:56, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Arre baba, the diff is about my adding the img to another article; you jump the gun too often ;) --Gurubrahma 18:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
No, I thought you interpreted the diff to be my removing the image from Mahatma Gandhi. --Gurubrahma 18:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Well,...

This was long over due Nirav, especially after fine work on FACs and for starting Pattabhi Sitaramayya --Gurubrahma 11:00, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
This was long over due Nirav, especially after fine work on FACs and for starting Pattabhi Sitaramayya --Gurubrahma 11:00, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi, was planning to start an article on Pattabhi but never got around. Can you try and expand it as also suggest an interesting fact on Template talk:Did you know so that it can make it to the main page? I will also try to get round to it. Yes, there were a lot of things that we disagreed on and even now, we disagree on several things. However, it should not come in the way of my acknowledgement of your efforts in building a great encyclopedia. While I believ that I've always tried to be objective in assessing your edits, nothing says it better than the awarding of the original barnstar. So, here goes ....--Gurubrahma 11:00, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on getting the barnstar. By the way, to agree to disagree is an acceptable way of life. --Bhadani 15:34, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] merging

Hi Nirav, sorry if I've been a pain in the ass about the details of merging. Reducing the delay, of course, will diminish all of the problems. As they say on the radio, "I'll hang up and listen". Good luck with the proposal. ×Meegs 20:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lothal

Some minor issues to be fixed:

  1. Use &ndash; to instead of hypens to mark a dash
  2. Avoid beginning sections with left-aligned images.
  3. Avoid using left-aligned images from pushing headings to the right.
  4. I still feel you should reduce the number of FU images.

Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deepak Gupta

Hi, you may be interested in these diffs [10], [11] and [12] where an admin accused a new editor of being a sockpuppet of Deepak Gupta. Deepak has mailed me saying that he wants to clear his name. --Gurubrahma 15:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanx

for the appreciation and yes, I've now decided to accept the nomination for admin and have responded to Bhadani too on this matter. Idleguy 08:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for nominating Bangalore for WP:TFA...couldn't tell you how doing that slipped my mind! Great work on the Lothal article...you probably know from my profile that I'm a big fan of the Indus Valley Civilization..I know Indus Valley is in PR right now...maybe we should share some thoughts with the editors as to how they can improve the quality of the article. Thanks! AreJay 16:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Bagha Jatin

Hi! There has been a dispute recently on this article Bagha Jatin.You can see the talk page [13].The very first article written surely could not be kept in Wikipedia.However,a revised version (that is kept here ) is the article I want to talk about.The person who wrote the original version and also helped editing this version has given a LOT of references for proving his points.However,being a relatively new contributor to Wikipedia,he could not arrange the references in technically correct way.I have kept them the way those were given (after a bit editing).Some links does not work.My questiion is, if given proper refences, can this article be accepted in Wikipedia? If not, please let it remain in the temp page.We can work out later to properly wikify it.I needed someone who is technically superior and experienced in Wikipedia.Bye.--Dwaipayanc 06:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

I need to declare and take responsibility for this edit on Lothal. I got logged-out while making the edit, sorry about that. Slow connection. ImpuMozhi 16:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi Nirav! Thank you for the barnstar.I have been in contact with an academician who has great knowledge on the revolutionaries of India,especially Bagha Jatin.He also have in his collection some rare photos which he may be willing to share in Wikipedia.I hope the revolutionaries section will flourish to a great section.--Dwaipayanc 18:57, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Could you please visit the page Bagha Jatin once again?There is an ongoing debate there.The page being a Wikiproject History of India page, we should try to resolve the dispute. Please the talk page.The page is under RfC now and needs peoper mediation.Please also see Bagha Jatin/Temp3 where the proposed version is kept.Thank you--Dwaipayanc 11:33, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of Early Hinduism

You can nominate this for speedy deletion under G:7 (General #7 - author requests deletion) [14]. I still hope someone updates History of Hinduism at some point with a more robust discussion of the Pre-Vedic Aryan religion and it's synthesis with Dravidian and Indus religion and culture (Lingam, proto-Shiva worship etc) and eventually there is enough content for a true fork.--Isotope23 20:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

No problem at all.--Isotope23 14:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] S. R. Rao

Hi Nirav, as a rule, stubs are generally not included in DYK. Just explore the possibility of expanding it by sunday afternoon (UTC) to make it around 350 words long so that I can update it on Monday (that wd be the last day for updating as the article wd be 5 days old by then). Also when you are suggesting an article, only that article needs to be boldened, not other links in the suggestion. If my memory serves me right, he also deciphered the script used in that civilisation - you may want to check for that and re-organise the article into sections. --Gurubrahma 16:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I was also looking for any Padma awards that he won - there is another S R Rao, who won the Padma Bhushan for helping Surat get rid of plague; he was the municipal commissioner then. --Gurubrahma 16:42, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Wikiproject History of India}}

This template is to show that the corresponding article belongs to WP:HOI in the sense that anything related to it can be discussed on the project page. Since WP:HOI is not restricted to events in the Indian history, but Indian history in general, I would say it is appropriate to put it on anything related to Indian history, including people like Akbar or Ashoka, or historical places like Lothal, so that if someone has comments or questions, they have an appropriate place to go. In modern history, it can sometimes become tricky. E.g., of course, Rajiv Gandhi is a part of the Indian history, but perhaps the Politics of India wikiproject will be a better place for someone to discuss about that article. People from up to the 18-19th century would surely be totally relevant to WP:HOI. deeptrivia (talk) 18:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indian Independence Act

Nirav, I suggest that to get a full grasp of the ambiguity surrounding the Act's title and its relation to the political status of India and Pakistan in 1947-1950, I suggest you read both the First and Second Readings of the Act in the Great Britain House of Commons and if you haven't, the Act itself.

The question of technical British supremacy is brought up and answered - to a degree - Britain retained a slight amount of power through the Governor General in the wake of Independence Day - less power obviously in Pakistan with Jinnah as GG, but with Mountbatten the theoretical limits allowed in the act on interference in Indian politics could have been exploited, though they were not.

Members of both Houses of Parliament complained about the use of the word "Independent", as whilst India could indeed claim itself to be "Independent", automatic membership of the Commonwealth of Nations in its original form as well as its retention of Dominion Status and a Governor General does not classify it as independent as it would be upon the promulgation of the Indian constitution in 1950.

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Shikaripura Ranganatha Rao, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Gurubrahma 17:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heads-up

hi, on the mailing list of wikipedia, there was a discussion on having a holding period for anon edits, especially for FAs. I sent a mail drawing ppl's attention to Wikipedia:Defense of content. As the list is moderated, it is not yet in the inboxes, but I thought that i shd let you know so that you cd be around to answer if and when queries are there on that talkpage. btw, S. R. Rao should not have been moved to its current location, as according to WP:MoS and by practice, we have articles at the common names. Also, you may be interested in voting on a straw poll on WP:BAP for the DYK medal/barnstar. --Gurubrahma 17:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

S. R. Rao can stay at its current location, no problem, but keep it in mind for other articles. I'll see if I can move it to its older location sometime later, but it doesn't seem necessary at this point. You should never do a cut/paste move, as the edit histories are not transferred and it wd be a violation of the terms of GFDL attribution. Yeah, I was refering to the talkpage of defense of content. and btw, interesting message on Talk:Shikaripura Ranganatha Rao - I have responded, but it is worth a dekko from your side too. --Gurubrahma 17:52, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Holi greetings

Hi, I am wishing you a happy Holi, the unique Hindu celebration of color and brotherhood among all members of the humanity. The festival falls on 15th March 2006. I have collected A Gift Pack of Quotations for you contained in the sections Do things Differently & Something More , which are part of the on-going discussion pertaining to my nomination of Idleguy for adminship. You are aware of the tradition that if you throw colored water on flames of burning Holika, you enable a Prahlad to emerge from the flames!!! I again convey Holi greetings to you and your family!!! --Bhadani 14:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words and support during my gloomiest wiki-mood. My current Status is: Highly active Wikipedian as Wikipedia is a part of my life!!! Perhaps, I may be disappointing few by being so hyperactive, but I cannot loose so many friends by remaining not so active. I love you Wikipedia as I love her!!! --Bhadani 09:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] K. R. Narayanan PR

K. R. Narayanan has been moved to PR. Will you take a look? Thanks in advance. -Pournami 12:51, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Wikipedia:Defense of content

I hadn't seen that proposal before, thanks for pointing it out! -- Vary | Talk 17:18, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Time is dynamic

Once you had called me Rama - a human can not be a God, but you may have heard a verse from the Bible: God made his son (that is, the human being) in his own image. I also congratulate you to be there with Gurubrahama: Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2006-02-27/News_and_notes and User:Gmaxwell/report for raul654. Best regards. BTW, I have resolved to fight back and ensure that the Project wikipedia does not get defiled ever. We shall now pay the disruptive elements in their own coins, as we owe this to the donors who fund the Wikipedia Foundation. We have to keep the goodwill and the trust of the donors, and for this WE SHALL FIGHT. Yes, We shall continue to keep a watch in all the nooks and corners of Wikipedia to make wikipedia truly the sum total of human knowledge, and ensure that its credibility is not sabotaged by persons interested in disrupting the Project and driving out & away the genuine volunteer-editors and perhaps recruiting editors susceptible to pulls and pressures. We should move toward the direction of arranging a wiki-meeting of wikipedians in India, under the sponsorship of Wikimedia Foundation, inviting people from other countries. --Bhadani 17:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanx

Wow, thats twice today I forgot to sign. Thanx for the message. ImpuMozhi 01:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Wow that I found ImpuMozhi doing this: : image:tongue.png after giving me Rupee 120/- on my talk page. Got confused? --Bhadani 13:51, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Rs. 123/- image:tongue.pngimage:tongue.pngimage:tongue.pngdeeptrivia (talk) 14:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
What are you people doing on my talkpage????image:tongue.png Rama's Arrow 14:05, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
We have figured out a way to hack your talk page. Now we have the power to write whatever we want on it. deeptrivia (talk) 14:11, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Please stop or else I'll mass-mail everybody the secrets of your love-lives. Rama's Arrow 14:21, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
No, No.. it was only Rs. 120/-. Some people would argue in this way denying the obvious! So, let us build a consensus: it was Rs. 123/- or Rs. 120/-!!! By the way, your page has surely been hacked and it has become free for all! --Bhadani 16:46, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Bhadaniji, look closer -- therz a whole wad of 100 rupee notes in the picture. Correction: a wad of four notes. The coins are nakli. So how much does that make for? I always try to give appropriate gifts, especially in Munh-Dikhai :) :) :) ImpuMozhi 18:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Is it so? Let us continue building the consensus! --Bhadani 18:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
No, it's Rs. 103/-. The Rs. 20 note is nakli. Look it the numbers on it. ImpuMozhi, you are under arrest. You are surrounded by police from all sides. Sorry, Rama's Arrow. image:tongue.png. deeptrivia (talk) 18:28, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Wow and wow again -- howz that?? Bhadaniji urf wiki-Santa is running a goodwill-inspired press somewhere?? ImpuMozhi 18:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sardar Patel PR

Hi Nirav, sure I will add my comments/suggestions to the PR tonight. Thanks AreJay 20:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

It needs a good copyedit to give it the finishing touches. The opening paragraph on his date of birth for example does not flow well. I suggest you get another person to copyedit the article (Fresh eyes). Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:34, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

hi, thanks for your input on krn pr. I don't have anything helpful to add on patel pr, other than copyedit suggestions, which i hope you'll take care of yourself. good luck. -Pournami

[edit] Lothal

Nirav, regarding Lothal -- One of the references already cited (paper by Leshnik) can provide the much-needed "Other Voice" on this page. He suggests that the "Dock/harbour" was only a water-tank, and that the claims to international trade are fanciful and very weakly collaborated by archeological evidence. Of course, the paper is old and further artefacts may have been found, but even according to the Lothal page, the "harbour/dock" was only 806 sq.mtrs = 8700 sq.feet, the size of a pond, a small housing plot, a large swimming pool. Less than half the size of the "wearhouse". Do I understand right, that the dock at its maximum was only 4.26 mtr = 14 feet deep?? Was this the entrepot of inter-continental trade 4400 years ago??

Also, I gather that the town itself is too small -- only about 16 acres in size -- the imagined larger town is extrapolated on the basis of the discovery of a single well 300 mt away, which may have stood in the fields. Leshnik says it could not have housed a population of 15,000. Suggestion is that Lothal was blown up out of proportion since it was the first Indus-era site found after independence, in our part of undivided India. Me, I'm proud to have anything 4400 years old in my country, and brickworks and an intricate water-tank makes for engineering. I am content with that, and that's nothing small. The "other voice" is sorely needed, and I think including it can only enrich the article. Regards, ImpuMozhi 06:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Right, I agree on not blowing up Leshnik's or any other single work out of proportion. Also, in leshnik's case, question of dating comes up, because to agree that the structure was a water-tank system, it needs to have been built AFTER the river changes course (otherwise no point in taking so much trouble, when the river is nearby). Still, his points as to size, importance and difficulty in navigating narrow 90-degree bends are a valid view, IMO, and I am glad you intend to make mention of them. Regards, ImpuMozhi 14:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template: IndiaFreedom

Hi! It's good that you added some more pics to the template:IndiaFreedom, however, the overall look does not look good.I mean the pics look somewhat haphazard.Could you change the way the pics are located?--Dwaipayanc 19:53, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Waters

Hey, looks like a good idea! The seas and gulfs are not part of Indian ocean, so reconsider the heading. You can also add lakes and reservoirs. deeptrivia (talk) 03:13, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Excellent work! It's the most interesting template I have yet seen on wikipedia. Can we have some lakes in there too? Green Giant 03:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion on minor edits

Nirav, can you please mark edits like this as minor in the interest of saving time? -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rama Rama

Rama Rama mujhe koi mil gaya - a song in Hindi or something like that... BTW, your page is becoming a place where we some time come to relax from the serious business of creating the sum total of human knowledgwe. Do you remember Padma Khanna's Kaun sa Rang Dekhoge in Jonny Mera Naam. Then Bhadani was jawan... --Bhadani 16:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Hehehe...when Bhadani was jawan, Rama was not even born (pun intended....). Maybe like the "birthdays committee" idea, we can create a "Hasya-Kavi sammelan" (poetry and humor), helping folks to smirk and unwind. Rama's Arrow 16:48, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Please see my talk page for certain clarifications. Any number of apologies would not have changed the position - people oppossed him with a closed mind. --Bhadani 17:33, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats!

Congrats..Lothal is now featured. deeptrivia (talk) 04:08, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Your hard work has finally paid off. :-) -- Sundar \talk \contribs 04:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! Great job! <claps> - Ganeshk (talk) 06:56, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Congrats.--Dwaipayanc 17:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Congrats and all the best. --Bhadani 18:11, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the support...

...in my RFA. Good to know that you have ppl that support an editor's work. I'll continue to work on editing articles of contentious nature, since that's what I love and many of those who didn't support me had something positive to say about my contributions and I'm happy about it. Thanks. :-) Idleguy 04:08, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infrastructural concerns in Bangalore

Hi Nirav, I need your help QA'ing this article. As you are aware, questions were asked about the integrity of the information in the article, in the absense of references. Those were valid points and I have added those references to the article now. Please review the article and suggest changes/modifications if any. I am quite sick at having to deal with anon IPs literally demanding that I sit around all day addressing their concerns. Constructive input on what the article was lacking, I will readily accept. But a patronizing, accusatory tone, I cannot accept. They seem quite content in the comfort that they can delete whatever they dont' agree with. The last thing I want to turn this into is an edit war, since my focus right now is preparing Portal:India for FA. Thanks in advance for your input. AreJay 04:32, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Nirav, thanks for your input wrt the article. I am leaning towards the idea that the article needs to be moved to a new Infrastructure of Bangalore, where all aspects, positive and negative, of the city's infrastructure should be discussed. Although, having been to Bangalore recently, I would say that discussions of the city's infrastructure will probably have a tint of the negative since the situation is quite conspicious. You are right, Mumbai and Chennai do not have articles that relate to this aspect, although the FAC process has matured significantly since that point and a lot more scrutiny seems to be going into articles to address POV concerns these days. Thanks for your help with the issue, and congratulations on Lothal — I was wondering a couple of days ago why it hadn't been elevated to FA since all objections had been addressed.
BTW, noticed you're a Hit Man fan too — what can I say, great minds think alike ;-) AreJay 15:11, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Ouch, you caught me with GWB! Both my parents vote Republican though, so it's all good :-) AreJay 15:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of India

This has reference to your concerns about the attempts of some fellow wikipedians to re-write the history of the Indian subcontinent. They think that wikipedia may sab chalata hai (they think that anything may be added to wikipedia)! Under the circumstances, volunteer-editors feel cheated. --Bhadani 14:21, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

BTW I think you may be interested in Taj Mahal — The True Story. Have you read the book? --Bhadani 14:25, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Bhulabhai Desai, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Gurubrahma 14:25, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please

  • Template talk:User Hindu - perhaps you may be interested. I feel that a group is working to lower the utility of wikipedia and tarnish its image as a source of correct information. --Bhadani 15:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
You are most welcome - I was also not knowing, but when you raised the issue, I did a bit of search. I do not believe into Cabals, but there may be users/editors/administrators, who may be hearing the word Hindu for the first time and may think that creating a tempalate relating to them is derogatory to wikipedia. I am telling all these assuming the highest level of good faith. --Bhadani 15:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Yes, recently some articles on India are featuring as DYK, for example, S R Rao and Jatin Das.We have so many interesting stuffs, just that needs good representation! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 18:46, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] references

Declaration of the Independence of India is nice, but could you provide some more detailed refs, possibly with {{cite book}}, or at least including ISBNs? Circeus 19:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the comments — many useful changes resulted from the TFA time. Looking forward to seeing Lothal front-paged (I was going to nominate it, but I see you've already done it). Thanks. Saravask 19:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Hey Rama's Arrow/Archive2006, how is it going? Thank you for supporting my Request for adminship! It passed with a final vote of 73/1/1, which means that I have been granted adminship! I look forward to using these tools to enhance and maintain this wonderful site. I will continue regular article/project contributions, but I will also allocate a sizable portion of my wikischedule toward administrative duties :) Thanks again, and if you have any questions/comments/tips, please let me know! — Deckiller 04:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Hi Nirav. I wanted to thank you for taking the time to consider my RfA, which passed this morning. If there's ever anything I can help you with, just ask; you know where to find me. ×Meegs 06:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Infrastructure

The guy's a nuisance. I have been trying to dig up information on Bangalore's road and civic infrastructure for the last couple of days but have nothing to show for it. I will continue the research and at least move the article to Infrastructure in Bangalore later tonight. Thanks for the heads-up though and for rv'ing his recent edits. AreJay 02:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User name and rfa

Hi RA, this question is jusy out of curiousity. Why do support Rama so much, when you are a Shaiva from Gujarat? Also have you considered becoming an admin? You have been doing some great work here. GizzaChat © 03:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Now... that was a good proposal by Gizza, RfA. absolute support.--Dwaipayanc 05:47, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I would also support an RfA, I've appreciated your cool minded approach. Let us know if interested -- Samir (the scope) 00:04, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

WikiThanks

Thanks for supporting my RFA. I really appreciated the show of support and all the kind words from so many great Wikipedians. I hope I live up to them! -- Vary | Talk 17:31, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RFA

Thanks for participating in my RfA. It passed with a final tally of 98/13/10, just two short of making WP:100. If you need my help with anything, don't hesitate to ask.

Naconkantari e|t||c|m 23:16, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bangladesh peer review

Hi, I've started a new peer review for Bangladesh, please express your opinions at Wikipedia:Peer_review/Bangladesh. Thanks. --Ragib 05:29, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peculiar problem

Hi Nirav! I have a peculiar problem.I found out an article that deserves to be there as an external link to the article Cellular Jail.The article appeared in The Telegraph, on 8 March 2006.You can go to the site and click on the archive and put the date in the search box.The newspaper of that date appears.Click on the "Calcutta" Section.Then click the article named "Journey back to the island". The problem is the article appears alright, but the adress of the page remains same under all the archived article.So if you copy-paste the url to the external link of Cellular Jail, it does not link to this specific article, rather links to the newspaper site! Can you help?Thanks.--Dwaipayanc 06:07, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Turkish Literature FAC

Hi. I'm just leaving a message to say thank you for your vote of support for Turkish literature's featured article candidacy; I appreciate it. —Saposcat 07:00, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Welcome to rajput page

Nirav thanks for adding the categories. Are you interested in rajput history? Perhaps you would like to help out a bit as we are facing problems with certain editors on this page.

