Talk:Ragnarok Online 2: The Gate of the World

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[edit] Release Date verification

The release date of early 2007, which I have updated the article with, can be found on [1], 7th paragraph, second sentence from the bottom of that paragraph. It can also be found on [2] in the last paragraph. It can also be proven yet again from here [3]. It is the last bullet in the "Highlights of Financial and Business Update" section around the middle of the paragraph. I also removed the information under "Version". Version is not the date of beta. I also deleted the older parts of the discussion page, since they are no longer needed and way too outdated to be of any use. --A Pair of Shoes 14:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Clean-up Finished 5/28/06

I've finished my duty on the article here. Every section was redone and organized. After doing research, I have found that the "Main Features" section is a direct rip from A Ragnarok Tale. That will need to be redone late (Unless ART doesn't mind us using it.) --A Pair of Shoes 15:14, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The parts mentioned above have been changed quite a bit, so I've decided to remove the quotes. --A Pair of Shoes 06:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Private Server Emulators

I have, yes, again deleted the emulator links and information in the article. I would also recommend that you please do not add them again.

For all that Private Servers are to Ragnarok Online, there is no mention of them on it's article (Except 2 places). Why? Because it is not relevant to providing a user with information about RO. Even more so when the emulator in question doesn't even exist yet. It's simply a third party website with no information that can't benefit the article by being in the external links or on the article itself. Please see Wikipedia:External_links for more information.

Furthermore, though you may think not, when your links can provide a emulator, it will be a illegal program. Wikipedia cannot link to illegal content or the like, and thus your link cannot be on Wikipedia. I don't honestly care to hear your nonsense on how the subject in question is legal, because quite simply it isn't. If you would like to hire some legal persons to interpret the legality of the situation, then be my guest.

And lastly, please remember that anything you put on Wikipedia can and probably will be edited by others. That is what the website is for. I have as much right to delete anything as you do to add it.

If you still want your content to be on Wikipedia, you can always just make a seperate article for it yourself. Thats what eAthena did, and I'm happy to see that Saga did this as well. Oh! One more thing. The author of a program or owner of a website can't add his own links or content to Wikipedia. The conent has to be added by a neutral POV. Another reason why it's being deleted.

Cheers --A Pair of Shoes 17:55, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Preview Site

The official RO2 English "Preview" site is now up. http://www.ragnarok2.co.kr/eng/main.html Resplendent 14:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Norman?

I see that the explanation for the Norman race's name is that "The name is likely a portmanteau of the words "normal" and "human."". I suggest that perhaps the name could be a reference to the Normans or even the Norsemen of Europe, which would probably make a lot more sense (Northern European peoples) given that the games' mythos is mostly Norse-based.

--AVX 07:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree, that makes much more sense then what is currently in the article. --A Pair of Shoes 03:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I'm not getting how stats are leveling.

Are base stats going to be fixed, fixed by class, or distribruited? This article doesn't specify, but i assume the last choice is true, seeing how that's how it was in the origional game.

-- MikedaSnipe -- 11:40 Pacific Standard Time

To the best of my knowledge, the stats are still distributed but do not matter as much as in the original game. When more information is released on the finer points of the game, we can update the article in the respective spots. --A Pair of Shoes 00:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I was able to play around a bit with the Korean client on a private server (guess I'll admit it :/) and it is distributed just like the first game. However, this game is still in its very early stages so it may not end up exactly as the first game. AVX 16:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Updates on CB2

Someone willing to update this article now that we have information on closed beta 2? :p Information can be found here (in Korean): [4] --Haruyasha 06:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Whoever is editing from the anonymous IP of 66.167.167.216, your edits continually violate WP:EL policy. Another editor as well as I have reverted your addition, but obviously you either do not care for consensus or you don't care for policies. Please, stop adding Pukui.com to the external links until it has substantial information to warrant inclusion. If you do add it again, I will interpret that action as a response that you are not willing to stop adding the link. --A Pair of Shoes 11:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

To: A Pair of Shoes. By removing my site off the useful links list, you as well violate the WP:EL, conflict of interest clause. We all have equal opportunity to list our sites underneath the wiki. On the record, my site has more database information than your site has right now (at best you've only linked to other's works, mine are original). So declaring the site as lack of information (or serves no purpose) / used for promotion is complete lunacy. I am asking that you play fair, my site is linked to from other popular sites, and has good standing. I consider your edits a form of retaliation. Pukui 04:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

First of all, your "original works" are a bunch of NPC images cut out from a image created by another person, so in reality they aren't original or even created by you. You just stole them from someone and claimed they were yours. As for information, ART lists lots of interviews, screen shots, fan art, and more that can't be included in the wiki. Ro2DB hosts, well, a huge wealth of information. Your site hosts one large list of images, without names and missing descriptions. Thats a lot of information pal. Until you can bring more to the table, all I see is a thrown together and incomplete list that allows you to half-heartedly say your have information, when in reality you are simply just promoting your site.

And in the conflict of interest clause, where you seem to be adding your own site which violates that as well, ART was added several times in the history by other independent editors. I see nothing in WP:EL that prohibits me from removing your link if it violates the policy. --A Pair of Shoes 11:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


It would be good to explain if that particular site's sprite images are ripped off from someone else (posting a link or two would help). Otherwise the site in question does seem to be the only site at the moment with actual sprites of npc enemies and would be reasonable to have it linked as an external link. I don't know anything about either Pukui or A Pair of Shoes but it seems to me that both of you have some sort of past history in regards to this game (either hosts of different fan sites or participants in such). Please keep your past history (if you have one) out of this article and keep this article free of bias.
If there is no proof that the site has sprite images ripped off then I would recommend keeping the site. -- AVX 22:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your kind words AVX, coming from a reasonable person. I have the original screen capped pngs. However for now here is one form of proof: Pukui.com's file dated 13-Feb-2007 and RO2DB's file dated 22-Feb-2007. I am only speaking in truth here, there is absolutely no reason for me to steal other's works. If necessary, I can send my screen-capped PNGs, and one form of form of "watermarking proof" to an appropriate 3rd party observer such as AVX. Pukui 05:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

After reviewing the images closer, I have come to the realization that they were very similar images, but not the same. I'll give you that, as it was a mistake of mine. However, I do not agree that a list of monster images, with vague identification to monster name and no additional information, deserves inclusion in the article. I would only agree when the names and descriptions of the monsters, as well as other information about the game, is made viewable. Although you will need to have a neutral PoV re-add the link. --A Pair of Shoes 22:27, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted Clone section- Complex Job Change System

There were two sections in this article entitled "Complex Job Change System" under Main Features, which was a clone of the other section. I took the liberty of deleting the duplicate section. Mitcjase 01:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)Mitcjase

[edit] Release date misleading

release dates read 2007, added "(expected)" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by FranzSS (talk • contribs) 03:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

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