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[edit] "Rabbit" is really the young

"Rabbit" is really the young of the animal, the correct name for which is "coney" (pronounced "cunny"). (The alleged "Coney Island" should really be pronounced "Cunny Island.") This is an interesting example of a euphmism that the article could stand to address. --user:Daniel C. Boyer

In The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers' there's a faithful recreation of the scene from the book where Sam Gamgee cooks "a nice brace o' coneys", but in the film he pronounces them like the island. The correct pronunciation is probably too close to a well-known obscenity to be used much nowadays. Lee M 02:11, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)
The use of "coney" would then be similar to the use of "pussy" ... a term which has fallen somewhat out of use given its more lascivious slang connotations. During the seventies in the U.S. the term "beaver" had similar connotations (much to the amusement of the adolescents in the "Beaver State" of Oregon I might add).
"(The alleged "Coney Island" should really be pronounced "Cunny Island.")" <--- LOL --66.120.158.84 18:15, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Interestingly enough, the welsh word for rabbit is "Cwningen", a word with obvious similarities to cunny, cuniculus and etc User:Communisthamster

[edit] Section on "bunny" is poorly written

The section on "bunny" is poorly written. For example the term "bunny" doesn't come from the usage in Bugs Bunny though one might say that the popular usage from these cartoons has re-inforced the existing usage.

[edit] Bugs Bunny

Bugs Bunny is actualy a Hare, Bugs first appeared in 1940 in a film called "A Wild Hare".

Bugs bunny is probably a hare but usually they use hare for a play on words in the title of the film or episode. Paladin91 20:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need a beter intro

needs a better intro. we should assume a reader who does not know what a rabbit is, as with any article -- Tarquin 17:39 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

Well, I'll get to it, don't worry. -- Marumari 20:23 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

And by the way, I'm posting a picture of my pet bunny soon, so keep your hands off! -- Marumari 21:34 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

Interested contributors, please see Talk:Rabbit (Australia). Tannin

[edit] Hunting with a shotgun

The article mentions hunting with a shotgun. That doesn't make sense, too much of the meat is destroyed by the large number of pellets. I would think that most people would use a rifle. In Britan and parts of the U.S., it was once popular to have a "boring" in a light-gauge side by side shotgun; the "boring" was a barrel for a rifle round which was fired by a second trigger. Hunters going through the wood for mixed game would use the two shotgun barrels for birds and the boring for rabbits and squirrels. I'll await comment before changing the article.

Clearly written by a person who has never hunted nor eaten wild rabbit. Shotguns are preferred precisely because the scatter makes it much easier to hit the varmint. It's common when eating rabbit (or other small game including birds) which are taken by shotgun to have a small bowl near the diners into which they may discreetly deposit the pellets as they encounter them.JimD 00:36, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

The pellets are deposited in a Shot Glass- which is why it is so called.

Also, will be uploading a photo of a wild rabbit shortly. Kat 20:53, 3 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Pic removed as it is a cottontail rabbit, not a European Rabbit (the subject of this page).

Does anyone have a pic of a wild European Rabbit suitable for the taxobox? - MPF 23:18, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Wild picture

Although it's not *quite* wild, I had a pet rabbit which was a cross-breed (wild/tame), coming off more wild, in looks and personality. I could submit a picture for opinions if anyone is interested? Selphie 15:46, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC) **

[edit] Rabbits in the Wild

I'm assuming that rabbits do still exist in the wild, yet this page has no information on them. What types of predators do rabbits encounter? What do they eat? What are some of their habits? Is the posted lifespan of a domestic or wild rabbit?

[edit] Rabbit

Although this page associates "Rabbit" with "European Rabbit", some of the content deals with "rabbit" in the more general sense. For example, Bugs Bunny is definitely a cottontail rabbit. --Big_Iron 00:12, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Can someone explain why Rabbit was associated with European Rabbit on this page. While European Rabbits are certainly common around the world, since there is clearly now plenty of information about generic rabbits (more then European really). To me it seems like the European rabbit should have it's own page, and this page stick to information about Rabbit's in general. --Ahc
I agree wholeheartedly; this "European Rabbit" should be a separate article, with the general stuff on the disambiguation page, or maybe a "Rabbit (mammal)" as an expanded page similar to a diambiguation page. Somebody ought to just look at the "What links here" list to see how very few of them deal specifically with the "European Rabbit". I'll just cut and paste the current ones here as a jumbles list: Gene Nygaard 17:49, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
(list deleted; see Special:Whatlinkshere/Rabbit)
It seems to me that we could leave almost everything here that's here, excepting the first few paragraphs which need a rewrite to remove the European rabbit specific comments (of course moving them to a new article). I'm not clear what from this article should be moved to the disambiguation page. --Ahc 05:47, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Since I haven't heard any objections I was going to go ahead. However, European Rabbit forwards here. So how does one go about un-forwarding a page, so we can sevor the two articles and move some content to European Rabbit? --Ahc 04:56, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Enter European Rabbit in the search box, or click on the link I provided here. Then when you get to "Rabbit", underneath the title will be a little "redirected from European Rabbit" with the highlighted link. Click on it, then just edit the page removing the redirect and put in text. Gene Nygaard 06:22, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Thanks! I made the changes. I think I made proper adjustments to the body of the text to reflect the change. But someone should review the changes carefully to be sure. --Ahc 03:21, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Done some reviewing - MPF 00:51, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4274129.stm Rabbit news