+10 000 thundering typhoons 07:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)+

Cool, you are a tintin fan too. Rajput page is witnessing a watershed between us and some people trying to give this page an Islamic bent. Sadly an Indian, Impumozhi is aligned with them (though I am not sure he is from India, perhaps Sri Lankan). Just make sure false propaganda does not sneak in, into this page.

+10 000 thundering typhoons 07:36, 13 March 2006 (UTC)+

[edit] Greetings

Holi greetings and please ask him to be ready for 24th March 2006, or to any other date – a Saturday afternoon or a Sunday would be fine. --Bhadani 13:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:War of Independence of 1857

Why you removed cat Pakistan movement from War of Independence of 1857? --Spasage 13:48, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I am sure that in 1857 there was nothing like the concept of Pakistan. The word Pakistan was not even created. --Bhadani 13:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
To be clear, the War of Independence is placed in History of Pakistan, not in "Pakistan movement" - which is clearly unrelated. Rama's Arrow 13:52, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] URGENT help

Hi! I am totally at a loss! My talk page has VANISHED !!! I cannot find out anything in the talk page.However, the history of the talk page is ok, with the last message from you stating the "category" recategorization of Indian freedom struggle related articles. I am totally confused! Is this some kinda bug???Please help.Please ask some administrators to help also! Bye--Dwaipayanc 14:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LOL

Ok, it's technical then! Anyway, thanks.It was like a horror movie, or, worse, virus attack.LOL.Bye.--Dwaipayanc 14:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Purna Swaraj, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Obli (Talk)? 17:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi!

Great job. You've done a lot of hard work. Does "History of ancient India" look a bit incorrect to you? I feel we could do with "Ancient India", like Category:Ancient Egypt and Category:Ancient Rome, or perhaps "Ancient history of India". Anyway, I think it will involve a lot of work, and if at all we decide to make a change, we can request a bot. By the way, it's high time you became an admin. Rest assured your RfA will be a cakewalk. I'll probably be all set myself in 10 - 15 days. Or we can stick to the previously decided date. deeptrivia (talk) 00:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I recently registered for AWB. I could help you with replacing category if you want. Do ask me when you decide to do it. - Ganeshk (talk) 08:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cat

Hi, Badal Gupta was from Dhaka, so I added back the cat Category:Bangladeshi people. Thanks. --Ragib

BTW, thanks for commenting on the Bangladesh peer review. --Ragib 03:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Problems

The problems we encountered yesterday were of technical type, and I had seen this happening earlier also. --Bhadani 04:49, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Holi greetings

Hello from an Indian wikipedian. I am wishing you a happy Holi, the unique Hindu celebration of color and brotherhood among all members of the humanity. The festival falls on 15th March 2006. By the way, I have been around here for about a year, including being an administrator from 18th September 2005. I request you to kindly do me the favor of providing me your valuable comments and suggestions on my contributions, activities and behavior pattern. I shall be awaiting your free and frank opinion, which you are most welcome to give here. Thanks. --Bhadani 04:56, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Your award to me (Image:Goldenwiki.png) including the accompanying citation, has made me overwhelmed with a sense of humbleness – Rama, I thank you for “praising” me so lavishly. I am working like you as a volunteer like thousands and thousands of other Wikipedians who are all working to build the “sum total of human knowledge” – we all are information-soldiers of humanity, and we shall continue to create the best encyclopedia in the world. To-day itself, a news item was published in The Hindu about wikipedia, and I shall shortly be sharing the news on the page defence of the contents. Thank you my friend! --Bhadani 05:25, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Nirav, thank you for the recent award you left for me on my talk page. It is truly humbling, and I just want you to know that your efforts in defending and improving the quality of articles is greatly appreciated. Have you thought about getting listed for RfA? If you're interested in it, then I think we should move in the direction of getting you nominated. Thanks again! AreJay 16:56, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Jay. Please come forward to take up the challenge - let us make the wikipedia the greatest encyclopedia. --Bhadani 17:17, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi — yes I will look into working on that to an FA, maybe as a mid to long term project. I would like to just get the article to a point where I don't have to battle fires everyday though, and I like the direction that the article is heading in right now. I may actually consider renaming the article City Planning and Infrastructure in Bangalore because I realized you can't discuss a city's infrastructure without discussing the city's layout and plan. Let's see how that goes...AreJay 22:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Nirav, thanx for your message mentioning the categories -- I will put pages into relevent sub-categories in future. As usual, a few points:

Let me know what you think. Regards, ImpuMozhi 23:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Demographic history

Hi Nirav, I think you will agree that something on the lines of "Decline of brahmins post-1947" or "Yadav history post-Mandal" can only be POV and quite unacceptable. Especially in a non-vetted environment like WP. Laloo's political ascendency is doubtless an interesting phenomenon; yet, it must be read, in future centuries, as "History of Bihar", not "History of Yadavs". That is the view we take of past centuries as well: history is the recounting of major incident in organic, linked societies and had best not be broken up into ethnic tractation -- that is why books on history typically devote themselves to regions and "religions (are) left randomly", as you say. Of course, interesting information on all ethnic groups need to be recorded; Mahuri and Chitpavan are nice examples. They are rightly classified under social groups of India and not under history at all. Don't you agree that this is right? Also, sex and diet are not demographics; their evolutionary history is part of "Sociology". Regards, ImpuMozhi 04:41, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Right, if articles like Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India exist, one might as well have a category devoted to them. I suppose I can agree with that. Regards, ImpuMozhi 14:58, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greetings

Holi greetings. Once more. --Bhadani 11:26, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] India: From Midnight to the Millennium

You have asked for citing source for the book India: From Midnight to the Millennium. There is no source for this article except that I read the book in question.--PremKudvaTalk 04:03, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Siddiqui RfC

I've filed an RfC against Siddiqui. Please support it by endorsing the RfC at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Siddiqui

अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 08:30, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Could you please...

Hi! Could you please see this, this and this and comment? It may lead to an interesting article ! Thanks.--Dwaipayanc 08:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hinduism FARC

Hi Nirav, Hinduism is currently FARC. I think it's a shame if it does get voted out because I believe it is an excellently written article. However, I do agree with the arguement that the article lacks in-line citations and adequate references. I will try and add references and citations to the article as I find them when I get back home tonight. Could use your help and valuable insight in this regard as well. Thanks! AreJay 22:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Yoir message - I would love to do this - but, the page requires a bit of attention at some places. I shall surely do this, plz give me time of few days. Meanwhile, AreJay shall perhaps be working on this page. --Bhadani 13:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rangpur cat

I think it the dismbig page shouldn't have the citrus category. It is confusing because the districts are definitely not in the category, so marking the disambig page with the citrus cat makes it more confusing. I suggest making a page for the citrus called Rangpurs, and marking that as citrus. Thanks. --Ragib 03:09, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD

Can you please take another look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chikkaveera Rajendra Tintin (talk) 14:26, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Everybody has the right to express their opinion. I am human and have many faults. This RfC process and all participants have the right to express their views. Don't worry I am not taking anything personal. Siddiqui 17:46, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Hi Nirav,

Some anon keeps removing certain cities from Template:Topics related to Kerala. I explained to him/her that the cities are in order of largest to smallest, but the anon simply reverted. For example, they removed Kochi, although it is the largest city in Kerala. What should I do? Thanks. --Khoikhoi 07:58, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick reply. Would WP:AIV do? --Khoikhoi 07:58, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok, gracias. Man you're fast. --Khoikhoi 08:00, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
He/She reverted again. :( --Khoikhoi 08:50, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I gave both of the IPs (who are probably the same person) Template:test4. --Khoikhoi 08:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I just talked with an admin. We'll see what happens. --Khoikhoi 08:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

You too! --Khoikhoi 09:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chikkaveera Rajendra

When you nominate an article for deletion and withdraw your vote, you should also mention that the nomination is withdrawn so that the discussion can be closed immediately. --Gurubrahma 10:26, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] India-gov-mil

Hi, we are not supposed to start stub cats by ourselves - you are supposed to propose them at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting - I guess it is because they need standardisation. Also, personally I feel that India-gov-mil isn't the way a stub should be titled - it should always have the word stub in the title (afaik). --Gurubrahma 10:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Creation of India stubs

In my opinion, it looks that way, because it in fact is a silly thing to do. There was active discussion of the suggestions, and it was by no means clear there would be a consensus for them exactly as proposed. You haven't even finished populating two of the stub types, before going on to create others -- unless, of course, your size estimates were incorrect, and they're both <40 articles for the immediate future. Even assuming your stub proposals were infallible, it would still be a poor idea to create them prematurely, as does so acts as a bad example for others doing likewise, perhaps with less enlightened ideas for new types. Once again, please do not continue to create stub types before the end of the discussion period. Alai 05:09, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid I will have to agree with Alai on this one. My preferred route would be to get the process itself changed rather than acting out of process. --Gurubrahma 08:48, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Need suggestions

Hello, I have seen your contributions in many threads across wikipedia. I was wondering if you could give your inputs regarding two issues:

  • 1) Currently couple of us are working pretty hard on making Kolkata article a featured article. However, their is a dispute in terms of how many images to use. I have made a post in the talk page regarding this and would really like to see your input on this so that we can resolve the issue and get the job done.
  • 2) I recently stumbled upon the ongoing debate in the Chandragupta Maurya article. I have thrown a bias flag on that article and explained my motives in the talk page. I would really appreciate to get your view on the matter.

(Blacksun 18:14, 19 March 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Visit India.

For your information.I will be in India (Chennai) between 30th April and end July. I will be visiting Gujarat also because my grand daughter is going to be a daughter-in-law for her father's sister's family staying at Ahmedabad. The boy is working in Singapur. My activities would be less during these periods.

--Dore chakravarty 02:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Username again!

It has been a week! Please tell me! GizzaChat © 06:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks a lot for the Barnstar. And thanks a lot for Surendranath Banerjea; I myself thought to start the article! Here is an interesting anecdote, the British onece called him "Surrender Not Banerjea" for his indomitable spirit ! I do not have any reference to this at this moment, so did not add this trivia in the article. I read this long ago in some book, but forgot where! Did you notice a news recently, that a new exciting archaeological discovery has been made in Bangladesh? In fact, they claim the new discoveries may be linked to Harappa -Mahenjodero !!! That must excite you, Mr. Lothal-man ! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 09:10, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] India

I've pruned the lead of the India article as it had some issues with the grammar. Inline citations are present in the form of {{inotes}}, and I shall address this issue tomorrow. A few things that could be added are sentences on military, flora and fauna and media. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:40, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sardar Vallabbhai

So what are the plans for this article? I noticed that not much work has been done recently. It seems close to FA. --Blacksun 21:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel National Memorial, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Cactus.man ✍ 09:55, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits on Ahmedabad

Yaar, your edits on Ahmedabad are uncited, please come and cite them! --Andy123(talk) 21:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the assurance. Do you join #wikipedia and #wikipedia-in? --Andy123(talk) 14:13, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammed Ali Jinnah

Ok I will try.

Right now I am busy fixing the World War II page and once that is done I will start fixing this up.

Mercenary2k

[edit] Jinnah PR

Hi Falcon007 - I need your help and advice in making Muhammad Ali Jinnah an FA. Please join the Wikipedia:Peer review/Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Rama's Arrow 17:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks and good to see this work in progress. I wish I could spend some time here on wikipedia these days but its difficult due to few things. I would hopefully contribute as much as possible. Thanks again. --Falcon007 20:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
    I haven't had a chance to read it, however, I started doing a background section a few days ago before I got distracted. You might want to check out User:Pepsidrinka/Sandbox to see if there is anything you wish to add. I don't know if I cited the material; if I didn't, the material is all from one source which I can obtain. When I get a chance, I'll give it a read and start to insert citations where necessary as well. Pepsidrinka 23:29, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Will work on it later. Just got back after a mini-vacation. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:38, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

You are doing a great job in fixing up the article on Quaid-e-Azam and as a Pakistani you have my sincere thanks.

Hi! Jinnah is improving greatly! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 14:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sardar

Hey, I made some comments on lead and early life section in the talk page. -Blacksun 20:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi - thanks for your input. Your points are quite valid and I will address them all and add some more material by tomorrow (I will have to go offline shortly). I hope you can check this article again tomorrow, and lemme know if/when I should go for the FAC. Thanks again for your valuable help. Cheers, Rama's Arrow 20:39, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
P.S. - if you have time, please have a look at Muhammad Ali Jinnah. I'm prepping this article for FAC too, and would very much welcome your critical analysis. Rama's Arrow 20:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I read few more sections and added my thoughts pertaining to it. I don't think I will be able to review Jinnah -- too busy for next few days. --Blacksun 01:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jinnah PR

No problem — it's always OK to disagree; my comments are always on a take-it or leave-it basis. Thanks. Saravask 18:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IRC

Could you join me on #wikipedia-in, just download Xchat, will work out fine by clicking on this link, otherwise, joining the freenode server manually and entering the channel. My request :) --Andy123(talk) 19:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to stand up for BBC News as a good source. But, I think Karthik has a point too. Only if he substantiates it with some good source. I am waiting for other users to turn up to the page, and post their opinions. I am currently having a chat with User:Aksi_great on #wikipedia-in. I hope, you'll be able to join us in some time. Regards, --Andy123(talk) 15:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jinnah FAC

I went through the article. Just one point, which you put on FAC as well. Jinnah was of course Indian. At the same time, was he not a Pakistani also? In the last year of his life, he happened to be a Pakistani. Now, can it be added in this way in the lead , "...was an Indian and "Pakistani" politician and statesman who led the All India Muslim League and founded Pakistan,". I know it sounds odd, but perhaps more true. You can think of any other way also. I mean to say, in the lead it is better to state he was an Indian as well as Pakistani. Now, I do not have really any "discontent" over this isuue, but, Pakistani citizens may have.

Without pointing out anyone in particular, there are persons, as we know, with POV of declining to believe the existence of "India" prior to 1947. You do not need to cater to that perception, but being politically correct is what I have in mind! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 15:41, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey Nirav, long time since we communicated! With regards to the FAC and the points raised by Dwaipayanc above, would it make sence to refer to him as a South Asian politican instead of Indian or Pakistani? Of course IMO, that term is just excess baggage for you during FAC, given the vagaries associated with it. I don't really care if we say he was Indian, since he was born in Karachi which was part of India at the time of his birth anyway. I guess let's just leave it status quo unless there are specific objections regarding his nationality. AreJay 16:23, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Lol, that's funny! Yeah, I agree with you on South Asian, unless some is really nitpicky, I don't forsee objections wrt his nationality during FAC. As far as audio, no clue — try Nichalp? He did the audio for Bharat and Hindustan in the India article. AreJay 16:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, unless there is strong objection regarding the nationality, it is better left status quo. If objections come, "South Asian" does not seem a good choice though. May have to include Indian and Pakistani. Just think similar lines in other articles: "Einstein was a German and American scientist."! Sounds weired, but "politically more correct".--Dwaipayanc 19:26, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Ambuj Saxena has done some audio, as far as I know.--Dwaipayanc 19:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I would be glad to help. Is it just the audio pronunciation. Confirm it and it will be done in minutes. BTW, if its just that small, then anyone with a microphone can do. I don't have any sophisticated recording instruments. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 17:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Done. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 17:48, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I myself don't mind until you make me a senior citizen and suggest retirement. BTW, hope you have checked the audio file to confirm that the pronunciation is perfect. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 10000

Hi. Just noticed that you have reached 10000 edits. Congratulations on reaching that milestone. You are doing a great job with Jinnah. Keep it up!! - Aksi_great (talk) 10:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on reaching five figures! You are now definitely a Wiki-Nerd, First Class. :P Green Giant 14:26, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey, teach me how to write some of 'em 'Featured Articles'. --Andy123(talk) 17:33, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Congrats on the 10k!--Dwaipayanc 20:14, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for your assurance. In that case, I will go for FAC. However, I will wait for 2 things. A last check up by Nichalp (probably will ocuur tomorrow). I'll contact him if needed. More importantly, let's wait for Jinnah becoming FA. Then you will be able to help whole-heartedly! I think both will take place by Monday-Tuesday. Bye! --Dwaipayanc 20:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, then will wait for Nichalp's nod. Basically, first FAC! A bit nervous!! LoL. Hope everything will work out. So keep some time aside for helping from Monday onwards. Blacksun has also been poking for a while.--Dwaipayanc 20:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi! It's there. --Dwaipayanc 17:45, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Yes, I do not have any worry on criticism. I have worries if I will be able to give time, if needed! What's your next agenda? Sardar Patel is waiting, I guess. Then, Ahmedabad? Or something else? --Dwaipayanc 17:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow! Tha's great. Jinnah, Patel, Kolkata— three India related articles on FAC. People will be rather astonished! With, Tagore and Bangladesh just passed, it is South Asia all the way! BTW, I think we should be more close friends. You can mail me, my email is there in mu user page. --Dwaipayanc 18:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

That is already cited. follow the superscript "2" in the lead. It refers to a Univ of Berkeley paper.--Dwaipayanc 18:36, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
The indic text template is already there , under "External links" section.--Dwaipayanc 18:49, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Haha! I told you people will be astonished by the number of South Asia related articles ! Well, "Bangla" is a more Bengali word. I mean whwn we speak in Bengali, we refer to our language as "Bangla", while the english name of Bangla is Bengali. However, nowadays "Bangla" has become an English word, I think.--Dwaipayanc 04:38, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey. Any idea about how to add the IPA pronounciation? I am always at a loss deciphering those cryptic notations. Ambuj has added the audio files of the name.--Dwaipayanc 12:03, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks. The article could not have reached half as good status unless you people helped so greatly. Ambuj told ne he cannot do the IPA. anyway, I will be asking Ragib and Shmitra. One of them did it for Bangladesh. Probably they know how to do it. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 19:44, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Regarding the objections of Grcampbell (talk • contribs), "the format of the references throughout the article is not consistent. Do we have a space between the reference and the period/comma, or is there no space", let's decide that we won't have a space. That is the norm, right? Since you have started working in response, I am not going to do anything right now (may lead to edit conflicts). You do what you want to do. Then let me know which areas you could not work on. I'll try to work on that. I will be signing off soon. So please message me as needed. I will attend next morning. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 18:58, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I do not think there is any need of increasing the numbet of teference books just for the sake of increasing. If I happen to come across interesting/ useful references, of course I shall add. See my answer in the FAC page.--Dwaipayanc 05:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old Skool Esperanzial note

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jinnah

Hi there, whilst reading through the recent history changes, I noticed that you added the reference for Jinnah eating pork and drinking whiskey from KPS Gill's article. I know Gill is highly respected for his police skills but, reading that article I cannot but notice that the language sound very biased and he doesn't actually say how he knows that Jinnah did these things. To state that "Of course he did" suggests that he is trying to convince himself of such things. I would recommend finding at least a second source to back this up, but avoid the several other websites which copied that article. Green Giant 04:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome :) Green Giant 04:29, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza elections

Hi, how are you? I'm sorry to inform you that your vote was discounted at the Esperanza Advisory Council elections because your name was not on the list of eligible voters (member prior to April 6th). (Unfortunately, the message about the election was sent to ALL members, not just eligible voters.) If you feel this was a mistake for some reason, please let me know or leave a message on one of the relevant talk pages. Don't worry, there's always next election! Welcome to Esperanza, and let me know if there's anything I can do for you. :o) EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 07:44, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Now all right

Hello, Now I am all right. I am pasting a message below explaining my absence. I have also replied to your e-mail in this connection today. Best regards.

"My dear friends, I regret that I could not notify you about my absence. Actually, I fell sick suddenly on the morning of 3rd April 2006, and was confined to bed and was not allowed Internet access. Now, I am more or less in "shape". The problem was very serious infection. I missed wikipedia and wikipedians for three long weeks, and I feel really sad… for first few days, I even dreamt of wikipedia! I think that in next few days, my wiki-life shall become normal. I thank you for the concern and care, I know wikipedians are the most active virtual community, and Wikipedia is Better than the Best." --Bhadani 10:19, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Patel

I am doing. Will take some time.--Dwaipayanc 16:46, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Added some comments in the talk page of Patel. Please see.--Dwaipayanc 18:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry to say, but the section "Fighting for Independence" seems a bit over-stuffed. Not smooth-reading. I cannot specify but as a whole the section is not "brilliant" as your other writings are.--Dwaipayanc 18:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On Jinnah

Hey RamaArrow, sorry I didnt get back to you soon enough. I was kind of busy. Anyway I will do my best to refine the Jinnah article. I think it should become an FA, it just needs some "neutralization". Often, it will sound either pro Pak or pro-India and I would like to make it as encyclopedic and historical as possible. I'll get down it this weekend and make substantive changes next weekend when I have more free time. I have some good bios on Jinnah and wlll use what I can from there to help out. Once again, sorry for the delay. -Afghan Historian 18:08, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] EG's passing away

Sorry to hear about that unfortunate news. Judging from the userpage, he was your idol. I was never fully hooked onto WWE, or the predecessors, because it bored me after I knew it was not "true". I originally supported Hulk Hogan then The Undertaker though I watched the battle for number one heavyweight fights between The Rock, Kurt Angle and Triple H with interest.

