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[edit] Article has been trashed

The English is garbled, personal opinions run wild, much of the material is copyvio -- aargh. This is going to be a nasty cleanup job. I may just revert to an earlier version, before the article was attacked by fans. Zora 19:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Yes, it is trashed by you

When there is link of very reliable source, then whatis wrong with you to delete it Zora?

Be nice and calm one, if there is anything come and discuss here. You are well-aware of the policies then why aren't you following them? Don't become "obscure" one, for us.

I don't know what policies you think I've violated, Mr. Khan. The text you keep adding seems to a copyright violation, a copy of the newspaper article that you call a "very reliable source." The article was written in sub-standard English to start, and your own shaky command of English has added to the problem. The article is full of the personal opinions of the journalist, which you are just repeating as if they were "true." They're his opinions, nothing more. Now we can cite published opinion, in the form "Journalist X said Y in his Bollywood gossip column of Z date" but in this case, I don't see much point in citing the article. Frankly, it doesn't seem all that relevant to me. We try to deal with verifiable facts, not subjective assessments about "who's hot and who's not." Zora 07:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed some text

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a film gossip column. We don't classify all movies into hits and flops, and actors into superstars and failures. Actors can be described as popular. If they're adored by fans, give referenced instances of such idolization. I removed some film-column language again. Please, M. Khan, if that's you editing from an anonymous IP -- read some of the better film star articles, like Nargis and Amitabh Bachchan. Zora 04:34, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Why not about Raj Kapoor, Rajesh Khanna or Sanjeev Kumar

[edit] Not upto standards

This article reads more as a star struck fans admiration and webblog then as an actual encyclopedia article. Say what you will of the reliable sources, this article requires an intensive cleaning up of it's lack of proper grammar, and terrible POV. When an author of an article actually writes: "And we feel very proud that he has maintained his image here in dirty environment of politics too, as Mr. Clean," you know there is a complete lack of objectivity. You can't actually insert yourself and opinions in an article to blatantly. The writer outright states they feel proud. What sort of encyclopedia actually states that?!? This reads as though it was written on someones web blog, that was dedicated to Rajesh Khana's worship. Cleaning the bad grammar in this article can take hours alone. And then you have to deal with someone's outrage. *sigh* Persianlor

I cleaned it up AGAIN. We have a very determined Khanna fan who knows English as a second language and doesn't quite understand NPOV yet. Zora 10:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jatinram

Jatinram, PLEASE don't insist on adding that material. Khanna is not a major star any longer; please stop trying to pretend that he is. Minor celebrity, yes. The FREE OF COST addition should not be in caps and is not the best wording (if it's true -- there's no reference). That list of awards is unreferenced and the "awards" seem to be extremely minor-league. Not worth mentioning in an encyclopedia article. Zora 06:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ssefra's edits

Ssefra, affluent is richer than well-to-do; changing the adjective changes the meaning of the sentence. We probably need some more info about his family before we can decide which is more accurate. Well-to-do has always been there -- let's leave it there until we have more info. Can you do some research?

As for "exceeded all expectations" -- that just doesn't make sense. Who is expecting? What is he/she expecting? Zora 00:47, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivial awards

I removed all but the Maharashtra State awards (which Jatinram had gotten wrong -- Khanna had received only one of those awards. The rest of the "awards" come from stage shows claiming to be award ceremonies and hoping to attract stars and paying customers. Those awards are meaningless and worthless. Zora 05:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] One film marked change from Khanna to Bachchan?

Commando303, you inserted a sentence claiming that some unspecified critics traced Khanna's fall from superstardom to a certain film. That sentence wasn't referenced in any way, and it seemed strange to me -- I have always heard that the mad success of Zanjeer started the craze for Amitabh and action movies. In fact, that's what's written in the Amitabh Bachchan article.

