Talk:Race to the bottom

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Is this a synonym for Downward harmonization?

Contents 1 removed this paragraph 2 This doesn't make sense to me 3 Minor POV problem 4 Profit margin query 5 Major POV problem 6 Removed paragraphs terrible article 7 Downplaying 8 POV

[edit] removed this paragraph

I've removed this paragraph from the text, until someone is able to explain or rewrite it:

Global money laundering, terror finance, tax evasion and drug dealing also tend to gravitate to jurisdictions where local laws permit them to thrive.

While it is possible that such "gravitation" may be associated with races to the bottom, this text makes no attempt to demonstrate or explain why regimes would compete for these activities. Maybe states with no other sources of finance may find some of these industries to be better than nothing.-- pde 02:24, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] This doesn't make sense to me

"The positive argument for free trade rests on the economic theory of comparative advantage, which in turn depends on the necessary condition of "capital immobility." If financial (or labor) resources can move between countries, then the comparative advantage theory erodes, and absolute advantage dominates. Given the liberalization of capital flows under free trade agreements of the 1990s, the necessary condition of capital immobility no longer holds. As a consequence, the economic theory of comparative advantage no longer supports free trade theory. Because labor is fairly immobile, financial capital is moved across international borders seeking the least cost labor. Because a huge pool of labor exists in the world, this process is often cited as another example of the race to the bottom."

This doesn't make sense to me. Cooperative advantage is about the relative efficiencies in making certain products, labor plays a part in that but only one part. Labor and financial mobility might destroy some cooperative advantages but not all. 18 October 2004 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.180.61.179 (talk • contribs).

I agree that the paragraph doesn't make sense. The principle of comparative advantage works on all levels: from the level of monolithic Gosplan-type economies that trade with each other, to the level of an individual person in a global labour market. There will always be comparative advantages at the individual level, regardless of how easy it is to move capital across national borders. I suggest that the whole paragraph is removed. I will remove it myself unless someone can rephrase it into something that makes sense... --Shastra 17:59, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Can someone provide a reference for the "in practice, it's not a big a problem as..." bit? -- 6 April 2006 User:davidnwelton

Not true at all, in fact comparative advantage thrives even more with greater capital, good, and labor mobility. Perhaps mobility makes the advantage less distinguishable but the comparative advantage always exists. 4 September 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.169.212.63 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Minor POV problem

The following has NPOV problems and needs to be backed up and reworded to conform to NPOV:

Mainstream economists argue that strict environmental and labor rules hurt the economy, with developing countries bearing the brunt of the adverse effects. There is solid economic theory behind this argument.

"Mainstream economists argue..." implies all mainstream economists which should be backed up if it is to remain in it's current form. Also the use of the term mainstream, a debatable classification in this case seems problematic. Also the part about solid economic theory needs to clarify who says it is solid since certainly not everyone accepts this as fact. --Cab88 16:28, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Profit margin query

I wonder about this statement: "Some economists believe, however, that "races to the bottom" can help ameliorate poverty, for if businesses can operate for less money, they can cut prices while maintaining their profit margins."

Isn't today's American economy based wholly on growth of profit margins? If so, wouldn't there be as much evidence that a race to the bottom will only help to maintain poverty, while increasing the economic conditions of those who can and do invest in the Amerian economy? Or is it more complex than that?

[edit] Major POV problem

This article needs to be rewritten so that it isn't obviously railing against the so-called "race to the bottom". Salvor Hardin 09:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed paragraphs terrible article

I moved a couple of paragraphs on this talk page, to the respective users talk pages. These paragraphs which has nothing to do with the article itself. People need to realize this is not a web blog. I can pull up the wikipolicy if too many people shout bloody murder.

I need to come back and rewrite this terrible article, problem is I don't care that much about the topic...sigh...

There are a few redeming parts to this article, but they are overshadowed by the really bad...Travb (talk) 12:30, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Downplaying

This article seems to be mostly from the viewpoint of mainstream Marginalist economists who are unconcerned about this phenomenon because of their ardent faith in Neoliberal globalization. It claims that labor migration and poverty is higher in more protected areas, but seems contrary to reality as there is less poverty in Europe (which largely have protected capitalist systms) than there is in less protected states such as Niger, Congo, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Eritrea, Uganda, Columbia, Mexico, Cambodia, Vietnam, etc. Most of the immigrants from Mexico to the US leave unprocted ares deregulated by NAFTA reforms to the more protected US system. Full Shunyata 14:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

True, but I'm not sure that matters. Some of the countries you mention come close to being failed states. Others greatly interfere in their economy. The Mexican/USA example is more one of peasants coming North... and that's an issue of industrialization forcing populations to urban environments. Tall_DanTall Dan 05:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

The "Counter-argument" section should be deleted. It is a total POV rant (please read it before responding). 72.139.119.165 17:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)