What his death should inspire you to do is to make his article an FA. Best of luck. GizzaChat © 00:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Life

Life and death are one and the same thing - I am back and one day I shall go for ever: life is a flow and it shall continue to flow... --Bhadani 06:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sure

I am thinking to give you my mind very shortly about your adminship, and all other issues. Jai Shri Ram. --Bhadani 14:41, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IIM - tough job ahead

Hi! IIM needs thorough revision. The article is not good, at least, not well-organised now. See the peer review. Have to think out a way.--Dwaipayanc 19:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yes

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bhadani#reviewing_me_and_Indian_Independence_Movement - I will do it very shortly - say by this Sunday. --Bhadani 10:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The move

Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bhadani#move --Bhadani 15:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

By the way, do you know the meaning of Band Baja Do? --Bhadani 15:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank you... hahhhaaaa, I was thinking like this only. Now, we should Bajanee hai Band of wikipedia's enemies, particularly who have entered and infiltrated the system here. --Bhadani 15:35, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Indian subcontinent - Vat Lag gayee!!! --Bhadani 15:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Cut & paste: in case, you so wish, it is an easy option, and I do not think that sky shall fall by doing this - the history of the other page shall continue to exist for future reference. --Bhadani 15:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar, RFA rqst

If there was a "Hero of India" medal to give, you would get it for your India-related work. Also, reading Wikipedia:Editor review/Rama's Arrow convinced me that you're ready to be nominated for adminship duties — just read Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list, browse through Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide, and drop the word on my talk page. If you accept, then I can create the nom page straight away. We definitely need more Indian admins to do (for example) page-move stuff and do page protections on South Asian pages and cut down on (days-long) delays. I'll try to comment as that PR later. Keep it up. Saravask 19:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, Nirav. With reluctance and appreciation, I can accept. This is the second time someone offered to nominate me, but I turned it down the first time because these things are very embarrassing. I'm sorry to hear that you don't think you're ready; I hope you can run soon or can reconsider. Thanks again. Saravask 05:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Hi Nirav. Can you please have a look at Wikipedia:Peer review/Cholas? Parthi is a high-energy editor who can deliver FAs with a little support from us. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA

Just FYI we don't add RfA's to the RfA page until it has been accepted by the nominator, I've removed it for now, please re-add if they accept -- Tawker 06:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

  • I would suggest that we discuss with seniors like Bhadani, Gurubrahma, Sundar etc about the phrasing of the nomination, replies, possible objections etc before it is added to the RfA page. Tintin (talk) 06:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
The wording is just fine. Could replace "amassed" with a better word, perhaps. Apart from the minor procedural hitch above, I don't see any trouble. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Another issue. Some people frown at any form of advertising in RfAs and even posting a note in India noticeboard is not encouraged by some. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay; I filled out my answers during lunchtime, so I hope I didn't keep you waiting too long. Thanks! Saravask 19:20, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Band kaise bajani hai?

Hi Bhadaniji - I'm a little concerned about your initiative against "industrial sabotage," but only because I don't fully understand who you intend to target and what exactly you propose to do. I also noticed prior to your absence you had some interesting exchanges with user:Anonymous editor on his talkpage. Your recent messages have also been of a curious nature. Is there an issue between you two? Is it because of his being the main opponent of the RfAs of Idleguy and Deeptrivia? I'm unable to decipher the nature and purpose of these exchanges with him. Please explain your efforts against "industrial sabotage" specifically please, so we may understand how to help. Rama's Arrow 13:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with the RfAs, and I do not have anything personal against him. I hold him in high regards, but I am higly concerned about the malicious treatment he is getting from outsiders. I will e-mail him everything from time to time. My God Bless him! --Bhadani 13:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Band se Band bajani hai. Vat lagee hee nahee rahi hai? Blogs are surfacing every day though? --Bhadani 14:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Nirav, can you please enable your email. Tintin (talk) 14:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jinnah FA

Looks like I'm the first to congradulate you on Jinnah. Great work as always, Nirav! AreJay 18:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

BTW, Kolkata is FA too! AreJay 18:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, my congrats also, Nirav. :-) Saravask 19:20, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
From me too. 2 out of 4 FAs added this time are related to India. We should keep up the tempo. Any suggestions on any India related Featured topics? -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I think you didn't get me. I meant Featured topics, and not Featured articles. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 02:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi buddy! Congrats.--Dwaipayanc 20:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations Arrow on featured status for the Jinnah article. You have been promoted to Field Marshal of the Wiki-Nerd Army. :P Green Giant 21:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Great job. Congratulations. - Ganeshk (talk) 22:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Riots are less these days. I could not say about a rally though! Anyway, I hope there was a rally of Wikipedians. The number of regular contributor from the city is too few still.--Dwaipayanc 20:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indian independence movement PR

This article had gone through a peer view that I have archived now. When you created the peer review you had created the title with "independence" and "movement" in caps. So you had missed it. I fixed it all now. Let me know if I had missed anything. Ganeshk (talk) 22:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Review

Hi Nirav, my reason for not commenting in your review is of course the obvious one; I do not feel competent. You are certainly among the most energetic and goal-oriented Indian editors here; is it for me to give you advise on how to improve? That is something I must leave to the senior admins. As to the PII incident, the initial mistake is mine; I failed to appreciate the hard work you had put in and spoke very harshly; I am sure your response was merely commensurate. I refuse to dig up that talk-page and revisit the matter -- whatever the minutiae of the particular issue, I feel that we can and should put it behind us. Please do not think of it again, and be assured that the issue has not prevented me from greatly appreciating your many contributions here. Best regards, ImpuMozhi 23:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saravask

Hi RM,

Yeah, I sorta figured that it would be unfair to vote before it was placed at WP:RFA. Well now I know. :) BTW, no exaggeration, he is really one of the best editors I've ever met. —Khoikhoi 00:47, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree! Take care, —Khoikhoi 03:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chola dynasty

Hi thanks for your review and suggestions on Chola dynasty. I have made the changes you suggested. Please take a moment to review it and leave you further comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Chola dynasty

Much appreciated. - Parthi (Venu62) 09:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Fundamental Rights SAC nom

Following your comment, I've tried to reduce the no. of headings, as well as the bold text. Please check it out now.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 15:21, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] India SVG map

Image:India-svg-test-2.svg

Draft 1 ready: Please comment here: Image talk:India-svg-test-2.svg. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:hi

I faintly remember your quarrel! No energy to see in archives.After you finish Patel, have some look at Indian Independence Movement. I am going to take a break soon. Have some exams shortly.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:53, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Nope. I will be in a quite long wiki vacation. Won't be back before mid-June. That does not mean I will not enter here at all! That's impossible. But no major works.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Hmm. :( I have exam on 8 June. Anyway, I will be around. Will keep in mind. Just drop me a message / mail when needed.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Anyway, dom't forget to see IIM. It needs to be an FA. But the article is not in good shape. Think about the way in which it would be better represented: mile-stone based chronological, or, just mile-stones based? --Dwaipayan (talk) 19:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, the revolutinaries were ridiculously under-represented even a dew months back, still we sort of collaborated! In the mother article (IIM), there were just a few names only! Now at least the revolutionaries have been categotized, and many have red links at least. Hope will be able to make nearly all of them blue by the end of this year. However, still there are many very less known people. Wish there were some historians to help!--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Hmm. Tough. Some good books could help. We are too naive to comment. Well, League and others must be there, no doubt. And you cannot say the League was not a part of the struggle. In 1940s, they were doing the Pakistan movemant, which, in a way, helped independence. Have to admit that. If there were no League, perhaps the indepemdent India would have been larger, but the independence might have come later! The anticipated civil war was a factor. On the other hand, the feared civil war might not have been a possibility at all if there were no League. Leave it, bogus Utopian stuffs. The thing is, League and others must be there. I have another query, the political involvement from South India. I do not have much Idea either. But that is peobebly under-represented in IIM article.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:IIM parameters

Having done Jinnah lately, you pounded upon me just like anything! I must have sounded childish to your pundit mind. LoL. Well, really I have nor studied much in these things. My own interest was in revolutionaries. You correctly pointed out that the article is not Politics in British India. In any case, IIM needs some sorta rewritting. For example, I think 1857 should be shortened.Revolutionaries just slightly more highlighted (may be my PoV). The revolutionaries durinf 1910a have almost remained unmentioned. The pattition riots should be mentioned in last section. I do not at present have ideas on exact poilitical steps through which independence came. So cannot review/comment on that portion. You should be adept at that now, with Patel, Political Integration and Jinnah done. Overall I still think chronology would be a more appropriate way.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:44, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Who are you talking about in Category:Indian freedom fighters? Well, I see Siddiqhi sahab has awarded you with a barnstar. Now I understand why we should assume good faith. I thought Jinnah not as a "South Asian" would be hard stuff.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh yes of course. I too have so many Pakistani friends. And I somewhat deliberately made the comment publicly in your page to see if there is any reaction. I apologise, Siddiqui, for the innuendo. I share with you, nirav, a wish to visit pakistan. in fact, I tried to be at a conference there. But was late in communicating. Otherwise today I could have told you how beautiful is Karachi, and how courteous are the people there.(as I have read in many travelogues).--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Huh, I diplomatically covered that fault with an "almost".--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:18, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indian ?!?!

I only consider you a fellow Wikipedian. We may have differences of opinion, nationality etc but that is not a big issue for me. I have many close Indian friends. Siddiqui 20:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Siddiqui's barnstar to me

It's OK. I don't mind.
Siddiqui 20:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

image:wikiThanks.png Hi Nirav, thanks for the wikimedal. Best of luck on producing more FAs. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Hey, I don't think you know me, but I've seen you recently both with the Muhammad Ali Jinnah and on RFA. The fact of your previous successful featured articles and that I saw friendly messages between you and Bhadani (who I respect) piqued my interest, and I so I took a few days to look over your contributions and watch you a bit. In fact, I asked several other editors in private about you, and got positive responses from all who'd heard of you (and one who thought you were an admin). So, I'm wondering if you would accept a nomination for adminship from me? I think you're ready and would make a great candidate. I can answer any of your questions if you are unsure about what the position entails. :-) Dmcdevit·t 06:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yes

I shall give my free and and frank opinion on 1st may 2006. Ok. --Bhadani 16:07, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Patel

Yeah, I was just looking at that now. Great job — at this rate, you look set to beat Lord Emsworth's record in a few months. Saravask 20:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I will review the article in detail tomorrow (5/1). Thanks AreJay 01:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation and IIT

Hi,

I have done the Sardar Patel's Audio and as usual request to check for clarity and consistancy. Anyway, I will try to add the coin's photograph/scan image as soon as possible although it still seems unlikely before 9th. I am waiting for Nichalp's suggestions before moving IIT to FAC. Let's first be sure that its upto the expectations of all of us here before taking the final plunge. I am also working on IIT related articles and am trying to improve them so that they are atleast stable and consistant. Just recently I have created History of IITs article to summarize the content of "Establishment of IITs". Regarding the suggestions you gave in the Peer Review, I feel that only the information of year of establishment is repeating, which I feel is relevant to both from history's perspective as well as important from individual IIT's coverage perspective. If you think that it can be eliminated from one of the places (more likely being the "IIT Family" section), we can discuss it. Even though individual IITs have a few notable distinguishing features, they have been separately discussed in other sections. Most of the distinguishing features are culture related as with respect to academics, they have been treated eually by the govt. For example I have discussed the cultural and technical festivals of each IIT in "Extra-curricular life" section. Its useless to discuss things like student capacity in this article as it already very long. Making each IIT having a sub-section will draw criticsms from others as they all would be single paragraph sub-sections. BTW, can you suggest better titles for "Success story" and "Extra-curricular life" sections. They look inapporpriate names for sections. If you have any more suggestions I will be happy to address them. And yes, IIT is not my great work. Its the work of the thousands of alumnus while I am just doing a reporting part. I am waiting to see another FA contribution (Sardar Patel) from you. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 04:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks and comment

Thanks Nirav, oh btw I haven't forgotten Patel. I will get to it in an hour or so. AreJay 00:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Questions on adminship

Yes, Nirav, sou were back on 8th April 2006, when I was confined to bed. I used to think of wikipedia and several wikipedians including you during my forced separation of 3 weeks from wikipedia arising on account of my sickness. Now, I am almost recouped. In the meanwhile, we had talked; still I extend you a formal welcome on your return on 8th April 2006.

Now let us talk business, that is, about the project. You had asked my opinion about your impulsive behavior (?) and your suitability for wiki-adminship. I can tell from my long experience in life that each one of us some short of shortcomings – no one is perfect: in real or in virtual life. Having said this, I would like to point out that I found you, in the ultimate analysis, a nice person and your contributions to the Project is really massive, and you have done very well. I think that most of Indian wikipedians, including me and you, have just made the beginning – the true potential is yet to emerge. I am of the firm conviction that you shall make a good administrator. Please harbor no negative thought in this regard. When the time shall come, you will have to accept the challenge. I have repeatedly stressed the point that the project requires more administrators from India/ this part of the word, so that contents relating to Asia may get true encyclopedic reflection in wikipedia. --Bhadani 14:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for the Barnstar. Thanks also for your help in my efforts to make Chola dynasty to FA quality. I think I'm nearly there.

cheers,

Parthi (Venu62) 05:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnster, and sorry for replying late. Due to personal reasons, I will not be active on Wikipedia for some time. :-) --Andy123(talk) 18:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IIM

Hi! Hey, IMO, it's not yet time for IIM. It needs summarisation, changing srntences etc, if not a major rewrite. Sorry that I do not have the time now for devoting to IIM. Let's keep the peer review open for a few mor days, as the suggestions in peer review have not been met yet. Bye.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mail

Sorry for the delay. I'll reply tonight. Can't access gmail from work. Tintin (talk) 05:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:India/Selected article removal candidates

Hi! The template for Portal:India/Selected article removal candidates was not made, and I tried to make it. However, the result Template:Pisarc is not ok. It is not functioning perfectly as can be seen in the talk pages where this has been put, for example, Talk:Raja Ravi Varma and Talk:Cheese. See that the template shows the name of the article once again at the end! I have already contacted Nichalp (talk • contribs) in this regard. You can also help to resolve this technical matter.

Many articles in Portal:India/Selected articles deserve to be delisted as they are either not india related or do not meet the criteria. It seems from the list as if many articles were NOT chosen by going through the prescribed procedure, rather chosen somewhat indiscriminately. Please see. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 10:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E-mail

Hi, hope you feel fresh and ready for FAC after your wikibreak ends — I myself am also getting very busy in real life. I just confirmed the email address I previously had listed, so now it should be set to receive all the wonderful dispatches. I'll also try to finish up copyediting Patel tomorrow. Thanks. Saravask 18:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, you violated your wikibreak! But thanks for nominating me. When the time comes, it'll be my pleasure to nominate you — so beware! Saravask 02:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Darjeeling

Hi! Could you please have a quick look of Darjeeling? Please give your suggestions in the article's talk page. This is for an internal review before moving to peer review. Thanks. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, this time also I would like a Kolkata-like FAC for Darjeeling. On Kolkata FAC, Nichalp commented about the high standards of Indian FACs that we have an internal review, then peer eview and then the FAC becomes a mere formality. This time, I am doing that! A sorta internal review. Peer review will follow, when I expect inputs from Indian administrators as well as international audience. Then the formality. Moreover, imo, rather than a single contributor, a community approach is healthy for articles, as we have a good community. You also tend to follow the same thing. In community approach, more number of articles can be created rapidly as the burden on one contributor eases, and also, several users see the article from multiple angles. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Patel

Hey, just wanted to let you know that I've been a little busy with work, but I'll get to moving forward on my suggestions sometime over the weekend. Thanks AreJay 22:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Hello, Rama's Arrow/Archive2006, and thank you for vote on my recent RfA! With a final vote of 62/2/4, I have now been entrusted with the mop, bucket and keys. As I acclimate myself to my new tools, feel free to let me know how you believe I might be able to use them to help the project. Thanks again! RadioKirk talk to me 05:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fundamental Rights... on WP:PINSAC

I've made some changes per your recommendations. Please check them out. shreshth91 (talk • contribs) (not signed in)

[edit] Hi

Can you take a look at Ahmedabad when you are free? I think it is nearly time for PR and FAC. I know you must be busy with Patel. When is it's FAC coming? The lead image in the Patel article has a pd-india tag. Are you sure about that? As far as I know images from Government of India sites are not Public Domain. You can ask Nichalp to double-check. - Aksi_great (talk) 10:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah that's true. Govt. sites (.nic domain) are not in public domain, as Nichalp had confirmed once, on the basis of Sundar's lawyer friends.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 14:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the template. I see some red-links that already have an article. Will link them later. I am starting a peer review later today (earlier that I had planned, but I think it would be very helpful to me). Will inform you as soon as I do it. - Aksi_great (talk) 14:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
here it is. Looking forward to your help. - Aksi_great (talk) 15:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Remember to subst!

When using template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use {{subst:test}} instead of {{test}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template.

Mr. Lefty Talk to me! 19:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thankyou for your kind introduction to Wikipedia. I am hoping to expand my writing skills by contributing to a few sections. Do you know if there are any chief editors for the following sections?

  • Wong-Kar Wai
  • Blaxploitation
  • Lost
  • Digitiser
  • Preston, Lancashire

I wouldn't want to tread on any toes as it were. Thankyou :) - Charlie Marrow 20:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for all of your help so far. I was wondering if you could give me the template needed so I can place the userboxes I want in a seperate section formatted to the far right of the screen. Thankyou. - Charlie Marrow 20:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I couldn't see that info on that page you linked me to. Is that the right one? - Charlie Marrow 20:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info about the pictures. an you advise me on the above request? Thanks - Charlie Marrow 21:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3

The Administrator Coaching program is a program aimed at preparing Wikipedians for Adminship or helping them understand the intricacies of Wikipedia better. Recently, changes have been made to the requirements of coachees. Please review them before requesting this service.
This would be something like the Welcoming Committee, but for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. Some might like suggestions about how to learn vandal patrol, or mentoring on taking an article to featured status, or guidance with a proposal they plan to make at the Village Pump, for example. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins.
Stressbusters
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Note from the editor
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20:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Problem

Yeah, I noticed the article Fundamental Rights, Directive Principles and Fundamental Duties of India and its SAC a few days back. I will add more once I read the whole article, and the arguments. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need help with Inter-Services Intelligence page

I have been working on the ISI page for a while now. I added a lot of citations from various different sources and even from very anti-pakistan sources. I expanded the missions while also expanding the controversies surrounding the ISI and their role in Pakistan's internal affairs, Kashmir, war on terrorism, etc...

I have it up for peer review, but I haven't received much feed back. I was wondering if you could take a look at the article and point some flaws that exist in the article which I can correct before I post it for FAC status.

Thanks

--Mercenary2k 5:46 AM May 8, 2006

[edit] Hi

I would like to have your email address. Contact me at anirudhsbh at gmail dot com. Regards, --Andy123(talk) 10:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My comment on Gurubrahma's page

Gurubrahma has said that he won't be editing actively from now on and it's "about time" (looks like a familiar phase) this happenned. I was sad about this and left the message that you saw. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Oops, sorry for the confusion caused. "About time" refers to the fact that I had already announced my inactivity/wikibreak on my user/talk pages almost a month back but waited for a month to see if I'll be still active. It doesn't appear that I'll find enough time before 2007, so my editcount(iti)s may be limited to 100-200 per month. Hence, I felt it was "about time" to move myself to inactive members. I'd still try to be active as time permits, showing up on WP:PINQ at least on a regular basis. I'd still be logging in at least thrice a week, so the best way to contact me still remains my talkpage. E-mail is ok, but it'd be better to post a msg on my talkpage notifying abt the e-mail. Do let me know when you plan to get on to RfA, if you need any help in crafting the RfA nom. --Gurubrahma 17:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help with template

Hi Nirav,

I want your help with {{Indian Institute Of Technology}} template. No technical help, but asthetic one. I find that the template doesn't look good in its present form. Can you please help me and change it to something visually pleasing. If you want, you may change the text also. Apart from the topics already covered, I also want Reservation policy in IITs to be also included. I would have done it myself but my sense of asthetics is horribly poor and I can't think of what will look nice. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Its a nice idea but just one problem may arise. While the topics related to IIT (like history and reservation) have been discussed in great detail, those belonging to NIT, IIM, AIIMS, etc. haven't been and their entries will mostly be restricted to the institutes. Also a question will arise as to which all are to be included, or in other words, what is the criteria for an institute/set of institutes to be included in the template. If you are convinced that there won't be any issues, go ahead. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
A lot better now. Just a few questions. Is it okay to link to categories from the template. Secondly, I couldn't get why some links are italized while others are not. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 06:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
More issues. I think that "IIT Schools of Management" need to be moved to the second paragraph as first paragraph should be about IIT family. Secondly, culture should not be included now as it is only related IIT Kharagpur's culture. I will try and create a common one for all IITs. Too bad I can't use things from Student Linguistics in IIT Kharagpur. Also according to your logic, PAF and Illumination should also be italized. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 06:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
The History of IITs redirect to the full name. I have fixed that for reservation policy also. If any other IIT have article on them, the redirect page can be edited to reflect the disambiguation. However, since I have used "IITs" everywhere as opposed to "IIT", this is not likely to happen. The only problem is with Category:IIT. Should we rename it? I will definitely create the culture article before FAC. It will even help reduce the enormous size of the culture section as it exists now. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 06:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] stop vandalising the Jinnah page.