I removed the sentence, but if you can come up with a source, and it's a reliable source, we might want to discuss adding it as another view. Zora 05:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


Zora, though it is true that 1973's "Zanjeer" is the film most commonly cited as Amitabh Bachchan's perhaps most "important" — his breakthrough work — carving out his "angry young man" image (which would follow him for much for his career, thereafter, and become as iconic as the actor himself), it is commonly thought, as well, that it was in Hrishikesh Mukherjee's "Namak Haraam" that Rajesh Khanna's stardom began to wane, as Bachchan's began to rise. The "Namak Haraam" instance isn't so much one of Amitabh's becoming a known name, but of his arguably "replacing" Rajesh Khanna as the reigning megastar of the Indian film industry. The reason for this is partly that, while Khanna and Bachchan had earlier worked together in "Anand" (also Mukherjee's), with "Namak Haraam," Rajesh Khanna — supposed to be the "star" of the film — was largely sleighted (by audiences and critics) in favor of Bachchan (supposed to be in a "supporting role"). I do agree that random instances of what editors of Wikipedia believe (e.g., "everybody loved Bachchan in 'Namak Haraam,' and saw therein the hack that Khanna had been all along") have no place on the site; I do not, however, feel that this claim falls into that category. Here's one example of the view; read the last line:

http://www.planetbollywood.com/Film/NamakHaraam/

Here's another (I'm not sure if it still works, though; last night, the site was down):

http://www.geocities.com/bigbachchan2/namakharaam.html

I don't feel the need to push too hard to include this point in this article, but I feel it might belong and be appreciative, nonetheless.

(Commando303)

Well, then, take a relevant quote from that article on Planetbollywood and say something like, "One online essayist sees Mukherjee's Namak Haraam as the defining moment: XXXXXXX." and then add the link.

That will probably require new paragraphing. Too-long paras are unreadable.

I'm not sure that an online review would be considered notable, but I'm willing to try it and see what other editors think. I hate to say that print journalism always takes precedence over online journalism, but edited, supervised journalism does, and it's not clear to me that PlanetBollywood does edit the reviews put up on the site. Zora 04:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

There's no argument to be made that PlanetBollywood is a "good" source; it's not. That said, it's not comparatively terrible, either, and I feel that, for the purpose at hand, it's adaquate. This isn't an obscure, controversial point that should be supported by a peer-reviewed, well-written article in the "Hindustan Times"; it's a common view that many people have (as I've seen in my experience), and all I'm really looking for in making the point is some halfway-decent source that people can go to for verification of the idea's existence. PlanetBollywood'd articles also have "grammatical errors" and all that, but then, so do most "Indian" Web sites'. IndiaFM and Rediff.com are two of the more "established" names in the business, but they, too, have their "problems." Grammar and syntax aren't everything, and, again, for this purpose, I stand by the PlanetBollywood article as an "acceptable" reference.

Perhaps I'll add this point later during the day (I don't feel like doing so right now), but I'm not going to guarantee that it will be "well-written." Sorry, but it's a minor point to be covered in about a sentence's space. If you see it, and wish to adjust it, feel free to.

(Commando303)

[edit] ID Khan

ID Khan, it seems obvious to me that you're a huge fan of Rajesh Khanna. That's not at all an inherently "bad" thing insofar as your contributing to and editing this article is concerned: Often, fans make the best, most useful changes to an article, for it is they who are most well-informed about the person they're writing about, and who most care that the person is well-represented in a public sphere. I even support some of your contributions: Informing readers that Khanna defeated fellow actor, Shatrughan Sinha in a political election is certainly not an unnecessary datum to include. Likewise, it is good to let people know the school to which he went, and to inform them that he indeed had a certain name and fame in the Indian film industry during a certain period. Much of what you've written, however, is pure, unadulterated trash: "the film industry went into the gutter" after Khanna stopped working in films? Do you honestly think that's an appropriate assertion to make in an encyclopaedic article? "Glory," "sophistication," "dignity" are the things that Khanna brought to Hindi films... ? These just aren't the types of adjectives one uses when writing an objective article (which is what we should be striving for) about anyone; hell, it's the type of thing the writer of an op-ed. piece might think twice about before printing, from concern that he not expose himself as an utterly mindless "fan-boy." I also feel you go on to list far too many examples of Khanna's works in an attempt to illustrate your adulatory point about him; your "example list" is almost as long as Khanna's filmography for the 1970s and '80s. Again, I find it's good for you to try to expand and enhance the article on someone whom you seem to have a strong liking for, but much of the way in which you go about doing so is just absurd and, by most sensible means, unacceptable.

(Commando303)

[edit] Sources

Source for data-mining: http://www.screenindia.com/fullstory.php?content_id=7148 - it is by notable film critic Bhavna Somayya. Ekantik talk 16:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The article ought to mention the three relationships between Khanna and Anju Mahendru, Dimple Kapadia and Tina Munim. The Tina Munim affair was hot enough but I'm unsure if they got married or not. Ekantik talk 16:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

No he was only married to Dimple. Haphar 20:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
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