[edit] rabbit phobia

I have read that rabbits are traditionally very unlucky onboard ships, where even the word is not to be mentioned; much like Macbeth with actors. I found reference to this whilst working on recent biography of Alexander Selkirk (Selkirk's Island), however I have found very little further support for this idea.

The Unlucky nautical references to rabbits originate In Portland UK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Portland See under Trivia.

[edit] incisive clarity

It's not very clear to me the description of the difference between rabbit incisors and rodent incisors:

"As a lagomorph, they have 4 sharp incisors (2 on top, 2 on bottom) that grow continuously throughout their life, and two peg teeth on the top behind the inscisors, dissimilar to those of rodents (which have only 2 each, top and bottom). "

Doesn't 2 each, top and bottom mean that rodents have 2 incisors on top and 2 on the bottom, and 2 peg teeth on top and 2 on the bottom in the context of this paragraph? This gives rodents 4 incisors in all which is the same as the rabbit. Is the intended meaning 2 incisors on top and 2 peg teeth on bottom?

Also inscisors is spelt incorrectly.

A check on the web reveals a consensus for lagomorphs having 4 incisors on top, 2 on bottom; this is also what the Lagomorpha article says. I'm changing this one to be consistent. -- Hongooi 12:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

The peg teeth are not incisors, they are small and sit behind the upper two incisors. With the mouth closed the lower incisors butt against the peg teeth, I will try and find out if there is a medical name for the peg teeth. Medical term found, in the vet world the peg teeth are called secondary incisors in order to distinguish them from normal incisors, I have been promised a copyright free pic of them by a vet tech that will be eligable for use here :) Image of the peg teeth behind the upper incisors - http://www.fsinet.or.jp/~sokaisha/rabbit/teeth/pegteeth.JPG

The issue of the peg teeth is important, these teeth are what distinguish Lagomorphs from Rodents !

[edit] Clarification

"Rabbits are often used as a symbol of fertility. It is possibly as a consequence of this that they have been associated with Easter as the Easter Bunny."

Huh? -- jiyTalk 11:06, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

I didn't write this line but my guess is that it refers to the springtime (i.e. revival of fertility) and the Easter Bunny's giftgiving. --Krishva 07:01, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, the associations of eggs, and the "Easter Bunny" with spring-time and fertility are all related.JimD 00:36, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Population Dynamics: Breeding like rabbits

I'd like there to be information in this article about how quickly rabbits breed. For example, gestation period, litter size, age they can reproduce, etc. Even some math examples would be nice - like how many rabbits would you have on an island in a month's time if you started with two? thanks

That would depend on whether you started with young rabbits or adults, as well as the number (or lack) of predators, and I would assume to some extent on the individual rabbits and how frequently they decided to breed, or (in the case of young) how quickly they figured out what-goes-where. I'd say that, beginning with two adults, you could easily have a couple of dozen inside of a year, assuming more-or-less constant weather and a hospitable climate.
Lagomorphs (rabbits & hares) certainly don't multiply as quickly as most rodents do. --Corvun 06:52, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
It would also depend on the species of rabbit. Cottontail rabbits have different litter-rearing habbits than do European rabbits (which raise their young in burrows instead of open nests like the cottontail). I don't know anything about the Japanese Amami rabbit. I know a domestic European rabbit's gestation is about 30 days, and a large domestic rabbit can give birth to up to 10-12 young. Young can breed each other at an age of 3-4 months even though they aren't physically completely mature. Other rabbit species may have somewhat different gestations and litter sizes. --Krishva 04:28, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
31 days is the average gestation time. It would be good to have a section on this. Intersofia 16:35, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Expiration

Is this sentance supposed to mean what it actually says:

"It is commonly believed that a rabbit, if injected with a woman's urine, will expire if the woman were   pregnant."  ??