[edit] Warning

Even though it is a sensitive topic for your country, let me assure you that ALL Pakistanis revere Jinnah as a hero...that's a FACT and you are in violation of the rules if you resist that in any way.

signed: TamaGamaLama...the elephant with 6 arms....

[edit] Adminship

Hi,

Thanks for the suggestion, but I can't consider it now as I am still relatively new and can't consider it in June as I will again be going on wikibreak (going home where internet costs per minute and not free like here). I can consider it only by the end of july or early august when I will be back. BTW, have you thought about your adminship. I haven't seen the early Nirav Maurya but I am convinced that you are a late bloomer and an asset to wikipedia. Though the people voting for RfA have elephant's memory, I feel that you have changed a lot since then with even your opponents then giving praise on your review. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 07:17, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] problem user on Jinnah page

You said on my talkj page: Hi Bhadaniji - could you please tackle User:66.25.124.253. He just spoke in a threatening manner to me on my talkpage here and here, and is adding nonsense to the Jinnah article. He has been warned multiple times on vandalism, yet he persists in adding nonsense and cleans out his own talkpage. I feel this fellow will return to create trouble in the future. Rama's Arrow

My response: Dear, Nirav, we all should forget things. These are part of our wiki-life, when some persons with little knowledge (a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and an empty vessel sounds much) try to do edit here, he thinks that he is contributing to the building of the sum total of human knowledge, whereas in reality he may be just playing with wikipedia and passing through a self-befooling process. Please do not think of the misdeeds of such editors, and please continue to contribute with a positive and optimistic frame of mind. Thanks, regards, and all the best. --Bhadani 14:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

My rejoinder copied from his page: Please also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:66.25.124.253&diff=prev&oldid=52837354 --Bhadani

[edit] Great Work

Image:Hand with thumbs up.jpg
   Great Work!   
For your work on
Template:Indian Institute Of Technology.
Well done!

-Ambuj Saxena (talk) 17:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent changes to IIT

With reservation under Admission section, the section had a single sub-section; something that has been opposed in the talk page. For this I have created another subsection about JEE under it. It also solved the problem of details appearing in the article (like info of GATE) that doesn't appear in the JEE article. As regard to the other suggestion, I will try to work it out tomorrow. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi,
You seem to have left editing in the middle. I went ahead and completed the editing of Admissions section. Have a look and tell me if its fine now. I also saw that you moved the image up and placed it besides the Table of Contents. It existed there some time back till Nichalp moved it to IIT Family section. Even I prefer it besides the TOC but didn't revert his edits. Now that you also have placed it there, let's see if its still objected to. I hope you have noticed that I have created the culture article. I didn't knew in order to make a Featured Article "Itne papad belne padte hain" to make the ambience right. Hope with your help the article goes faster towards FAC. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
What is the most widely accepted way of citing books? I believe its the Harvard Style, but just want to be sure. I don't want this issue to be raised after the FAC is started. I require it for "Equality through Reservations" which is refered in "Reservations" section. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 09:26, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your vote on my RFA

Thank you for voting on my RFA, however I've decided to withdraw my nomination. I'll perhaps nominate myself in the future once I have more experience, and not to immaturely release RFAs. Until then, I'll continue working on Wikipedia. —THIS IS MESSEDImage:R with umlaut.pngOCKER (TALK) 21:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Left you a note ...

I left you a note via email. Thanks. :) --Ragib 06:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RFA

Hi Rama's Arrow/Archive2006,

Thank you for supporting my RFA! Unfortunately it did not succeed mainly because most opposers wanted me to spend more time on Wikipedia. Thank you for your faith in me & looking forward to your continued support in the future.

Cheers

Srikeit(talk ¦ ✉) 09:13, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:your concerns

Hello. My response: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bhadani&diff=52981842&oldid=52981416 --Bhadani 10:42, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] anmol.2k4 & ip matter

Sir even though it is very awkward im replying to your message as it would have been rude not to do so, i have explained all the reason in the last post. I would love to come back to wikipedia some day maybe months from now, but would like the matter to cool down and will start with a clean page that is why i had to tear away the blotched one. I hope you will understand , as you said this is just an encyclopedia so i think it is no big deal. Anmol

[edit] Good luck in RfA

Hi RA, good luck for your rfa. I might not be here when you are promoted. My exams start on Tuesday Aussie time. You should easily reach WP:100 (touchwood!). What would be an even greater acheivement however, would be making Massiveego not oppose you! All the best. GizzaChat © 14:07, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

All the best from me too. I owe you big time for turning all those red links into blue links in Ahmedabad-related topics. Thank you. - Aksi_great (talk) 14:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Feedback on Userpage

Since you commented on my user page in my editor review, I'd like your feedback on changes to my user page. joturner 14:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:user page

Hi Joturner - obviously the "conversion to Islam" bit is much sobered, although I'd like that you basically write a brief para describing becoming a Muslim, instead of the bit of timeline that you retain. Your axioms are good - the point of contention is, that there are people on Wikipedia who feel that political issues of all kinds must not be pushed/discussed via userboxes or otherwise. Some of these guys might feel that admins should not have political userboxes or commentary of any kind on display. However I'm entirely fine with your userpage and your position as an editor - you have the perfect right to share your experiences and identity with us. You have my support for adminship, whenever you choose to seek it. I recommend soliciting comments from some of your Rfa detractors for your ER. Cheers, Rama's Arrow 14:21, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Good point; I was going to eliminate it altogether, but there were so many people who liked reading it (you can see numerous comments regarding or inquiring about my conversion on my user talk page). No one has ever placed a negative comment on my talk page about it. Thus, I went with this comprimise. Nevertheless, I'll seek some comment from detractors. About the axioms, I was trying to be open to others opinions by offering the opportunity to suggest an axiom, even if I don't agree with it. joturner 14:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to add that I was most impressed to see you condemn the cartoon controversy riots. Your analysis is perfect as regards to the real problems society faces and how Muslims should have responded ideally - I was disappointed to find virtually no Muslim voice like yours amongst the Muslim community's leaders. Rama's Arrow 14:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page move

I am sure that the Ahmedabad-Vadodara Highway is called Ahmedabad-Vadodara expressway. It is a part of the proposed national expressway 1 (on the lines of National Highways of India). Should I move the page? - Aksi_great (talk) 14:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Check out [[15]]. Point no. 19 and 20 describe the 2 phases of the road. It is clearly written Ahmedabad-Vadodara Exp. Way. Also the NE1 stands for National Expressway 1. - Aksi_great (talk) 14:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your RfA

I can't tell you how happy I was to see that you had finally been RfA'd. It's such a big coincidence, that I was just creating a draft to nominate you for RfA, but you beat me to it. I don't think it will be long before we welcome you to the ranks of admins (probably with over 200 votes to your name :) --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 15:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Some tea (it's tea, not weed soup), and don't worry!!
Some tea (it's tea, not weed soup), and don't worry!!
(A friendly suggestion, Rama: Do not reply to object votes.... ) ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 16:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree with above. Actually I was going to tell you, but forgot to paste into your talk page from my talk page. See my comment here - Aksi_great (talk) 16:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
A real surprise to me. I wanted to nominate - but, his self-nomination is doing better. May God Bless him! Jai Sri Ram. --Bhadani 17:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Jossi unless it becomes very necessary. --Bhadani 17:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I wish you luck, Nirav. -- Samir (the scope) धर्म 02:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] And old news but...

Harappan town excavated in Gujarat. I hope this might be of interest to you. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion

I noticed that you tagged the page Image:Lothal (Small).JPG for speedy deletion with the reason "these maps are without publication source information. I desire to delete it to avoid misuse of copyright. Sorry". However, "these maps are without publication source information. I desire to delete it to avoid misuse of copyright. Sorry" is not currently one of our criteria for speedy deletion, so I have removed the speedy deletion tag. You can use WP:IFD if you still want the article to be deleted. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 18:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

On the contrary, it is a valid reason for speedy deletion. However, in this instance, the criteria mandates a 7 day waiting period for deletion. However, it is nonetheless, a "speedy deletion." Tag any image that doesn't have a source with {{nsd}} or any image that doesn't have copyright image with {{nld}} or if the image is missing both, use {{nsdnld}}. Then, follow the directions on the template. Pepsidrinka 03:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Referencing for IIT

Hi,

I have updated all the references in the IIT article. Please have a look to tell if its all right or not. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 11:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] your RfA

I saw your withdrawal note. I just want to reiterate, your own nomination is not the right place to debate with people what are allowable reasons to oppose. It casts you in a very bad light. If you think someone opposed for invalid reasons, the right thing to do is wait for the RfA to end, and then bring it up on a public discussion forum. Your RfA just isn't the place for that, I think a lot of people don't condone that kind of behaviour. -lethe talk + 19:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Lethe - it is simply impossible for me to accept that reasoning. All opposers are allowed to raise all sorts of issues regarding the candidate, so it is unacceptable to have this sort of reaction and misjudgment of myself when I expressed an honest opinion regarding Ardenn's poor judgment. Rama's Arrow 19:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
You're allowed to express honest opinions about people's behaviours, but you should do so in the proper venue. An RfA isn't the proper venue for this. Ardenn's judgement is indeed poor, but do you really want to clutter up your RfA with you telling people that their reasons for opposing are bad? -lethe talk + 20:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I only responded to Ardenn for the stated reasons, and Knucmo2 - who I believe was misrepresenting my record. The rest of my notes were responses to you. Rama's Arrow 20:04, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your withdrawal

Dear Rama's Arrow, I was saddened to hear that you'd withdrawn. It's a pretty stressful experience, but I trust that you'll quickly recover and return to adding so much to make wikipedia better. Best wishes, Bucketsofg✐ 20:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Hehehehehe - I don't think you read my thanks note in full. This was the easiest decision for me. On the contrary, I will sleep better now. Thanks for your good wishes. Rama's Arrow 20:08, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Hot and frothy Madras filter coffee to cheer up up!
Hot and frothy Madras filter coffee to cheer up up!
Was sad to see your withdrawal. I am glad to see you in good spirit. Some hot Madras filter coffee to cheer you up. - Ganeshk (talk) 20:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, since your celebrating, have some balloons! Bucketsofg✐ 20:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, since your celebrating, have some balloons! Bucketsofg✐ 20:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if you have heard Bucketsofg's song yet. But you must. It is absolutely amazing. - Aksi_great (talk) 20:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Community Justice Newsletter

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[edit] Yet another sad day

I am in shock. I just noticed this on my watch-list after visiting PINQ. I was feeling sad all day seeing things on your RfA. This is just another repeat of what happened to Deeptrivia. There is a problem with people here. No one is willing to trust anyone. They expect people to go all sweet in their RfAs, to say only good things, to accept oppose comments with delight and joy, and sometimes to lie. I feel that you have done the right thing, but as Gurubrahma said, and as I had said earlier on Deeptrivia's talk page - this is a bigger loss for wikipedia, especially those related to Indian subcontinent, than for you. Please continue to help users like me, and someday others will realise their mistake. - Aksi_great (talk) 20:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Goodnight my friend. (Even I should go to sleep. Almost 2:30 am!!!) - Aksi_great (talk) 20:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that you removed your RfA nomination. I hope everything didn't cause you too much bad feelings. We appreciate your work and hope that you keep on with it. Regards, --Tone 21:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your RfA

Sorry to see your nomination go down. I had a similar experience. My advice: wait awhile, do a lot of community wide favors, and, when someone nominates you again, simply state who you are, but do not engage the opposition at all.

Anyway, thanks for the thank you! --CTSWyneken 21:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I am very disappointed that you withdrew your RfA nomination. You really deserve to be an admin and I hope you will consider running for it again in the near future. In the meantime, please do not feel discouraged and continue your excellent work in Wikipedia. You will always have my support and I know how you are feeling right now. I too failed my RfA nomination recently but I am still feeling highly motivated in contributing to Wikipedia. Let not a few bad apples spoil your enthusiasm for Wikipedia. Remember, you will always be surrounded by friends and I Know that one day, you will be an admin. Take care and continue to live up to your principles of Sathya. I will always be in your side! --Siva1979Talk to me 21:25, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA

Nirav, I'm happy that you're not too disappointed. You are such a powerful force here. You will be an administrator; just heed the advice of those above. What happened is truly WP's loss. Take care -- Samir (the scope) धर्म 21:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words. However, its not WP's loss, because WP is about knowledge. Users, admins, will come and go. Whether I apply again will be purely on whether I will be useful in that capacity, and certainly not based on compromise of my principles. Rama's Arrow 21:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
A wise response. Cheers. -- Samir (the scope) धर्म 21:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] and why should I be even remotely disappointed?

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I was deeply touched and honored with the enthusiastic support and confidence that was expressed in me by so many of my colleagues - and now more than ever - my dear friends. Withdrawing the nomination was following the footsteps of Gandhi - and breathing the pure air of freedom. Rama's Arrow 21:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Hiya, just thought I would say that I too was disapointed with the way your RfA went in the end. It has been a long time since I went through RfA, and the process has become a lot tougher in that time, but I remember how stressful it can be. In all honesty I cannot say that I would have reacted any differently to a frivolous vote than you did. Too often people are willing to jump on a minor fault and oppose a candidate, and especially self-noms, with the consequence that people who can clearly be trusted with the tools do not receive them. It's a real shame that in some respects you were undone by your own honesty in answering the questions, particularly regarding your past vandalism, and your desire to defend your position (whether the opposition was justified or not). I think a lot of the time people fail to recognise that there is a human being with human emotions, and human failings, behind every username. I wish you the best of luck should you stand again, and hope that you stick around. Yours, Rje 21:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry about the RfA, I'm sure you will become a admin at another time, you are a good person and have had a positive effect on wikipedia. Don't take the opposition votes to seriously, there will always be people who will oppose what you say you say. Think of the RfA as a good thing, it allowed you to learn from your mistake, if you go for adminship later I'm sure you will get it, just don't take things to personally. Good luck in your future goals, if you ever go for adminship, I'll be there to vote for you Gsingh 21:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I fully expect to see you back there in a month or two; meantime, keep doing what you're doing right now. If, in the future, you have to deal with someone whose principles can't measure up, just blow them off—humanity begets all kinds. Take care. :) RadioKirk talk to me 23:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
(Sorry, must have clocked the wrong link...) RadioKirk talk to me 00:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
My belated regards also. Saravask 01:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Regards Rama, you are a strong and honourable contributor. Unfortunately I do not have net access on weekends and missed your RfA. All the best.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 01:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Replied to your message in my talk page, and I reiterate again here that I'm disappointed at the result of the RfA as well. Candidates should have a right to reply to concerns placed in oppose votes. That by itself shouldn't be a criteria for even more oppose votes.

Anyway, I hope you'd not be disappointed, rather I'd be happy to nominate you in a few months as you add more feathers to your already great editing profile. Keep it up. --Ragib 03:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you are a great editor in wikipedia and a helpful friend. Keep up the edits. We are waithing for Patel, by the way! Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 11:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I am proud of you

Hi Nirav,

I feel proud to see that my dear friend has stood up to his principles. You remind me of my school days when I was one of the class captains. There were two class captains, and the teacher always kept on complaining about the other one, threatening to remove him from the post of class captain. She was never able to do this to me as whenever she told anything, I just used to take out my badge and tell her: "Ok. Remove me." Since I had no affinity towards my position, it was never possible to pressurize me. By doing the same now, you make me proud. Here goes:

I award you this Parrondo's Paradox Barnstar for rising higher and higher even after your supposed failure
I award you this Parrondo's Paradox Barnstar for rising higher and higher even after your supposed failure

About the IIT article, I still have a lot to write in the "Alumni" section, but I am placed in a very strange condition. I know that whenever I write a word, it increases the size of the article thereby taking it further away from being a FA. To my horror, after I standardized the citations, the page size increased by 5kb. Hence, I am having a very rare kind of condition where I can't decide whether to improve the article or to make it more appropriate for FA. I am wondering if its possible to do both. Tell me, how much is the ideal page size for this kind of articles? Unless I can decide on where to reduce the flab from, I am not sure I will be motivated enough to add more. About Sardar Patel, sure I will do it. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 04:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your msg. on my talkpage

Hi Nirav, just saw ur msg., good to see that you stand by your principles. Your withdrawal notice on RfA was assertive, without being aggressive - a msg. straight from the heart. Also, thanks for your offer of help. I put Rajiv Gandhi Khel Ratna on FLC but I don't have time to go over the suggested improvements, could you hv a look, time permitting? ImpuMozhi also may be working on it, I guess. Do let me know if you need my help on any admin-related chores. --Gurubrahma 04:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your RFA

With your withdrawal of your RfA, you have not dropped in my eyes, but have raised yourself to greater heights, where I can only dream of going. Congratulations on being brave enough to stand up for your morals and principles!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 05:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

And, by the way, thanks for your offer. I would be pleased if you could aid me and help me have at least one FA before I become inactive.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 05:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sardar Patel

Hi,

I have modified the citation style of Sardar Patel's article. What's up with the bracketed two "(2)" in many citations? I have left them as it is. Please make the changes if required. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your RFA

Hi Nirav,

It was a very unfortunate thing that happened that caused you to withdraw your RFA. As the first person to support yoour RFA, I am very saddened by this. Although do keep in mind that whatever anyone says, we believe you to be an enormous asset to Wikipedia & I sincerely hope you continue to make your sterling contributions.

Cheers

Srikeit(talk ¦ ✉) 08:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to learn abut your RfA. I guess that there was a huge miscommunication. Don't let this episode bother you. Take a break for a day or two (but not more) and start editing your favourite articles. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 09:02, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

(though needless to mention) I missed your RfA because it was on a weekend. Lest I would've made some attempts to explain that you didn't do anything wrong by replying to oppose voters. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
My condolences are with you too. GizzaChat © 09:27, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
A shame about the RfA — I do admire how you stood up for yourself though. I'm really not a fan of the RfA process anyway and I would imagine that contributing to articles and creating FAs would be a far more satistying experience than going through and succeeding an RfA. Just chillax and continue your high quality work here! AreJay 13:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Messages

Hi,

I'm sad to hear about your RfA. I've replied to your comments on my talk page. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 11:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You are better

You are better than several ones. Please continue your excellent work. All the best! --Bhadani 12:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hope this satisfies you

http://www.iitb.ac.in/

http://www.iitm.ac.in/

-Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Dear Rama's Arrow/Archive2006 — Thank you for your support on my recent RfA. It succeeded with a final tally of 72/2/0 and I am now an administrator. I'll be taking things slowly at first and getting used to the new tools, but please let me know if there's any adminnery I can help you with in the future. —Whouk (talk) 08:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] your rfa

thanks Rama -- I assure you I have no doubt about your good intentions, and the maps thing was really a minor issue, no problem; I consciously voted neutral, and while I'll stick with that, I have no problem with welcoming as a new admin. regards, dab (ᛏ) 20:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hi Rama's Arrow, thanks for supporting my request for adminship! Unfortunately, it ended with a final tally of 45/15/2, no consensus. I may have another go in the near future, once the school year is over. Thanks again! -- getcrunkjuicecontribs 22:03, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wassup

Hey Nirav. It is very unfortunate that you had to withdraw from your RFA. Had I known, I would have definitely voted in your favour. Well, as Bhagavad Gita says, do your work but don't worry about its fruit. I've been working on Delhi article for the past couple of days and I think its ready for a Peer Review. Please help improve the article. Take care pal. --Incman|वार्ता 00:19, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Its unfortunate the way things turned out at your RfA. --Andy123 talk 11:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Political integration of India

Sorry for delayed reply. Due to my other commitments and ill health I forgot about this article. Now having read the article, comments and your editing, I am proud that I have a friend far away well versed on Indian affairs. I am totally incompetent to comment in view of my distance from political affairs and reading habits.

