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Contents 1 Cocaine and tobacco 2 Merge 3 Request for comments: Ramses/Rameses/Ramesses 4 Correction= 5 90 less than 40? 6 The Pharaoh of the Exodus 7 Ramesses or Ramses 8 Death 9 Does anyone know the source for his birthdate? 10 V0.5 Nom 11 GA status 11.1 Removed dates 12 Automatic peerreview ... 13 Left-Handedness 14 RED HAIR? 15 Picture 16 Vandalism 17 Length of article 18 Requested move 18.1 Survey 18.1.1 Survey - in support of the move 18.1.2 Survey - in opposition to the move 18.2 Discussion

[edit] Cocaine and tobacco

There are several facts about finding trace amounts of cocaine and tobacco inside the mummy of Ramesess II. Is this fact to be considered?

[edit] Merge

This should probably be merged with Rameses II and one made into a redirect. Dates need to be straightened out? -- Infrogmation 07:22 23 May 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comments: Ramses/Rameses/Ramesses

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ancient Egypt#Ramses/Rameses/Ramesses. –Hajor 18:08, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Correction=

It's not the Battle of Kadesh (see comments there at talk) but the Second Battle of Kadesh R. II lead. His dad, Pepi I lead the first. I've changed the text to reflect this correction. --FourthAve 05:05, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 90 less than 40?

This sentence under the "Life" heading doesn't make sence, anyone have correct numbers?

"The writer Terence Gray stated in 1923 that Ramesses II had as many as 20 sons and 20 daughters; more recent scholars, however, believe his offspring, while numerous, were far fewer, somewhere around 90."

[edit] The Pharaoh of the Exodus

This section states that "The identification is problematic for several reasons", but only one reason is given. Someone might want to do something about this. Tim 23:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Looks like one of the reasons has been deleted along the way, so I have reinstated it.

Shouldn't it be titled "The Pharoah Of Exodus"?

167.135.61.134

No, that's fine - "Exodus" is a book of the bible; "the Exodus" was a historical event. That wording is fine. CastorQuinn 09:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ramesses or Ramses

It is Ramesses in the title and called Ramses in the actual page. Make up your mind!!! I think there should be a decision about which name to call him by.

Darth Cow

This article is now called "Rameseses II" although the preferred spelling in the articles is "Ramesses II". Shouldn't this inconsistency be sorted out? Cheers, Jacklee 13:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Death

How did he die?

He died from an infection behined the one ear and severe tooth decay. He probably spent his last days in agony. Harioris 11:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Does anyone know the source for his birthdate?

I haven't found the year of his birth in any of my 10 books. Which book did whoever put his date of birth of 1302 get it from?

[edit] V0.5 Nom

This article was nominated for V.05 but I failed it because it has inline citation and a mess in refeneing and I don't consider further reading as one, also feels like it's too short, I'm sure it can be expanded. Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 17:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I just un-inlined the citations, although there are many that probably need to be added as well Markh 11:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA status

It has been suggested that this article be de-listed from WP:GA, the main reason is that the lead section. Egypt from either 1279 BC to 1213 BC or 1290 BC to 1224 BC for a total of 66 Years these two sets of dates need to be addressed. The article only supports the 1279 BC to 1213 BC. Please clarify the other dates Gnangarra 15:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

It's been a week, what do we do about this? :/ Homestarmy 02:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

With no knowledgable editors monitoring, actively maintianing this article I think it should be delisted, lets wait until after 25th, two weeks to respond seems reasonible Gnangarra 03:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed dates

I have removed these dates 1290 BC to 1224 BC from the article as the article only supported the other dates, I personally have no knowledge beyond this article that can support this edit). If this edit is an error please rectify the changes and cite reasons..Gnangarra 03:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I have cited this date (and a few other things), there are other dates that exist for his reign, so they should probably be added back in, when they can be given a citation Markh 21:09, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I just learned that there is a question about the chronology of this well-known Egyptian ruler, which threatens its Good article status.I'd like a few days to write up some text explaining the issues around providing Ramesses definite dates. (See Egyptian chronology for an example of the material I'll be using.) -- llywrch 01:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

GA status has been retain as User:Markh had already addressed the major issue and indicated that further edits were ongoing. That being said the article would benefit from the efforts of more than one knowledgable editor thank you. Gnangarra 06:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Automatic peerreview ...