My opinion is that this article is very well written and will be apprecited by one and all who views it impartially.

--Dore chakravarty 12:21, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks, RA!!

Thank you!
Hello, Rama's Arrow/Archive2006 — A grateful thank you for your support on my Nomination for Adminship. It succeeded with a final tally of 85/11/6 and I am now an administrator. Let me know what I can do for you, and I am at your service. Bastique▼parlervoir 13:35, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Thanks
Rama's Arrow/Archive2006, thank you you so much for validating my RfA! I am grateful for all the supportive comments, and have taken both the positive and constructive on board. If I can ever make any improvements or help out in any way, please let me know, ditto if you see me stumble! Thanks again for your much appreciated support. Deizio talk 18:07, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA Thank You!

Thanks Rama's Arrow,

I am honored by your support in my recent successful request for adminship. As an administrator, I am your servant, ready to help however I can. My talk page is always open; should you need anything, or should you see me making a mistake -- probably a common occurrence -- please do let me know. I will depend on the good sense of the community to keep me from making a complete fool of myself! :) In gratitude, Xoloz 15:33, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

PS. I'll admit my secret affection for pro wrestling by sharing in your mourning of Eddie Guerrero. He brought me many smiles :), and will always be missed. :(

[edit] Waiting

Waiting....if I can be the first one to support Patel! Am travelling a lot for last few days, so irregular in WP. Whenever getting hold of a comp., trying to log on, Bye.--Dwaipayan (talk) 10:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Urgent attention

Hey this is ridiculous. see this. The Indian freedom fighters category has been removed. Please do something. Sorry I have to move again soon, otherwise I would have done. PLEASE. Urgent.--Dwaipayan (talk) 11:06, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok. All Indian freedom fighters are Indian activists but not all Indian activists are freedom fighters. There should be a seperate cat for freedom fighters. There must. Those who cannot be grouped under Indian freedom fighters can be left to be in Indian activists only. And the cat Indian freedom fighters may (or may not) be under Indian activists. Indian activists is a very broad term, and may include anybody like Sundarlal Bahuguna, Medha Patkar, Arundhuti Ray, Safdar Hashmi and even some lesser known NGO activists. They must be differentiated from the freedom fighters. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:41, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Hmm now I see your points. Not all political figures of 1857-1947 were Freedom fighters. Right. SBut IMO there should be a cat for Indian freedom fighters and not just Indian revolutionaries, as not all freedom fighters were revolutionaries (I mean not armed revolutionaries). Usualkly the term freedom fighters is in use, and also in use is revolutionaries. If not a seperate cat for revolutionaries, let's have a cat on Freedom fighters, and also on Political leadrers - as not all freedom fighters were political leaders either! Of course many were both.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:47, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, my proposal is to have "Indian freedom fighters" under which there may be "Gandhian revolutionaries" and "Armed revolutionaries". Also we should have Indian political leaders of pre-independence. For example, Gandhi would feature in both "Gandhian revolutionaries" and "Indian political leaders of pre-independence era", while Jinnah is in only the later. --Dwaipayan (talk) 18:52, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IIM and others

IIM is tough man, really tough. It should not be done in a hussy. Have patience. Its a herculean job, not just one or two persion can do it comprehensively unless some extensive resources are utilised. Lets do by parts.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Well whether I am gonna work on more FAs or not prior to the exam, I am not definitely going for PR, let akone FAC. Its a vital exam! Bye.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:57, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ahmedabad again

hi nirav,

Havent talked to you since your rfa. I kept on waiting for patel's fac, but that never came? What happened? Anything in which I can help? If you have time, can you look at Ahmedabad and then compare the article with it's PR and tell me what is most urgently needed to be done. I haven't been doing justice to the article since the past few days. (Actually I lost mood for 2-3 days and was just looking around here and there making some small edits.) I am back now, and hope to work on all issues about Ahmedabad for 10 days. Srikeit has provded some great pics. I am greatly indebted to him. Thanks. - Aksi_great (talk) 19:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement. I am trying to create some more politician bios now to get me in mood. It is not much hard work. More like data entry. Gives me time to think about Ahmedabad. - Aksi_great (talk) 21:07, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Will do so. Though I am not very experienced in copyediting, I will try my best. I actually found some issues with the first line itself. "...was a major political and social leader of India and its struggle for independence, and is credited with accomplishing its integration into a united, independent nation." Major leader doesn't sound good to me. How would this sound - "...was a political and social leader of India, who played a major role in it's/her struggle for independence, and is credited with accomplishing it's/her integration into a united, independent nation." I will add more comments to the article talk page if I find any more issues. - Aksi_great (talk) 21:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
This is really more exciting than creating Andhra Pradesh policial bios. They will have to wait for some more time. I will quickly go through the entire article first and then tell you if i can find anything. Back to work.- Aksi_great (talk) 21:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. I have put up my comments on the talk page of the article. I could only go through half the article today. Sorry for that. But it is almost 4 AM now, and I must go to sleep. Will help you more tomorrow. All the best for the FAC. - Aksi_great (talk) 22:29, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for all that work on Ahmedabad. I will try and go though patel again today (with a fresh pair of eyes!). Will leave comments like yesterday (or should I say today). - Aksi_great (talk) 07:23, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:193447id.gif This image seems to have the right only to use on wikipedia but not for commercial usage by anyone else etc. Not sure if it will be allowed to be part of a FA with the new rules. --Blacksun 02:20, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Work on Sikhism

Hi,

Got bored of revising so I made some comments on Talk:Sikhism. Please take a look and give me your feedback! Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 15:10, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just to say hello

I just dropped in to say you a hello. We have stopped talking kya? --Bhadani 15:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sukh's RFA - Thanks!

Thank you for your vote on my RfA. Unfortunately there was no consensus reached at 43 support, 18 oppose and 8 neutral. I've just found out that there is a feature in "my preferences" that forces me to use edit summaries. I've now got it enabled :) Thanks again.

I got so bored, I've decided to thank everyone who voted on my rfa! :) Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 15:37, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of accounts

Hi Nirav, we can't delete an account. Deletion of an account would mean that contibutions to a page would be removed, which would be a direct violation of the GFDL licence. We can only rename it to something else. You would have to make a formal request on Wikipedia:Changing username; is you wish to have it renamed. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 03:48, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FRDPFD WP:PINSAC

Please look into it. I've done some work on the critical analysis and para-style summary. COuld you please help out on the practical issues part, since I can't research for myself because of lack of time. Also, I still haven't understood the need for infobox, since the current style explains the rights comprehensively and also summarizes in paras as you like it.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 04:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I've removed the uncited religion part, and added source text from the Constitution. Also, I don't think I can add any further citations, since most of my research is drawn from the transcripts of the Constitution itself (wikisource). Copyediting, I will leave to you--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 15:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank-you

The count is in, and now I join the crew who wield the mops and pails.
Thanks for your support! I pledge to serve both you and Jimbo Wales.

If you have anything you need, then please don't think to hesitate.

For I am the very model of a grateful admin designate!
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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Sardarvp.png

Thanks for uploading Image:Sardarvp.png. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikipedia are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, or ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Where is the source and how did you date it as 60 years old? Anwar 08:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Youngersardar.png

Thanks for uploading Image:Youngersardar.png. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikipedia are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, or ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Anwar 08:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

{{PD-India}} holds in this case as this photograph could have been taken only before 1947 as Patel died in 1950 at the age of 75. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Youngsardar.png

Thanks for uploading Image:Youngsardar.png. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikipedia are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, or ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Anwar 08:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

{{PD-India}} holds in this case as this photograph could have been taken only before 1947 as Patel died in 1950 at the age of 75. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming

I think the category created by you [17] could be renamed. --Msiev 09:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Freedom fighters category deletion

See the talks going on in Wikipedia_talk:Notice_board_for_India-related_topics#Freedom_fighters_on_CfD. The admin who happened to delete the cat following the proper proposal system has also been contacted. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anwar and Sardar

Hi Nirav. I am very sorry to have not notices Patel FAC till now. I am very sorry. I see that it has gone through a very good copy-edit. The article is one of the most complete ones I have read at wikipedia. I am sure it will smooth through FAC. I have already replied on Gurubrahma's page regarding Anwar. He is starting to irritate everyone now. I thought I good guide him, but he put my comments under heading troll. So I am not going to put any more messages on his page now. But I don't think we should worry about him much and continue what we are doing. I have not been very active for the past few days. Problem with my net connection. I have got net connection which gives me 1GB worth of surfing per month. But thanks to wikipedia, I managed to finish all of that in 20 days. Currently I will have to pay extra for every extra MB I use. So it is like a forced wikibreak. But no such problems from next month as I have applied for an unlimited broadband connection! I hope to give more time to wikipedia then. Hopefully will be able to get Ahmedabad to FA in July. I have to do lots of work. Nichalp has left me some guidelines as comments on the article and also pointed out lots of red links. - Aksi_great (talk) 18:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations!

Please accept my premature-by-5 hours congratulations on becoming WP's newest administrator, as well as for garnering more than 100 votes! All the best with the tools! Rama's Arrow 20:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't jinx it! There's still time (and that would be seven hours, by the way). joturner 21:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] dashes

An em dash is like a comma, and is usually used in a pair—either side of a nested clause—to give the reader a rest from constant commas, and where it's appropriate to mark the separateness of the nested clause. Often, a single em dash is used in the article, where a comma might be preferable. I altered one or two in the lead.

An en dash is used in ranges: pages 4–18, 1997–99, and where 'to' is indicated (the Mumbai–Bangkok flight.

I'll look at the rest soon. Tony 07:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your comment on my page

Hi,

Yes I meant RfC. However I think we can wait a little more while as most of the editors feel that it will be too hectic for all of us and anyways his actions have hardly changed the outcome of any discussion. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Premature Indeed

Yes, indeed. The congratulations was a bit premature. I withdrew from my my RfA (but of course that had nothing to do with your early congrats!). joturner 00:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IIT for FAC

Hi,

I plan to move the IIT article for FAC tomorrow. Please be around to help me with minor copyedit, etc. Thanks, -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Checking Rajput related pages

Can you please chech changes by Tamzigh [18] who is changing many Rajput related pages and adding Shakha ancestory. Thanks. Siddiqui 13:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


Nirav, regarding your message to me, its the usual sockpuppetry vandalism problem and I am hopeful of something being done soon. I don't know what Siddiqui is doing, spreading alarm to so many people about shakha additions, when the word only means "branch" (not race) and refers to genealogy. ImpuMozhi 16:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I didn't know what Shakha meant. It is same Shakh which also means branch in Hindi/Urdu.
Siddiqui 20:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anwar - RfC

Hi, as I have observed before on my talkpage, an RfC may be in order but I can only comment there and not create one. May be we should wait for a week? Eitherway it is fine. Guess you saw his post on WP:ANI and others' comments (including mine). --Gurubrahma 16:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

How abt you messaging Anwar to remove the attacks and appellations on his talkpage in light of the comments on WP:ANI and giving him say a time of 2-3 days. If that doesn't work and if he continues in the same vein, blocking may be the only option left. however, RfC would be much better as it solidifies community concern abt disruptive behavior and justifies the block - as indicated by Taxman and myself. Also, not everyone seems to be in favor of blocking him yet as can be seen from my talkpage. --Gurubrahma 17:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks a ton, I myself forgot it, probly 'coz I became a regular only from August or so. I will hang around, I guess. --Gurubrahma 17:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editing IIT

We both are editing the article at the same time. Let's hope we don't bump into each other. BTW, I removed one image from culture section as it was very cluttered and rearranged the rest to fill in the space. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Marwaoge yaar. If we include these, the article will become so long that it will definitely fail the FAC. Anyway for your curiosity, I can answer them here in jist. The IITs prefer Linux based systems and prefer C or C# for programming (I can't think about any other specific technology). The teaching philosophy in short is simple - allow no nonsense. We never had even a single mass bunking in our 4 years at IITs. The professors are very powerful and their decisions are binding. According to the rules, any answer script corrected by a professor cannot be appealed against. However, we usually appeal as most of the professors employ the research scholars under them to correct the scripts. Usually, theory has 70% weightage and practicals have 30% weightage. Coaching/mentorship is done by students themselves and no "official" way is there. Students have to go for minm 8 week summer training at a reputed industry or scientific establishment. IITs don't have any official career counselling and we depend on our seniors' feedback in order to decide what to do. IITs don't provide laptops to anyone. They used to provide computers at 50% subsidy but after 9/11 the donations dried up a lot and this was withdrawn.
BTW, I saw that you exchanged the images between lead and family section saying that it cluttered the section. An alternative for this can be to reduce the size of the svg image as it remains clearly visible at even very small size. What do you think? -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 20:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I will add the sentence regarding the internship. As for as other minor technical issues, we can handle them easily once the FAC starts. Lagey raho. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 20:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
"dunno why Nichalp was insisting on placing the map within the section, as it was obviously cramped" - Who can claim to understand the mystery of how the great man's mind works? Am thinking of starting an unofficial Nichalp fan club :) What say you? - Aksi_great (talk) 20:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I would help you with that. But only when my things to do list comes down. - Aksi_great (talk) 20:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm back!

Hi,

I'm finally back and I've got some free time to work on Sikhism with you. Let's get this to featured article status! Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 22:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tone's RfA thanks

Dear Rama's Arrow/Archive2006 — Thank you for your support on my recent RfA. It succeeded with a final tally of 46/2/3 so now I am an administrator. I'll be taking things slowly at first and getting used to the new tools, but please let me know if there's any anything I can help you with in the future. And please correct me, if you spot I make a mistake. Thank you again. --Tone 23:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Fair use

He's partially correct. The article does not mention the Dilbert comic strip in any way. If a line on the character of Asok in the Dilbert comic strip can be added, then only can the image be added so as long as the subject of the image is not discussed. I'll leave you to adding the necessary info/image as I won't be editing much these days. =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Asok should be mentioned in the article to have Dilbert there. However, I see someone has already removed it. it would have been very good to have retained the strip.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:53, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pls see

Pls see Mizoram. User anwar saadat is continously adding seperatist flag in the fatcs n figures subsection.Bharatveer 08:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Anwar

Hi Bhadaniji - I request you to please see user talk:Gurubrahma#Need your advice. I wish to clear up some matters regarding user:Anwar saadat, and would greatly appreciate your advice. Rama's Arrow

My reply copied here: [19]. --Bhadani 10:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
See this. - Ganeshk (talk) 23:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
You should update the WP:ANI regarding the User:Budgiekiller's revert. I am sure another admin will remove the text and hopefully will leave more explanative edit summary this time. - Ganeshk (talk) 23:46, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: FRDPFD

I looked over your edits, and they all seem to be good, except the fact that you turned lots of prose into the bullet points. This was one of the objections raised during the first Peer review, including the unnecessary addition of lots of bold text. Please tell me what you think about this.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 15:09, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Concordia newsletter

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[edit] Thank you for your comments in Lar's RfA!

We are here to build an encyclopedia!

Hi Rama (or is it "Mr. Arrow"?? :) ), and thank you for your positive comment in my request for adminship! With a final tally of (109/5/1), I have been entrusted with adminship. It's been several weeks since the conclusion of the process, so hopefully you've had a chance to see me in action. Please let me know what you think! Thanks again! ++Lar: t/c 03:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Blnguyen's RfA

Hello Nirav. Thank you for your gracious support at request for adminship which ended at the overwhelming and flattering result of (160/1/0), and leaves me in a position of having to live up to a high standard of community expectation. If you need any admin assistance, feel free to ask me, and naturally, if I make any procedural mistakes, feel free to point them out and I look forward to working with you in the future, hopefully as a fellow admin. Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 07:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Rama's Arrow! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Prodego talk 19:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Fundamental Rights...of India

Hi Nirav,

I have already worked a lot on the article (see history). I will continue to do my bit once in a while whenever I get time. Tell Shreshth that only by the end of 10h standard does think start becoming dreaded. 10th standard was the easiest class I ever had in my school life. All the subjects are stubs and non-notable. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 20:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats

Congrats, for Patel.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:03, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

Hi Nirav. Patel is FA now. Your hard work has been rewarded and we are blessed with yet another Indian FA. Hopefully from tomorrow I will be able to start browsing and editing again as I used to. - Aksi_great (talk) 05:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Accept my congratulations too. :-) -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:09, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks; and congrats for Patel too. Next article to concentrate on would be Sikhism, followed by Ahmedabad and Fundamental Rights...of India. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 06:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I see that you have great plans ahead. Trying to overtake Nichalp? :). Anyways I already had your suggestion in mind and that is what I plan to do from tomorrow. Any other work would only be as a result of work on Ahmedabad. - Aksi_great (talk) 08:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
One FA a week!! You'll build the encyclopedia by yourself! Great job on Patel, superstar! -- Samir धर्म 09:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plans

So what are the plans? What's in the piepline next? If you do not have already chosen something, i can tell about at least 2 articles that are already in great shape, K. R. Narayanan and South India. See if a collaborative effort can get those to FA status.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

ooops! That's a huge goal! 1 FA a week! of course the way u have planned is very good. Picking up a few books and use them. It is especially befitting for historical subjects. Hope to pass the half century mark for India soon. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:02, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Its a nice coincidence. Perhaps u won't believe, I was thinking to ask you if a FAC drive for Allama would be possible!--Dwaipayan (talk) 13:09, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
First, fix the page. The ref section is in a mess. Then I am telling you.--Dwaipayan (talk) 13:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

The main reason I was interested on the person was the contradiction of his views. His views radically changed (at least I think so, do not know in detail though). Perhaps a deeper insight of this change in views over the course of years could reflect the changes in the Indian psyche, in general, and the Muslim society, in particular, during the first half of the last century. What exactly was the reason the author of sare jahan se accha became a vociferous proponent of partition? It's not easy to understand. It's perhaps rooted in several factors one of which, I think, is, interestingly, better education (of the relatively backward section of the society)! I cannot prove. Just I asked- that's why I am telling. --Dwaipayan (talk) 13:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. This is gonne be a good experience. Sadly, I cannot participate full-blown in the PR - exam :( . Anyway, there will be time thereafter.--Dwaipayan (talk) 13:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
We'll talk about these things later. I do not have time now. IMO it would be a pleasure to talk in these things. --Dwaipayan (talk) 14:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TSA requests

Hi,

It was a pleasant surprise to see the IIT article's request landing there when I went there to submit the same. I have a few amendment suggestions for the request. The summary submitted by you mentions the first 5 IITs itself. This will look incomplete and confusing. However naming all of them would make it look cluttered. My suggestion is that we get rid of that line completely. Also, the last line gives incomplete context (specialized degree one) and that can be removed. If possible we can add the sentence about success of IITs having led to establisment of similar institutes. BTW, whenever you plan to submit article summaries, first check out whether its already present at Selected Content Summary page of Portal:India. It will save a lot of effort. Regards, -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 07:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iqbal PR

Sure. I'll have a look at it and comment tomorrow. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:35, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi!

Sure, I'll see how much I can contribute. Thanks! deeptrivia (talk) 12:57, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Nirav, I'm signing of for the day. If possible try to reduce the verbosity of Shresth's baby! -- Sundar \talk \contribs 13:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Wikilinks

Ok. Its a bad practice to wikilink everyine! Please feel free to de-wikilink those who are not notable. I thought some wives were notable, just for being wives of Iqbal! It becomes a burden to make stubs about all. So please de-wikilink.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:so wat's next?

Hi,

Not decided comletely yet. Maybe I will broaden my scope to add value to different articles in Wikipedia in a small manner, or maybe I will just continue to improve IIT articles. Many of them are still near-stubs. I also thought about recording more India-related FAs, but that will require working with the fan turned off for nearly 3 hours; something difficult in this time of summer. Perhaps I will just wait to find my second muse. Another possibility is that to reduce the time I spend on Wikipedia to 5 hours a day (currently I spend around 10) so as to make way for my work on M.Tech. project. I have been postponing things for a long time and now suddenly I find a lot of work overdue. But anyway, I can't miss my daily dose of Wikipedia. One DYK: I haven't watched a movie since I started working on Wikipedia in the first week of February. Everytime I am faced with any such question, I ask myself whether I want to see what others have done or do what others will see. I always chose the latter. Perhaps I will now find time to watch a couple of movies as my "primary" aim is done. I was also a decent book-worm and when I joined Wikipedia, I added myself to the WikiProject Novels. But since I started working on Wikipedia, I haven't read even a single novel. Perhaps I will try be less Wikiholic and do justice to the 7~8 odd books I bought from Calcutta Book Fair in the last week on January. Everyting before February has started to sound like nostalgia. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 06:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Yaar movie dekhne ki fursat nahi hai aur tum GF ki baat kar rahe ho. BTW, the topic of my MTech project doesn't have an article yet on Wikipedia, and the the "broader" topic I would be working on is a hopelessly short article. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sikhism

Hi,

I've added some more bits and bobs, and covered the most important topics now. All we need to do is to check it for readability and consistency. Check out the to-do list on the talk page for what needs to be done. I'm not sure how we can add all the extra information without drastically going over the size limit :/ Should we try and get it to a FA now by nominating it, or wait? Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 14:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HELP

HELP on the Status of religious freedom in India article...it needs major work.WoodElf 15:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bounty

Hi! Have you seen the bounty on MAK Azad? IMO, we should try this. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Also on Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan.--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Warning

Rama's Arrow, perhaps you should check your sources before you accuse me of vandalizing this page (Indo-Greeks). Check any history book in current existence, and they will not make the audacious claims supported by PHG, seemingly yourself, and others of your ilk. This map is inaccurate: raids do not equate to conquests. The campaigns that brought the greeks to the walls of Pataliputra were credited to Menander, not Demetrius. Do not assert authority that does not belong to you. The edits that were made were warranted. India was not conquered as repeatedly stated in this article. Parts of India were brought under the rule of indo-greeks, but even today, actual historians, with actual phd's are at odds of how far this actually extended. Perhaps you might consider looking at their works.

[edit] Re: Warning

Rama's Arrow,

  It would behoove of you to read the following:

"Edits that blank all or part of a biography of a living person are usually not vandalism but are instead an effort by the subject of the article to remove inaccurate or biased material. Even when such edits are inappropriate, they should be treated as content disputes, not vandalism. In particular, vandalism warning messages should not be left on the talk page of the editor.".

"Bold Edits Wikipedians often make sweeping changes to articles in order to improve them � most of us aim to be bold when updating articles. While having large chunks of text you've written deleted, moved to the talk page, or substantially rewritten can sometimes feel like vandalism, it should not be confused with vandalism."

Consider these lines, and carefully read my post in the discussion page on the Mauryan Empire, before responding. Lastly, perhaps you and your crew should utilize respectable sources before making such suggestions to me. If you continue with your threats, I will escalate this. Your actions, not mine, are in clear violation of wikipedia policy.

[edit] Farewell for now...

I am getting set to leave for New York City by 11 o'clock. I won't be with you Wikipedians until tomorrow morning. After clearing my user page, my next edits will be based in America.

So long...and thanks for all the fish. Bye! --Slgrandson 10:41, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation and Recommendations for writing articles on Hindi Wikipedia

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  15. For the following English vowels met, mate, mat, transcribe as मॅट (short vowel), मेट (not मेइट), मैट (not मॅट, as popular in Marathi). However in contemporary Hindi and here, it is acceptable to use ए instead of ऍ. Thus: अमेरिका is more popular than अमॅरिका. For cot, coat, caught, transcribe as कॉट, कोट, कॉट (not कौट). Transcribe English /t/ and /d/ as ट and ड.
  16. Use half-न before त, थ, द, ध, न, instead of anuswaar अं. Use half-म before प, फ, ब, भ, म. Use the anuswaar before all the rest of the consonants (not half-ङ, ञ, ण). If the मात्रा is not above the alphabet, use chandra-bindu, but only for nasalization. Thus: अन्दर, not अंदर ; अन्त, not अंत ; हिन्दी, not हिंदी ; सम्भव, not संभव ; पंचमी, not पञ्चमी ; अंडा, not अण्डा ; कंठ, not कण्ठ ; लैंड, not लैण्ड ; आँख, not आंख. However, both forms are acceptable in contemporary Hindi as well as here; the prec. are just recommendations.
  17. When proceded by another vowel, use the pure vowels instead of य (unless the य is clearly articulated while pronouncing). Thus : जाएँ, not जायें (not जावें) ; आएगा, not आयेगा . However, both forms are acceptable in contemporary Hindi as well as here.
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Thank you,

Cygnus_hansa 00:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RFA

Thanks
Rama's Arrow/Archive2006, thank you for participating in my RfA. It passed with an amazingly unopposed 77/0/1. Thanks for the support everybody! If you see me doing anything wrong, want to ask me something, or just want to yell in my general direction, leave me a note on my talk page. I promise to try and knock out Wikipedia's problems wherever I may find them!

Staxringold talkcontribs 20:20, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured medal

Thanks a ton, Nirav for the featured medal. Although Ladakh is not yet FA, I'm sure it will soon be! Take care, deeptrivia (talk) 09:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jinnah contradiction

"Jinnah was the eldest of five children born to Jinnahbhai Poonja (1857–1901), a prosperous Gujarati merchant who had emigrated to Sindh from Kathiawar, Gujarat.[3] Jinnahbhai Poonja and Mithibai had six other children—Ahmad Ali, Bunde Ali, Rahmat Ali, Maryam, Fatima and Shiree" ... contradiction...number of children.--Dwaipayan (talk) 11:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You

Thank you for supporting my Request for Adminship! I appreciate it and will do my best to maintain the faith you have shown in me! – Ben W Bell talk 07:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kukini's RfA

Hello, Rama's Arrow/Archive2006, and thank you for vote on my recent RfA! With a final vote of 84/1/4, I have now been entrusted with the mop, bucket and keys. I will be slowly acclimating myself to my new tools over the next months, but welcome any and all feedback and suggestions on how I might be able to use them to help the project. Thanks again! Kukini 05:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Golden Wiki

I sincerely appreciate the Golden Wiki you presented me for the Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians page I created. I am deeply touched that you took the time to do this. If I can ever be of any assistance to you, please let me know.--Alabamaboy 00:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I totally agree with what you are saying (except for changing the page to Fallen Wikipedians--that sounds too much like that old United States commercial "HELP! I've fallen and I can't get up." I've also never been partial to the term fallen instead of deceased.) As you said, it is important to remember all of those who contribute to this project even if their edits get edited over. Without their initial edits whatever Wikipedia eventually becomes would not have happened. I also love the slogan "Wikipedians never die....they just get reverted." That's great.--Alabamaboy 01:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I love that new "immortal star" you just created. Excellent. Unless you have an objection, I'm going to also place it on the Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians page. --Alabamaboy 01:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I think we should create that Immortal Star barnstar. Unfortunately, though, I'm not good with images. But I should be able to snag some other GFDL barnstar and come up with something. Give me a few minutes.--Alabamaboy 01:43, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, snagging another barnstar wouldn't work because they are all so unique (see Wikipedia:Barnstars). Do you have any image software to create a new one with?--Alabamaboy 01:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll do that. Many thanks.--Alabamaboy 01:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kwantus' star

Thank you for honouring the memory of my friend Hume. He was justifiable proud of his contributions to Wikipedia and other online communities, and it's nice to see your note on his page. Good on you. --RobHutten 02:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TY

Thanks for the New username (GangstaEB) !- Gangsta-Easter-Bunny 23:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you - U.S. FAC

Hi,

Thank you for supporting the recent FAC of United States, but unfortunately it failed to pass. However, I hope you will vote again in the future. In the mean time, please accept this Mooncake as a token of my gratitude.--Ryz05 t 15:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chavez and Saravask

FYI, I owe you this. [21]. Sandy 16:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Image:WikiThanks.png Hi Rama's Arrow/Archive2006, thank you for voting in my RFA which failed eventually at a result of (91/51/8). I do not plan to run for adminship until a later date. Once again, I would like to thank you for voting. --Terence Ong (talk | contribs) 14:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks so much!!

 Dear Niravbhai, I can't thank you enough for your support during my recent request for adminship, and for your support and friendship in general. I've really enjoyed working with fabulous contributors such as yourself (users who can say that they pass the Diablo test!). We will collaborate more on India-related article in the near future. If you need anything at all from an admin standpoint, leave me a message or send me an e-mail (it's hooked to my Blackberry). You are such a powerful force here on wikipedia, and I'm truly honoured by all your support. Take care -- Samir धर्म 07:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DVD+R/W's RfA

Thank you for your support in my RfA, which ended with the result of (74/0/0). If there is anything I can help with feel free to ask. Also, if there is anything I am doing wrong, please point that out as well. I look forward to working with you in the future.

Highest regards, DVD+ R/W 01:31, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for your support

Dear Rama's Arrow/Archive2006,
Thank you very much for your support on my recent RfA. I am pleased to announce that it passed with a tally of 72/11/1, and I am now an administrator. I'll be taking things slowly at first and getting used to the tools, but please let me know if there are any admin jobs I can do to help you, now or in the future. —Cuiviénen 02:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank God!!

Hi, saw that Ashtapradhan was on Afd here and thought of sounding you out as you are one of the major contributors of the article. Then I looked at your contribs, realised that you haven't edited WP for more than a week and that your last few edits had to do with deceased wikipedians. I was shell shocked for an instant but thanks to your wikibreak notice, I'm back to normalcy. The article is also in reasonably good shape now. --Gurubrahma 14:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A short Esperanzial update

As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Celestianpower háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] re: Thanks

Hi Nirav, thanks for your compliments and glad to know you value mine. Actually, my role here is more or less that of a catalyst. Even in the case of Tamil language, I just initiated the process and when it was found to fail per FA criteria Arvind - more notably, and others improved the article so fast that it cleared the FA process.

I don't see myself being a single main contributor to any FA. Well, if I get enough time, I should perhaps think of getting Venpa to FA, someday. Currently, I'd like to collaborate with others in getting Languages of India to FA. See the discussion happening in its talk page. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] George W. Bush

barnstar moved to user page Rama's Arrow 20:42, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back!

) I've replied on my talk page. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 00:24, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Presidency portal

Hey Nirav how's it going! I've cleaned up the formatting on the presidency portal. Lemme know if I can be of help any other way too. Later! AreJay 02:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reviews

Sure. Will have a look at Iqbal today, and Bush sometime. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I got an opportunity to read a great article on Iqbal. Have made some copyedits and have left some inline questions as comments. Try to reword certain sentences to fix them. Apart from them, following are my suggestions:
  • no need to mention his name in section headings, it's implied.
  • poetic and writing career - consider renaming this section to something like literary career; a poetic career is not the same as a career writing poetry, no?
  • Though I'm a personal fan of long sentences, I'm not sure if everyone would be.
  • Your use of "would" sometimes creates a monotony. Similarly, though it seems appropriate to use different tenses while talking about literature and politics, I'm not sure if it's acceptable to Wiki style.
  • If at all possible to get pictures other than of individuals, try and add them.
The above are minor issues. You already have my vote at the FAC. :-) -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you...

...for the barnstar with barnstars. I guess it is more like getting interest on the principal of barnstars ;-). Good to see that your wikibreak notice is off as well. --Gurubrahma 06:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Off to bed!

I'm off to bed now, so I'll check up on the article tomorrow. Hopefully this will end better than our RfA's!! Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 01:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Replies

  • George W Bush: Sorry Nirav, but not much time on my hands these days to review articles
  • I don't believe that India has ever stationed permanent troops in Bhutan. I also have read that the Bhutanese government are averse to having Indian troops on its soil so as not to antagonise China.
  • The portal has a formatting issue See: Image:Nepal-portal.png (IE-6 1024x768).

Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Allama Iqbal

Hi, I suggest you look at the comments on the Iqbal page. I have genuine disagreements with some of the changes you reverted.

[edit] Iqbal

The reasons are because I have read Iqbal and no where does he state muslim incompatibility with other religious minorities. If I am wrong than I would like you to point out where did he claim so.

And for the intro, it should go in order of importance as to his fame, identity and contribution. More importantly, the piece you revert it to has redundant information in the intro. Omerlives

Plase see the discussion. I have also removed the citation tag in criticism until I can verify if indeed the citations show that Iqbal advocated incompatibility of muslims with other religious minorities. Thanks. Omerlives 19:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Well any such claims pertaining to very personal issues of a famous personality one really needs to have credible sources. As far as I know most biographers dismiss this issue as rumors. If you are concinved other wise than maybe we can create a link to "Attiya Faizi and Iqbal Controversy" on a sperate page I guess. Omerlives 01:59, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] See Also boxes

Hi RA,

Just like to put in a request as you have done a great job with see also boxes such as Lahore and Karachi. Could you do one for Peshawar, Quetta, Gilgit & Islamabad? Thankyou FAO 04:45 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re

Hey man, I'll look into Nepal over the weekend sometime; sorry, I've been busy at work and have just not had the time. I'll look into the GWB article as well and offer my thoughts. Later, AreJay 13:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Muhammad Iqbal Criticism

Looks much better, thanks. --darkliight[πalk] 23:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Belated

Happy birthday! Many returns of the day. -- Samir धर्म 07:55, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

In Canada, your liver could have been dead for 2 years now! Seriously, don't kill your liver. It doesn't grow back. Gamble instead. -- Evil Samir धर्म 08:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Oops. Even I missed by 5 days. Belated wishes from me too. I thought you were would be elder to me, and you turn out to be younger. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 09:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Your birthday is frightfully close to mine :) Happy Birthday! Oh, and let's make Sikhism FA! :) Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 10:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Happy Birthday!! deeptrivia (talk) 12:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Better-late-than-never birthday wishes on completing two decades! --Gurubrahma 08:29, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Nirav, what can I say, thanks a bunch for the award and happy birthday...go crazy dude! And while I'm at it, happy 4th of July too! AreJay 13:54, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Attacks

When have I attacked someone in my edits?

[edit] Thanks

For your good wishes!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(review me!) 19:37, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Belated happy birthday. You should have told me!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(review me!) 19:41, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Belated Happy Birthday!
Belated Happy Birthday!
Belated b'day wishes. When was it? =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:12, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Nirav,

I just wanted to thank you for your wonderful comments on my editor review. I feel you're right about the exam part, and I have come to realize that editing Wikipedia during breaks is the best policy. Cheers and thanks again!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(review me!) 20:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, but I just had to see Brazil v. France, but it's turning out to be a disappointment, with Brazil being beaten soundly (currently 80th minute). Are you watching too?--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(review me!) 20:37, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I definitely don;t like Aus as far as cricket goes, and I had already told many of my friends that I expected France to win (Brazil has never defeated them in a competitive fixture ever, except once in '58). Anyways, I'm not too interested in cricket, so I don't mind about your Indo-Pak sacrilege. BTW, where do you stay in the US of A?--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(review me!) 20:54, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
You really seem to be out of date with respect to football. ;) Cameroon reached the quarters in the '90 WC. Ukraine was knocked out last night 3 - 0 against Italy (yeah I was awake at 3 am then also), and now, only Germany, Italy, France and Portugal remain in this WC, an all-Euro powerhouse competition. There's no first-timer left. Also, I hope you know that I live in Noida. What's the name of this suburb where you stay0? BTW, I know enough about US geography to know DC is in Maryland. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(review me!) 21:06, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I wanted to reply last night, but there was a power outage, and... Did I say "in", I meant "near". BTW, India had qualified for the 1950 FIFA WC, but were disqualified 'coz they used to play barefoot, since they were so poor. Also, my advice on that IP: if he violates 3RR, then only block him, otherwise, no. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(review me!) 09:03, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

Keep in mind that you too are subject to the same 3RR. 138.49.98.53 20:49, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Hi Rama

Can't sleep, like me. :-) + :-) = :-) :-) :-)?


--Sikh scholar 02:42, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why are you reverting changes on Allama Iqbal article

It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate edit wars.

The paragraph that u are so bent on doesnt have any valid link to support it. The paragraph in the criticism section, provide a valid link for there, or it should stay out. cant u discuss it with other ppl ??

--digitalSurgeon 12:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allama_Iqbal#_note-Naipaul that is not properly referenced. what is that ? some book, i never read it, so that should not be used to make a reference, an online source that can be read is non copyrighted and open to any one should be used.

I am not engaging in any revert wars, i dont have any time to waste any ways, the whole point behind wikipedia is collaboration by a group of ppl, but here it seems the opposite and besides, you come from india, who are you to write any thing about a Pakistani ? I dont go around making a mess of indian articles, i dnt even have time to improve ours. I dont have any anon ally and i dont know what you are talking about ? it's nothing personal for me, I dont know why u are taking this thing too personally, Personal attacks ? what personal attack did i make, seems like you and that other bharatveer are ganging up here.. show me one place where i have not been civil ? I have voilated WP:NPA ? how come ? where ? in your dreams ? show me ! i am having no bad feelings but i am sure you are ... --digitalSurgeon 17:11, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


WP:NPOV, WP:POINT and WP:NPA, it hasnt been 2 minutes since ur last msg and you are already making changes to ie ? well dude, you are also violating all these i am not, the first time i made the change, look what i wrote in the summary ? i asked for a discussion ! did i not ? and every time, your point is not neutral it's an indian point of view... I am asking for a discussion on it. and here you are getting all Jack Nickolson about it.. --digitalSurgeon 17:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I have also been trying to prevent you from just automatically deleting other people's valid and relevant, if not essential changes. If you believe that our changes are wrong, you should DISCUSS them first. Your constant reverts are unacceptable.

[edit] India /Indian

Before 1947

 India -> Indian Subcontinent
 Indian -> Indian, use definations.

After 1947

 India -> India
 Indian -> Indian, use definations.

Is it correct? As we talked. --Spasage 08:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


Use the correct spelling of definition, first and foremost! Good writing skills are essential for someone who exercises so much control over so many articles. --66.25.124.237 19:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Username

According to his talk page he says that 818 is his area code (Greater Los Angeles area). If you're worried about the possible Nazi connotations, I suggest you open an RFC on the username, and if the consensus is on the name change, place a request on WP:CHU. I'd say it's difficult to change the user name on suspicions of Nazi sympathisers. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

My brother is more interested in orkut than Wikipedia. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 20:40, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA Thanks

Thank you!

Thank you, Arrow of Rama, for your support in my RfA. I appreciate your trust and support, and I will do my best to further help this great encyclopædia and community of ours. If there is anything that you feel I can do to help, please let me know. -- Avi 23:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sikhism article

Check out Talk:Sikhism

"ITS JUST A LINK! U DONT HAVE TO BELIEVE IT! JUST ALLOW IT! GOD THIS IS WHY I HATE WIKIPEDIA...THEY ALLOW BRAINWASHED PEOPLE LIKE U TO DICTATE WHAT COMES AND GOES...ITS JUST A LINK UR MAJESTY! ONE SENETENCE LINK!"

LOL. Amusing ;) I don't even know what link this person is talking about... Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 23:54, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iqbal article

I'd like to remind you that Wikipedia is a community-driven enterprise. Articles are not your personal property and its against the rules of free speech (which you obviously cannot comprehend) to simply rip off other people's VALID and RELEVANT additions as "vandalism." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.26.193.45 (talk • contribs).

[edit] 3RR on Indian nationalism

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on a page. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. --Ragib 06:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re

Nirav! Its you! Whats with the new username? and what are you doing up at this unearthly hour? Cool the fire and sleep awhile man! Happy 4th of July. ImpuMozhi 07:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tamne ghanu badhai

Tamne veeswa vad-divas bou bou mubarak! Aasha karu chu ki tamari pratyek mansha poori thai. Beeji vaat, Bhagwan tamne birthday aseesh maa atli buddhi pradaan kare ki evi avsar maa potana mitraney paN ghare bulawine laddu khilav! All the very best for the year ahead. Luv, ImpuMozhi 08:13, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy 4th of July!

Happy 4th of July, Nirav! --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(esperanza elections!) 08:52, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW, nice new sig!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(esperanza elections!) 15:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Threats by you to other users

Hi, before you repeatedly delete other people's edits and make threats, you should EXPLAIN your gripe with what was added by the other person. Makes sense, doesn't it? Wikipedia is not your personal property, and most certainly not a BJP propaganda machine.


Please don't bother to remind me to be civil; I think delibrately changing other people's relevant edits is UNCIVIL. This matter has been discussed several times by registered users, yes, you're right but they DISAGREE with you! Your anti-Pakistani slander is unacceptable.

[edit] My RFA

Thank you for your vote in my RFA, which succeeded with a final tally of 66-0-4. If there's anything I can help you with now that I'm an admin, please let me know on my talk page. Again, thanks! Mangojuicetalk 20:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sikhism is now a featured article!

Finally! :) Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 23:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Great work

I've never given you a barnstar. OMG!? WTF!? Here goes:

--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(esperanza elections!) 05:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


moved barnstar to userpage This Fire Burns....Always 05:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi!