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• Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at WP:LEAD. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.^[1]
• Per WP:CONTEXT and WP:MOSDATE, months and days of the week generally should not be linked. Years, decades, and centuries can be linked if they provide context for the article.
• Per WP:MOS, avoid using words/phrases that indicate time periods relative to the current day. For example, last year might be terms that should be replaced with specific dates/times.^[2]
• If this article is about a person, please add {{persondata}} along with the required parameters to the article - see Wikipedia:Persondata for more information.
• Please alphabetize the interlanguage links.^[3]
• Watch for redundancies that make the article too wordy instead of being crisp and concise. (You may wish to try Tony1's redundancy exercises.)
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• As is done in WP:FOOTNOTE, for footnotes, the footnote should be located right after the punctuation mark, such that there is no space inbetween. For example, change blah blah [2]. to blah blah.[2]
• Please provide citations for all of the {{fact}}s.
• Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that the it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 2a. ^[4]

You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Markh 20:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

• Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at WP:LEAD. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.^[1]
• Per WP:CONTEXT and WP:MOSDATE, months and days of the week generally should not be linked. Years, decades, and centuries can be linked if they provide context for the article.
• If this article is about a person, please add {{persondata}} along with the required parameters to the article - see Wikipedia:Persondata for more information.
• Please alphabetize the interlanguage links.^[3]
• Watch for redundancies that make the article too wordy instead of being crisp and concise. (You may wish to try Tony1's redundancy exercises.)
  • Vague terms of size often are unnecessary and redundant - “some”, “a variety/number/majority of”, “several”, “a few”, “many”, “any”, and “all”. For example, “All pigs are pink, so we thought of a number of ways to turn them green.”
• As is done in WP:FOOTNOTE, for footnotes, the footnote should be located right after the punctuation mark, such that there is no space inbetween. For example, change blah blah [2]. to blah blah.[2]
• The article will need references. See WP:CITE and WP:V for more information.
• Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that the it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 2a. ^[4]

You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Markh 20:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Left-Handedness

The list of famous left-handed people includes Ramesses, but this article has no mention of his left-handedness. Anyone have more details? -Nulbyte 04:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

On the walls of the temples and other monuments he is often depicted holding objects (burning incences,ankhs and other things ) in his left hand.

[edit] RED HAIR?

Any RELIABLE source of Ramses II having red hair? I've seen this claim here and around the internet but couldn't find any credible source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 196.219.138.180 (talk) 14:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

Mummification can turn hair red. I have no doubt that his hair may be now red, but I do doubt that he was born with it, and I think you have indeed stumbled over a viral internet rumor. Thanatosimii 20:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Ramesses II was indeed a red head from microscopic examination of hos hair fibres. (see Bob Brier, The Encyclopedia of Mummies, Checkmark Books, 1998., p.57) Brier may have indulged in idle speculation over the so-called 'murder of Tutankhamun' but he is a first rate anatomist at Long Island University. This establishes that Ramesses II's family came from the Levant and migrated to the Delta region which was this king's family home base in Egypt. Leoboudv 06:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Can somenone add more pictures to the article, aspecialy the building and monuments part?

There's plenty of pics freely available for use on Wikimedia Commons, under the category Ramesses II, see: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ramses_II. Just make sure that what you use goes with the text, though you can also create "galleries" of like images, see the bottom of the Brussels sprout entry for an example. Cheers! Captmondo 13:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

This is another page undergoing a lot of vandalism from unregistered IP addresses. Another which springs to mind is Moses. Isn't there anything we can do about this? Robin S 23:04, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Length of article

This article is now massive and rambling. Can the works and other stuff that were taken out (again) and put in the articles which already exist for them, this avoids repeating the information and allows this article to flow properly. Markh 11:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

This article has been renamed from Rameseses II to Ramesses II as the result of a move request.--Stemonitis 10:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)