Hello. Noticed you changed you sig a few days back. "This fire burns" sounds really kewl, but it kinda contradicts with itself. o_O
Anyway, just wanted to let you know that I love the irony (though I doubt I've understood it). ;-) -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK08:50, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I must've been blind, but I swear it used to read "This Fire Burns" (sans the always part) before. :P Now it definitely has a meaning, lol. Cheers! -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK13:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Lol, okay so that explains it. Thanks. :) -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK14:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Repeated abuses by Rama's Arrow

If you have a genuine disagreement, state your facts on the discussion page. I suggest you bring in a NON-Indian third party to this discussion since your opinions are extremely biased and factually incorrect. FYI, it's only a revert because you're blocking legitimate comments.--66.25.124.237 06:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Singh

Hi. I have made a number of changes to the Singh article. Please have a look and tell me about rectifications needed. Rajatjghai 07:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iqbal

I reached it a bit too late. Congrats on its promotion. Future tip: if references can be found to address Anwar's points, address it. Else cite the non-availability of clear references. The onus would then be on Anwar to prove his claim. =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Admiship is about correct judgement and a clean record of civility and collaboration. His lone voting record is hardly going to make a dent in the RFA process. As for FACs, his opposition on subjective or vague criteria are going to be overlooked while promoting. Interesting though, he opposes due to a lack of FAs in one's kitty, I'd like to see him getting one promoted to oppose an RFA. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Congrats, Nirav. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I've posted my comment in Spasage's talk page. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 09:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Congrats on WP:FAC! Sorry I was late.... Cheers -- Samir धर्म 05:17, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA support

Thanks for your support in my RfA! It really means a lot to me to see some encouragement from fellow Wikipedians. :) – Mipadi 19:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trolling and sockpuppetry on Muhammad Iqbal

I left a warning on user:Gufran's talk page. If he makes the edit again, we'll block him. Best, --Alabamaboy 19:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that there is a chance user:Gufran isn't a sockpuppet. It's hard to be certain since the account has only made one edit. I'd err on the side of caution and wait for another edit. Best. --Alabamaboy 19:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Babri Mosque edit-war

This may interest you. Seems to be major problems. Note that User:Subhash bose is currently under block.Blnguyen | rant-line 05:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

Hi Nirav! Long time... Yup, everything is fine with me. So, how are you doing? Take care bro.. --Incman|वार्ता 15:21, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow! 5 FAs!! Good going Nirav!!! Well, I am back and will be making edits to Wikipedia every now and then.. --Incman|वार्ता 15:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:"India-Indian"

I thank you for your message. However, I have discovered that we the wikipedians sometime discuss more than doing real work. I would like to participate in the discussion, but I would not do that as several wikipedians may impute motives to the discussion, particularly those who edit here with an agenda and have almost zero knowledge about India except that more Hindus live in India than persons of other religions. Regards. --Bhadani 15:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello Nirav, I thank you once again for requesting me to participate in the issue. I am aware of the discussion and the type of lobbying being conducted ([22]). Please try to understand that I can not compete with editors who are here to destroy the credibility of wikipedia. I am a simple mortal doing a little edits here and there - let the big editors decide big issues! I have only one concern: they should not decide the matter in a way which causes the "virtual death' of wikipedia on a long term basis. However, I am sure that black sheep amongs us shall not survive for long. Regards. --Bhadani 15:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Let the big editors become bigger, but they shall not be able to kill wikipedia! Smaller wikipedians like me beleonging to a poor country shall continue to strive in a small but significant way to keep the credibility of wikipedia alive. I once again thank you for your request. However, I shall not participate in the discussion as I know that truth does not depend on the consensus. Regards. --Bhadani 16:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I missed your birthday party. Already over 2 weeks ago. I wish you all the best. --Bhadani 16:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GW Bush rewrite

Rama's Arrow, I wanted to respond to you personally. I am sorry that my comments made you angry (and perhaps upset you a bit). I know it is obnoxious that I am effectively trying to stop your FA drive. I don't think I can give any further explanation than what I've said on the talk page nine hours ago and just now. Hopefully you can take some comfort in the fact that my straw poll idea hasn't gone anywhere. Though I didn't make such explicit conclusions in my comments there, my own opinion is that your new article is better than the old one. Though I haven't interacted with you before, I know from your old RfA that you are an excellent contributor and an asset to wikipedia. I just think you did this one the wrong way.--Kchase02 T 18:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iqbal

It's all good. I know you're a avid contributor to the encyclopedia and I appreciate and admire that fact. Good omens :). Omerlives 00:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks from Northenglish!

Hi there! Thank you for voting on my recent request for adminship, which did not succeed by a vote of 3/14/3. Not to worry, though; I am far from disappointed. The vast majority of the votes, even those in opposition, were quite positive. To be honest, I was not expecting it to succeed, and nominated myself on a bold spur-of-the-moment decision. Apparently, I'm not quite as experienced as I thought I was--I was sure I registered in February rather than April--but never fear! Emc² said it best: "Besides, you don't need to be a sysop to write good articles." I'll just continue doing what I'm doing, and perhaps I'll see you again in three months' time. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 03:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your response, and I agree wholeheartedly. As I said, many of the voters felt I was doing a good job on Wikipedia, and I plan on continuing to do what I'm doing. Nothing could keep me away from this place. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 04:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Admin coaching

You are signed up for admin coaching, and you are finally near the top of the list! I just wanted to check that you still wanted admin coaching. Please let me know on my talk page. Cheeres, Petros471 11:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Right now :) Your coaches are Blnguyen and Ilyanep. I suggest introducing yourself to them, letting them know what sort of things you're hoping to get out of the coaching and any questions you have etc. It's also a good idea to set up a user subpage to keep all admin coaching stuff together. Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers, Petros471 16:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm fine with using the page, and I also have IRC available for any live action drills etc. Looks like the problem last time was about you taking Ardenn's and Anwar's bait. That's not too much of a problem. I think that is easily fixed as well as muscling up on other stuff also. Regards, Blnguyen | rant-line 04:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Executive branch portal

I'm pretty sure you're prolific enough to already be aware of Portal:Government of the United States, but I wanted to make sure of it. I'm tactful enough (just barely ;) ) to not oppose the portal proposal after I angered you with my suggestion at the GWB talk page, but I'd still be curious to read any response you have to the objection that the content is already covered at another portal. Thanks in advance. Cheers and happy editing!--Kchase02 T 21:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unspecified source for Image:Nazrul10.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Nazrul10.jpg. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be an argument why we have the right to use it on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the file also doesn't have a copyright tag, then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Fair use, use a tag such as {{fairusein|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. feydey 14:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see how to source images, Your http://www.nazrulsena.org/photo_nazrul/index_picture.htm has only links 1,2,3 etc. to various images, please fix the source. Thanks, feydey 21:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your comment on Kylu's RFA

On Kylu's RFA, you mentioned that "Adminship needs a woman's touch." While you almost definately did not mean it as such, I perceived this remark as sexist and as an implicit personal attack. It would be greatly appreciated if you could could try to refrain from making comments that could be percieved like this in the future, so as to reduce wikiStrife. Thanks, and happy editing! -- Where 05:49, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

We misunderstood eachother; I was saying that it seemed like an implicit insult towards male people. I never heard of that proverb; I will look it up. Cheers, -- Where 05:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Ah; I see now the information regarding the proverb. While I still strongly disagree with its usage. nevermind :) -- Where 06:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
No problem. -- Where 06:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Admin Coaching

No problem. Hope you are able at a later time :) — Ilyanep (Talk) 15:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello Rama. Are you okay? Have I done something wrong? Blnguyen | rant-line 02:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to see you had to withdraw. Feel free to re-add yourself to the list at any time :) Petros471 11:00, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mujib FAC

Oh yes I know it is in FAC. In fact, I tried too edit a little. However, nowadays, as you might have noticed, I am restraining the habit of supporting FACs without really going throueg them well. So I may take some time. Also I am not regular nowadays in WP. By the time Kazi Nazrul Islam goes into FAC, I shall be active! Soon I'll request Shmitra for PR of Satyajit Ray. So I guess there will be a number of Indian articles in tghe FAC soon. And this wikiproject India (started by Ambuj??) is a great thing, connecting all the projects. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sikhism

Please check out my new para. Sorry about the delay on the FAC :) Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 21:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BanglaDYK

Updated DYK query On 13 July 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bangladesh Nazrul Sena, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Mgm|(talk) 09:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for voting in my RfA

Sending thanks by frog. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 16:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why would u make fun of my name

I cant believe that u would throw at my opinion because my name has links to Nazism....I mean ur from India for god sakes...Dont u know that Aryan is a common name in India, Iran, Afghanistan, Armenia, Indonesia, and many more countries?....THe nazis stoled it from us and changed the name....but ur acting like we stoled it from them and changed it ourselves....I mean...why would u say something mean like "THIS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS A NAZI SYMBOL OF A NAME?"....GOd thats so sad....and ur Indian so that just makes it worst ARYAN818 18:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mujib

I'm eagerly waiting to take another look, after you are done with your current edits. Thanks.--ppm 21:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure. In fact, I am trying to gather some references myself, but I will not put my nose in while your on it.--ppm 21:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

You have added 3 duplicate references to page 388 of the Katherine book. --Ragib 23:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Hi, I would like to express my gratitude for your participation at my recent RfA. The final vote was 68/21/3 and resulted in me becoming an admin!

For those of you who supported my RfA, I highly appreciate your kind words and your trust in me. For those who opposed - many of you expressed valid concerns regarding my activity here; I will make an effort in addressing them as time goes on while at the same time using my admin tools appropriately. So, salamat, gracias, merci, ありがとう, спасибо, धन्यवाद, 多謝, agyamanak unay, شكرًا, cảm ơn, 감사합니다, mahalo, ขอบคุณครับ, go raibh maith agat, dziękuję, ευχαριστώ, Danke, תודה, mulţumesc, გმადლობთ, etc.! If you need any help, feel free to contact me.

PS: I took the company car (pictured left) out for a spin, and well... it's not quite how I pictured it. --Chris S. 23:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] George W. Bush

Was I mistaken about that page being permanently under semi-protection? My intent was to clarify that, but since I didn't make my intentions clear, User:Zsinj originally reverted the change as well. He pointed out that it would be better to create a new template than substitute and modify the old one, but I don't have enough experience to do so properly. Rompe 02:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

True. Where would I go/who would I contact to get the ball rolling on that? I'm still unfamiliar with most aspects of Wikipedia. Rompe 02:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, and sorry for the misunderstanding. :-) Rompe 02:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mujib

Congratulations on the Mujib article. I hadnt seen it for a while, and I was stunned by the transformation. Any plans for Ziaur Rahman? Hornplease 06:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Hinduization of Sikhism

Ok I put the sources up and stuff so could I link to it in the Sikhism article? I can incorpirate in netrualy without disputing what the other guy said. All I have to remove is his comment on the RSS and then I can insert it without any problems.

[edit] Hello from Ahmedabad

Hey Nirav.. how are you.. We haven't come across each other in a long time. I almost missed the change in your signature. Great! You have been doing some amazing work on all those FACs.. i thought one FA per week wouldn't be possible.. you may overtake Nichalp soon at this rate. I recently created Pisharoth Rama Pisharoty as my comeback article. He was a close relative, so I need a quick POV check. Please point out any errors that you may find in that article. I hope to submit it to DYK after adding a pic from my family albums. Keep in touch. - Aksi_great (talk) 14:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt reply. I will try and find out something from my uncle (his son). But it is very difficult to find out his actual scientific work except for the broad topics like monsoon research. There is this family story of his playing an important part in the Indo-Pak war by predicting monsoon patterns, but that is more like original research and can never be verified. - Aksi_great (talk) 14:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Will check out that article later today. - Aksi_great (talk) 14:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Ahmedabad FAC seems to be a distant dream for me. Actually I have run out of sources for some more addition of info in the article. There are some issues which Nichalp pointed out some time back (they are embedded as comments in the wiki-code of the article). Major issues are mentioned in the PR. I started tackling the issues but then real life caught up. I will now have to have again familiarize myself with the issues about the article as I have lost touch with it a bit. I would really like your help now as I can't spend the same time at wikipedia as I could before. (which means that I can spend 1-2 hours daily now). - Aksi_great (talk) 14:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

On an unrelated issue - why did you opt out of admin coaching? - Aksi_great (talk) 14:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry.. A friend had called. Count me in. In fact, I will try to spend some time tonight itself (after 2 hours). I have college late tomorrow so can afford to stay up till late. If you are online till then, it would be great. Otherwise leave instructions on the talk page of the article. I will pitch in. Srikeit has also offered his help. Let's see what we can do in 3 days. Thanks a lot for this. It means a lot to me. - Aksi_great (talk) 15:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I have to go now. Don't have time to wait for your reply. Sorry. Will come back in 2-3 hours. (By 11:30 PM IST) max. - Aksi_great (talk) 15:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hinduization of Sikhs

Sorry - I picked up the incorrect image tag as vandalism. I've corrected that tag now anyway. Martinp23 14:28, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hinduization of Sikhism

Some people really amuse me ;) lol:

"I'm not discussing this with you any further unless you maintain civility." -- Sukh

"Im not discussing with you until you decide to more helpfull" -- Elven6

Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 16:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm back

Hello. I am back. Are you online?

Ok. I am online just now and ready to give whatever I can to Ahmedabad. Are you online? Your last edit was 1.5 hours ago, so I seem to have missed you again. You have really done some great work. Tell me if there is anything else which I can do. - Aksi_great (talk) 11:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stop making fun of my name

I know u talked about my USERNAME...But that doesnt make sense....Aryan is a common name in the world...It is common in India, Iran, Armenia, Afghanistan, and a whole lot of other countires....Just because some crazy white people CHANGED the meaning of the name, does not mean i have to change my user name....Most in the world dont view Aryan as a bad name....This is only set forth wit Jewish people...the rest of the world does not view it as a Nazi name....and SECONDLY...818 has nothing to do with anything....One guy here on Wikipedia told me he lives in Germany and that he is very familiar with the codes of Nazism, and he told me he never heard of any code from 818....ALSO, if u go to GOOGLE.com and search 818 as a nazi thing, u will barley find anything...I dont even think ull find anything at all....So let me recap....My user name is not offensive to the MAJORITY of people...Aryan is not an offensive name...And it is not my fault that Some white people changed the Aryan name...And 818 is not a sercret code that i ever heard of, that the german guy ever heard of, or that google has any info about...Your not making any sense ARYAN818 22:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanx for giving me a warning...I didnt cuss at u...I didnt threaten u....I gave u a legitiment argument on why I thought u were out of line...and what do u do?....U give me a warning to make me look bad....See this is why I have issue with Wikipedia members like u....Everything always has to be in ur control ARYAN818 20:43, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


That put aside what does the 818 symbolize? I heard it was some Nazi thing

Elven6 July 19 UTC

[edit] Ahmedabad on WP:INCOTW

I have nominated Ahmedabad to be INCOTW, since it's nearly FA. I will copyedit it, and leave comments here, or on the talk page, as you wish. Cheers to your next FA! --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 17:17, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Regarding my RfA, I would like to thank you for your support. Although my RfA did not pass, I am hopeful that a future one will. I hope you will vote again when I try again. Paul Cyr 21:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA thanks

Hello Rama's Arrow/Archive2006, and thank you for your strong support (and very kind comment) at my Request for Adminship, which succeeded with an overwhelming final count of (105/2/0). I was very pleased with the outpouring of kind words from the community that has now entrusted me with these tools, from the classroom, the lesson in human psychology and the international resource known as Wikipedia. The Free Encyclopedia. Please feel free to leave me plenty of requests, monitor my actions (through the admin desk on my userpage) and, if you find yourself in the mood, listen to some of what I do in real life. In any case, keep up the great work and have a fabulous day. Grandmasterka 06:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KILLING RED LINKS

Aye Aye captain - Aksi_great (talk) 08:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures of Ray

I do have some pre 1942 pics of Ray. The thing is, I am not sure if the were published before 1942, or rather taken at that time and published much later (I have seen them in recent books). If you know something of the technicalities involved here, let me know. Thanks--ppm 16:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Under India copyright law (and the same under Bangladeshi copyright law), any image published before 1946 are in the public domain. --Ragib 17:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requesting your assistance!

Hi,

Please take a look at my latest post on Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics. Also, please keep an eye out on Hinduism and the Sikh Panth - I forsee turbulent times! I've reverted it to the original version before our friend arrived on the scene. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 21:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and please take a look at the "2 highly questionable statements" on Talk:Sikhism. Thank you. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 21:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for your support!

Hello Rama's Arrow and thank you for your support at my Request for Adminship, which succeeded with a final tally of (67/0/0)! Please don't hesitate to let me know what I can do for you (or what I can generally do better) regarding admin-related duties or otherwise! :)

Wknight94 (Talk | contribs)

[edit] Buddha Image in Bangladesh

Nirav, Pls look at the talk page of bangladesh to see the discussion.I am having a series of disagreements with the two editors Ragib & shav mitra .These disagreements are mainly based around their intense dislike for anything related to pre-islamic bangladesh.But ironically they like to claim ancient origin of bangladesh as well. For one instance , they were insisting on the sentence that "the origin of word "Bengal" is not known ; when i quoted the references from Mahabharata and Arthasastra , they repeatedly deleted that and finally settled with a reference that word originated from One "dravidian tribe" from some American weblink . SO this issue should also be seen from that angle.I am also sorry to say that i do not agree with your evaluation of ragib.Maybe he is experienced , but other two qualities are sadly missing in him. I am not the offended party here; it is them who are taking offense at that image. So it would be better if you try to avoid the old "EQUAL-EQUAL" stuff here.Bharatveer 06:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Some relevant diffs that seem to undermine Veer's claims: [23], [24],[25] of a world-wide conspiracy! --Ragib 06:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

My dear friend,

Pls see Bengal and please understand that I did not take that budha's image either from kaaba or vatican. Your arguments looks very good for a future wiki admin. My best wishes for that.Bharatveer 13:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ahmedabad

I just checked you message. Will review that later in the day. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

There is absolutely no question of you letting me down. Yesterday was not a good day for me too. I woke up with fever and just when I started editing my internet connection went down (there was some problem with my ISP all over Ahmedabad). I converted many red links yesterday and will complete the rest today. - Aksi_great (talk) 12:09, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I have faced the same problem when I was doing my original research for Ahmedabad. I did buy one book from Crossword which I think is a reliable book. I have mentioned that one in the references (no 11) - "The Ahmedabad Chronicle, Imprints of a millennium", Vastu-Shilpa Foundation for Studies and Research in Environmental Design, 2002. - Aksi_great (talk) 12:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok. I will do what I can. - Aksi_great (talk) 12:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] General Q's

Hi,

Just wondering about your interest in Sikhism. Did you develop this merely working on Wikipedia or did you have an interest before hand? Have you had much exposure to it?

Just some things I wondered ;) Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 22:47, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for supporting my RfA!

Thanks for contributing to my successful RfA!
To the people who have supported my request: I appreciate the show of confidence in me and I hope I live up to your expectations!
To the people who opposed the request: I'm certainly not ignoring the constructive criticism and advice you've offered. I thank you as well!
♥! ~Kylu (u|t) 23:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate the show of support, maybe I'll luck out and revert vandalism on your page again sometime? :D ~Kylu (u|t) 23:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Your comment

Hi again.

I saw your comment on Kylu's talk page. If it is referring to me, note that I do not have any negative opinions of you. I blame the person that came up with the proverb; it would be ridiculous to fault you for using it :). The blame for the misunderstanding rests on me for being ignorant about that proverb. I hope there are no hard feelings on either side about all of this. Cheers, -- Where 01:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, good :) -- Where 13:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The portal approval page is at issue

The Wikipedia:Portal/Proposals page was posing as (or at least was being mistaken as) policy even though it was not. That page has been nominated for deletion, and the deletion discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Portal/Proposals. --Transhumanist

[edit] Apology

This Fire Burns Always is right. I said the wrong thing which may have offended other users and I have broken the rules that you pointed out. For that, I would like to apologize to you and anyone else that I may have offended (including ARYAN818 and the RSS). I would also like to retract the whole sentence of "and is probably a member of those RSS idiots" as it was out of line. Sandeep S K 20:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Rama

Rama can you help me someone remove the relationship with Islam section in the Sikhism article . Can you please help me with vandalism--Sikh historian 01:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re

Ok, Rama it seems like fair point. In Sikhism the influence of Muslim Saints such Kabir and Farid are considered great enough for their works and teachings to added into the holy Guru granth Sahib.

[edit] Re

Hi Rama, I've added it to the talk page before reinsert in again. Its basic Sikh history. I would like your comments.--Sikh historian 01:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your obsession with my contributions to Wikipedia

I'm not participating in ANY edit wars and hence you should mind your own business. Since there is NO topic that is currently in discussion between us, you have NO right to trash my talk page.

If there is an article that you and I are BOTH actively contributing to AT THE MOMENT, then you can make your comments. However, seeing that there is nothing like that right now, please refrain. Your constant unwarranted attacks will not be tolerated.--Disinterested 06:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC) Here's the official line from Wikipedia about what you're doing Template:Civil3

[edit] Hi

Hi Rama, I strongly agree with about the Sub-section relationships with being unnecessary. As a Sikh I feel proud to have a human being like you to defend the Sikh faith's unique identity so thank you my well loved friend.

Frankly I strongly disagree with the idea of such subsections because it overrates and convulutes the question/data - too much of history, politics and theology are put together to hodge-podge a sketchy issue. If there is a particular Hindu or Sufi influence, just state it as a matter of fact and avoid making generalizations about one religion or another's influence on Sikhism - these 2 proposed sections sound like Hinduism/Islam is trying to claim ownership.

I think there should be discussion on whether the sections should be taken off and just state it as a matter of fact--Sikh historian 12:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Lol...the portal should be working fine now! AreJay 13:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I have to again say, how much respect I have for your defence of the Sikh faith. I really does make me emotional to known that the Sikh faith has such good friends, such as your self. It fills me with a great deal of love, respect and the feeling of brotherhood for you. Thank you--Sikh historian 14:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

No Rama's arrow, I will always consider you a top human being and a good friend of humanity--Sikh historian 14:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

With friends and good people like you, always. If there was more people like you in the world, the wounds would be healed within 2 years.--Sikh historian 14:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Career and later life

Though still incomplete, do u think "Career and later life" section in Ray is going the right direction in filling the lack of personal information you were mentioning? Thanks for great input throughout--ppm 18:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Admitting the rightness of various particular concerns of yours, I believe an artist's article should contain a part that talks solely about his art, with no reference to his life at that period. An artist is not a politician, where his every act is a personal one. An artistic conviction can be very different from a personal conviction, for example Gandhi's celibacy says something about Gandhi, but the array of prostitutes in Jana Aranya says nothing about Ray. Tagore and other biographies on artists have similar sections.--ppm 23:08, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I guess what I am saying is Ray didn't necessarily think differently while making Pratidwandi and Goopy in the very same year, one on the Naxalite movement, and another a breezy fantasy. Ray's thinking was a consummate whole, its hard to see which of his thoughts should be associated with which particular film. --ppm 23:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


The problem with Nazrul is there has been very little work on him in English, as there has been much in Bengali. I guess Bengali references wouldn't really work. I happen to be a Bangladeshi, and it is perfectly fine for u to ask. Abt a comments of yours: "Also, you must NOT make that judgment but instead present facts of his life in an orderly fashion and let the reader decide." -- I'm not sure I understand what you are referring to here.--ppm 23:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I'll be focusing on "Middle period (1965 - 1982)" in the Ray article for a while, so you can work on other parts without any risk of conflict.--ppm 19:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Castes and Tribes of the Punjab

Dear Nirav (if I can call you that), I am asking your opinion on this festering dispute that has developed between myself and Satbir Singh since the past few days. As a matter of fact, I have just finished another "bout" of a revert war and I am really fed up.

The facts of the matter are like this:

I created a template called Castes and Tribes of the Punjab with a view to studying the caste and tribal groups that exist in what was the ancient Punjab region (Punjab (Pakistan), Punjab (India), Haryana and Himachal Pradesh). My intention, unlike any Ibbetsons, Todds or Cunninghams was to study these groups from a purely anthropological perspective sans any controversy so that people visiting this portal would get to know about the huge mosaic that my province is.

I started with a few groups. But soon enough the groups began to increase. For the sake of brevity, I grouped them under Categories. As the template evolved, I learnt not to name any category speculatively.

The final categories were:

Brahmin groups. Dalit groups. Jat clans. Khatris and other groups. Rajput clans. Shaikhs and other groups. Tarkhans and other groups. Others (groups to which i could not attribute any specific status). In the last (Others), I also included groups such as Kamboj, Khasa, Ahir and Gujjar. However, Satbir Singh (whom I would call a "Kamboj yokel") separated them and bunched them under a new category called "Surviving Ancient Kshatriya Tribes".

Since that day, a revert war has been on between the two of us. According to Satbir, these groups such as the Ahirs (the ancient Abhiras), the Gujjars (Gurjaras), the Khas (the Khasas), the Kamboj (Kambojas) and Yadav (Yadavas) are ancient Kshatriya tribes mentioned in a number of ancient Sanskrit texts.

My own personal opinion is that all this is true. However, some points must be noted:

The Varna System is a topic subject to a lot of controversy and dispute. I have been noticing this in recent weeks. Pages such as Khatri, Rajput, Kayastha and Bhumihar have been vandalised because many people don't agree with the Varna status of these groups. If the Ahirs, the Gujjars, the Khasaa, the Kambojas and the Yadavas are Kshatriya groups, then so are the Rajputs, Jats, Khatris, Tarkhans et al. I did not create a category entitled "Kshatriya groups" in the first place because I knew I was treading on soft ground. All the above mentioned castes claim Kshatriya status. But we all know, how disputable these claims are. The rigmarole that is the Varna System is known to us all. For example, the Jats, who in the Vedic and Mythological periods were workers should be placed in the Shudra Category under the Varna System. But many Jats clans consider themselves the equal and perhaps the superior of Rajputs as adhrents of Kshatriya Dharma. My own caste, the Khatris and related groups such as Aroras claim Kshatriya status. But we have seen on the Khatri page as to what became of that claim. Ahirs, Gujjars and Yadavs are considered to be OBCs in most Indian states inspite of their being the descendants of ancient Abhiras, Gurjaras and Yadus. There is a controversy raging on the Yadav page presently if I am not wrong, on the status of the caste. Taking all these points into consideration and being aware of the fact that there are users (say Sanjay Mohan and Holywarrior, who have caused great disputes on various caste pages, I proposed categories such as "Kambojs and related groups" (Kamboj, Kamboja, Kamboh and Khasa) and "Gujjars and realted groups" (Ahirs, Gujjars, Dhangars and Bakarwals). But Satbir Singh and another user named Sze cavalry01 objected to it. They returned to "Ancient Kshatriya Tribes". I did a little compromise by making it "Ancient Warrior Tribes", which I later realised would also be POV. Therefore, I changed it to just "Ancient Tribes" - A completely unspeculative term.

However, Satbir Singh does not agree. He calls it a "gross suppression of known historical facts", "a crime against history" and "a political agenda" and has termed me a "Vandal". I have put forward my points. But both of us are yet to agree. The fellow is really nuts.

I have fighting a revert war with him for almost a week now. Have a look at the template's history page and Satbir Singh's talk page to get a complete idea of the whole fracas.

This fight has become downright silly. I surely don't expect myself to spend my time, money and energy on such a silly matter.

I am so distressed that I am even thinking of leaving this site.

I have contacted a number of people on this issue. Sukh was the first. This morning (India time), I contacted Bhadani, Gurubrahma and ImpuMozhi. After yourself, I will also contact Nicshalp.

I urge you to have a look at the whole matter. Whatever is you opinion would be agreeable to me. Please help! That buffoon has promised to play the "ball-game" (revert war) when he returns in the evening. I surely don't wan't to engage myself with a caste iconclast again.

You can consider this as an "SOS".

Regards. Rajatjghai 04:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I have, as of now, protected the page to prevent this major revert war. Please discuss changes and reach consensus on the template's talk page.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 04:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean to say that my account could be suspended? Please tell me how to prevent that. I surely don't wan't to be "de-classified" because of a silly fight with a dunderhead. How can I commit myself not to revert war? Rajatjghai 05:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I have made a declaration on the talk page to Shresth. Please have a look. About your suggestion of enlisting help from other people, well I have sent messages to the following users: User:Vikramsingh, User:ISKapoor, User:Lostintherush, User:Ganeshk, User:DaGizza, User:Nobleeagle and User:Ambuj Saxena to come and express their view on the talk page of the template. Thank you for the valuable advice and the support on the talk page. Highly appreciated. Regards. Rajatjghai 06:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] For your great contributions to Wikipedia...

Tireless Contributor Barnstar

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
I hereby award you this barnstar for your tireless contributions. --Draicone (talk)


For all your tireless contributions to Wikipedia, I felt you deserved one of these :) --Draicone (talk) 13:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi How are you? Its been quite a long time since we talked. I am pretty ok. Why did you suddenly remove yourself from History of India project? You are in it - in a tremendously active way!--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Check this out

Kidda Nirav Ji!

This line by our friend, Aryan, is a corker: "ANd your not making references...All ur doing is going by books made by scholars." (see Talk:Hinduism and the Sikh Panth). I'm at a loss to explain to him why his changes are so controversial, and, plainly wrong. I've tried my best, but he just fails to comprehend what I'm trying to say. Maybe we need someone neutral (i.e., not us) to explain it to him? Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 21:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

Hi Nirav. I was just wondering, would you be willing to go for another RFA? I would like to nominate you if so. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 21:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stalker

Whats your problem? Why the heck are you always stalking my posts and edits? If it makes you feel big pushing me and Aryan around like that then you better stop before I report it. And I was not in a edit war, I put it up for deletion after people in the talk page were discussing its deletion, Aryan kept getting rid of it.

[edit] George W. Bush Article

I think you should stop making biast re-writes of the Bush article. I mean, it's kind of obvious that you aren't showing a NPOV. When you remove specific information, such as how George W. Bush used drugs, and admitted to using drugs, and then not add it in again. I mean, how are people suppose to take that, especially after you put in a user box that says "I revere George W. Bush". I also think you need to leave Aryan alone. You CANNOT try to discredit someone just because their name is Aryan. I mean what the hell is wrong with you? You call someone a Nazi? I'm part Jewish (1/4) and it doesn't offend me in the least. You sound like a typically Bush supporter, willing lie and try to bully people around to prove your point. A NPOV means you can put up whatever facts you want (if they really are facts), not remove them. The wikipedia has standards, which you "claim" to try to uphold, and by omitting facts and stalking people, you violate them. Stop Me Now! 01:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FAC

Hi, I've nominated Adi Shankara for Featured article. If you feel like it, leave your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Adi Shankara. Thanks.--Babub→Talk 06:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I've expanded the article's sections. Do check it out and give your comments, if any, on the FAC page. Thanks.--Babub→Talk 11:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IIT Kharagpur

Hi Nirav,

Can you please have a look at Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur article and copyedit it. I will also appreciate your comments in its PR. Thanks, — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 07:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for helping with copyedit. However, I am unable to get why you moved the Illumination pic from Illumination section to Alumni section. There wasn't even any image crowding problem. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Here's my reponse to your suggestions.

The article is, in fact, a customised version of the parent article. For example, I have removed to history relating to other IITs, and went into detail of history of KGP. I was able to outline only a little more change to the Org. structure. I would have preferred to get rid of it and incorporate salient points in other sections, but Nichalp would have insisted on it, because it exists. The Admission section is also almost a copy, but is essential for the article to stand on its own. The trouble with IITs is that they have deliberately been made so similar that to find out differences other than geographical ones goes in the realm of trivia. The effect of IIT on Kharagpur is a good suggestion and I will work on it, but by initial estimates, it would also be a paragraph at max. In fact most of the effect is politically which goes around ear-to-ear and not possible to report in encyclopedia. But yes, there are things that can be mentioned. Kharagpur is not an industrial town. It is a major railway centre, which is quite un-affected by IIT's presence. A sentence from Kharagpur article sums up the relation best: "IIT has not aided the town in its development and relations between IIT and the residents of Kharagpur are uneasy at the best." I have gone extensively through the history of IITs and have drawn a blank. What I know, has been written in History of IITs. The contribution of IIT KGP to India is a bit poetic, and is best summarised in the alumni section, and the main IIT article (mostly the legacy and precedents discussed in criticism section). Here again, the "type" of contribution is very similar to the other IITs. IITKGP's contribution to all India student activity is definitely = 0.00 . Student politics is very strongly discouraged. People can't even take out victory processions. They can't openly campaign. If only official voter-candidate interaction is allowed through designated meetings, and the only other way is to distribute pamphlates; you can imagine the shroddy state of student activism. This was the reason why IIT KGP couldn't contribute much to the anti-reservation protests. But this is a good idea to write upon. I can describe why its nought! I can discuss more of student clubs and organisations. I have additional photographs ready, but the article isn't! There is no place to add more photos. Anyway, thanks for the suggestions. I will work on them, but the best that can happen is 3 paragraphs. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Misza13's pile!

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[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 22 July 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jogendra Nath Mandal, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

-- Grue 19:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Have you seen this?

Hi,

Just saw this diff.

— Ambuj Saxena (talk) 04:47, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I was surprised at the wacky text inserted, but then figured out it must be somewhere similar wacky. So, here is the link from which it was cut-pasted. --Ragib 04:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK nom

Dutta Samant is a nice article, but lack references, and for that reason is unlikely to be selected. Circeus 18:32, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I have nothing against the use of external links as references. However, references should be clearly labelled as such, as per external links style guide: Sites that have been used as references in the creation of an article should be linked to in a references section, not in external links. Circeus 19:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Working on it with {{cite news}} as I type this. Circeus 19:54, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and one last thing. Why areall the sources and links giving his firstname as "Datta" instead of "Dutta"? Circeus 20:31, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1874 in Indian History

Hi, Rama! I ran into this in a categorization and stub-setting hunt. Are you planning on some text here, or is this intended as a cross reference? Bob --CTSWyneken(talk) 21:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

OH, I see. You set the category. It's 1874 in India. Do you think it has merit? If not, I'll recommend it for deletion. --CTSWyneken(talk) 22:07, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I'll do some checking to see what folks think. I can see these go both ways. Thanks for your thoughts! --CTSWyneken(talk) 22:46, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adieos

Dear Nirav, I really wanted to apologize. You have had to take brickbats from people just because you supported me. However, since you are mature and civilized enough, you have avoided taking up the bait. Indeed, that is the best policy: If you avoid somebody, it is enough to kill him.

I however, have not reached that level as yet. I am very sensitive in such matters. I have never come across people like the ones that I have met in the process of making this template.

You can have a look at the talk page. Inspite of my talking politely, I was provoked today into making personal attacks - something that I have never done on this site before. I am extremely ashamed of myself.

I am also disappointed that other than you, Sukh, ImpuMozhi and Unitedroad, none of the other editors and administrators whom I contacted have expressed their views. Indeed, most consider it a puerile issue - something to laugh over.

I have had enough. Fortunately, my new job starts from next week and I will be leaving my hometown for a new place. I told this to Sukh a few days back. The nature of my job would be such that I won't be able to devote my time to anyother activity.

As for info-gathering, I think I will still surf Wikipedia, but I won't edit. There's too much gand (I can't find anything more appropriate than this Hindustani term) here. Besides, there are always the other media. You know I used to read the Paki np, Dawn at one time. However, there was so much vitriol on it that I stopped reading it since it left me benumbed. That is what is called "self-regulation." I will try that same experiment in this case as well.

On the plus side, it was a pleasure to have worked with yourself and Sukh on the Sikhism article. Also, my knowledge has incresed tenfold since I started surfing Wikipedia. It would be a sad loss, but no matter.

Give my regards to Sukh. I wish the both of you success in Wikiproject:Sikhism and all future projects. May you add more trophies to your cabinet.

If there is any "farewell message" (can't find a better word), you would like to give to me, please type it here itself since I won't be visiting my userpage.

God Bless! Rajat. 203.187.198.110 21:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

It is indeed disappointing news. What I try to emphasize to folks who have such thoughts is that Wikipedia is an endeavor to build an all-accessible, universal and reliable source of knowledge. The disputes between users have no importance whatsoever, and should not be dwelled upon at all. Users will come and go, but the knowledge is what stays, grows and remains important - indeed, many Wikipedians have died, but we take special efforts to commemorate their contribution, which remains immortal (See Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians).

I understand your job is the key reason, but that's no reason to avoid surfing Wikipedia and contributing in whatever time you can spare. Maybe not this year or the next, but in the future you can always return. I hope to be here for the rest of my life (and thus secure my own place in "Deceased Wikipedians," hehehee...). One always learns more from Wikipedia than one contributes.

So this is not "good-bye." Your contribution will live on and I certainly hope you will read Wikipedia articles and enhance your knowledge. And if you feel like it and find the time, your place as a contributor of knowledge will always be here.
I thank you for being a "Guru" to millions of people across the world, including me, for that's what a Wikipedian is - a teacher and student. Jai Sri Rama! This Fire Burns Always 21:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hi

hi i am a devout hindu and seeked to talk to someone with profound knowledge on this subject.

first of all can i have those images where u say about the users beliefs on my main page, since i am not an administrator.

secondly can u just elaborate that, if i am right, buddhism and jainism are just extension to hinduism. and is it true that buddhists also believe in vedas. i have many more querries, if u are not too busy.

nids 07:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dutta Samant

Updated DYK query On 24 July 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dutta Samant, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Great DYK article! -- Samir धर्म 13:25, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My edits

I was being melodramatic. Don't take it personally. I'm working as hard as I can.Netaji 19:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FA drive

Sorry for not delivering on my earlier promise of looking at Ahmedabad. Will definitely look at Azad and History of Mumbai. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello. Nichalp has embedded a few more comments in the text. I have tried to correct a few things that he has pointed out, but could you have a look too? I could not find a book at crossword. They said that it would be better to check out next month. So we'll have to do with what we have for now. - Aksi_great (talk) 12:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

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[edit] Bush

I do not have a 'deep hatred' for Bush. My edits were appropriate, and explained. Some of them were wording and grammar! So excuse me, but I can edit this article.jawesq 05:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't wish to get into a revert war with you, either. However, I corrected grammar, as well, which you simply reverted willy-nilly, and removed an improper [citations needed] because it is very common knowledge that Katrina was a blow to Bush. It has been all over the press, and a citation is not required under these circumstances. Finally, a long quote is not good form. jawesq 05:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I consider your comments unreasonable. I said nothing that was uncivil, so your tag is a gratuitous insult. Perhaps you need ot look at your own actions. Much of what you reverted were improvements on sentence structure and wording, and had nothing to do with adding or deleting anything. I did leave in the long quote, although it is bad form in an article like this.jawesq 05:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I am not going to debate this further with you. There is no rule that you cannot delete something on a talk page. It is not 'uncivil'. Your comment that I must "Hate Bush deeply" was uncivil. I do not like Bush. I do not hate him. There is a difference. Now please do not comment furhter on my talk page.jawesq 05:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Your worship of Bush ("This user reveres") is your affair. However, you are allowing it to color your conduct towards others. Your conduct to me was threatening, and uncivil. I suggest you stop. Now. jawesq 14:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rama's Vandalism

Your stalking my talk page with warnings is not only childish, but it is not going to help you and it accomplishes nothing. You are not discussing anything with me - you are simply vandalising and insulting. I AM going to remove your vandalism from my talk page. Also, as you can see, I do leave criticism on my talk page. I do not leave pure harrassment and vandalism. As to the Bush article, I have left Bush's quote. I think it is ridiculous to include it in this article, but I left it. It seems reasonable to discuss it on the talk page, first, and frankly, I don't care all that much if it is left or not. I just think it is bad writing style. And, I left the bad formatting. Cheers. Other edits I made are appropriate additions, with appropriate references. NOW STOP STALKING ME. I have nothing against you, particularly, although I do consider your behaivor ridiculous and more like a temper tantrum than any legitimate communication. Also, I rarely edit the Bush article, since I am simply not that interested in it. Bush is a lame duck President, and will go down in history as being one of the worst, if not the worst, Presidents in US history, without your help, or mine.jawesq 15:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Azad

I am unable to find out the Azad book (India Wins Freedom)!! Thought it would be a good source. I had the book in home, but cannot see it now. That's bad! Please try to attend to the citation needed tags. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 08:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ahmedabad and others

Hi, Ahmedabad is very close to featured quality. Can you consider moving ==Economy== one section down and ==Transport== two sections down ? The link density is annoying in ==Education and Media== If all of them have to be there, consider splitting it into two sections. Will give more feedback as I read.

I've done a light review of History of Mumbai. Will work on Azad as I find time.

By the way, the sentence that begins with "Unusually peace" in your userpage is evidently broken, but I'm not able to fix it for fear of misinterpreting you. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Are you using a shared computer? Or a computer that acesses Internet through a proxy? If not, just try clearing your cache first. If you want me to diagnose further, capture a screenshot and send it across. Or, better still, you could ask at the pump. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 13:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bush Article

I added a comment on the talk page. I would appreciate your comments, and reasoning for inclusion of the inaugural address quote. Generally, it is not good writing style to include a long quote. If consensus is to keep it, at the very least, the formating should be corrected.jawesq 15:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A'bad

Hello. I saw your edits to Ahmedabad today. I think most of the issues that Nichalp pointed out are addressed now. I think he will come up with some more things. There are some things from the PR that are still not adressed like crime stats and more about public utilities and police. I will try and find some data for that. Looks like you have had a busy day. If you get time in the next few days could you review me? (and that goes for all other people who read this :)). Thanks. Link's in my signature. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 18:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


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