Expire means "breath out". I expect the bunny would do that anyhow. jmd 12:21, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I think you are thinking of "exhale." "Expire" is usually used as a euphemism for "die." --Krishva 05:29, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, yes. But is a euphemism appropriate here? I've only normally heard it applied to people, and the exhale meaning is what I normally think of when applied to animals, especially if it's in a formal context like this one. It confused the hell out of me until I thought about it for a while. jmd 06:37, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Well, if it's vague it should probably be edited to something clearer. If you would like to edit, go ahead and be bold. :) --Krishva 07:11, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
Technically "expire" and "exhale" mean the same thing. "Inspire" is the causative/transitive form of the transitive/intransitive "inhale". To inspire means to breathe into, aluding to the anima, or the breath of life. In this case its meaning is a bit more figurative, in that being inspired means having the divine spark (of creation) breathed into you. To "expire" does mean to breathe out, but may have taken on the euphemistic meaning of "to breathe out one's last breath" or something to that effect. And if there's any doubt to any of this, just think of words like "respiration" and "respirator". I've always found it a bit humorous when foodstuffs have "expiration" dates; you know your food's gone bad when it starts breathing! --Corvun 07:28, August 31, 2005 (UTC)


ː==Images==

What's with the first image on the page being an old, rusty rabbit trap. Seems a bit odd to me. Turnstep 03:15, 1 November 2005 (UTC) okay whats with the question "if a rabbit were injected with a womans urine" what is that?

[edit] Discuss links here

Editors regularly clean out undiscussed links from this article. Please discuss here if you want a link not to be cleaned out regularly. (You can help!)

The external links section is way overboard. This article is not a web directory to every fuzzybunny-related site in existence. Please rigorously clean out any links that don't directly contribute to the encyclopedic content. Femto 14:56, 31 December 2005 (UTC) -- (see this revision for old links)
Feel free to remove existing links, too. I went through and removed ones that seemed obviously unnecessary, and left a few in without checking them thoroughly. Catamorphism 19:39, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Inventory of the current:

Unless there's a compelling reason against it, looks like an authority. Femto
Clear case of fuzzyness and of little value to this article. Femto

Morfz should be included but with two specific url's rather than one to the home page - http://homepage.mac.com/mattocks/morfz/rabcare.html is the definative compilation of care and feeding information. http://homepage.mac.com/mattocks/morfz/rabrefs.html is the definative compilation of health and medical issues.

Quite random assortment of medical facts that people could find more easily and more specific to themselves with a web search. Femto
If there's specific content on this page, link to it directly. Other than that, no, this article does not need a new home. Femto
Interesting further content on a specific topic. Judging from a quick web search the most elaborate site of this kind. Femto 13:02, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Could removed links to petsyclopedia be restored? We are not commercial site, we just introduce people to rabbit care (there are lots of articles) and publish all the cute rabbit pet pictures that readers sent to us. I'm sure it turned many people to love whole idea "rabbits as pets." -- Akaabc 06:12, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:External_links says, "In general, any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article here would have once it becomes an example of brilliant prose." I don't think this site provides a unique resource. The House Rabbit Society's site is the best resource on rabbit care, and rabbit pictures aren't really relevant to an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not a collection of external links. Catamorphism 07:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't want to flame, I accepted your decision. Just BTW, I'd like to say that IMHO all other links except HRS aren't too unique also... "Charky and Ash's Home Page", "The Language of Lagomorphs What Your Rabbit is Saying and How to Speak Back".... nothing is unique about them. -- Akaabc 05:05, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Do we want links to breeder associations? If so, which ones? Is there an international head organization? Femto 17:17, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Why not? ARBA and BRC should have links up, they are the head organization for America (as well as Canada, Mexico, and parts of Asia as far as I know), and the BRC is the same for the UK. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.127.125.57 (talk • contribs) .
What about Australian, Japanese, Russian, Chinese, Spanish etc. associations then? My concern is that, as soon as one breeder association gets linked, everybody feels another one would be just as important, and the section mutates into a business directory. One link to an appropriate list at an external web directory would suffice in any case. Femto 11:28, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Except that rabbit associations aren't businesses. The American Rabbit Breeders Association heads the rabbit hobby in the US, Canada, and most Asian countries that currently hold organized shows. The British Council oversees the UK and Australia. I would say those two should be included, at the very least due to the large number of countries and people they represent. I also present that any breeders who stumble upon this article will be upset because listing the HRS and no breeder organizations shows bias.

Here's a link to a site with much more info on literary and mythic rabbit symbolism. It's thorough and seems to link to original sources.--docsophist 02:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC):

Looks good to me. Femto 10:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kidneys

does anyone know where rabbit kidneys are? please message me somehow to tell me if you know —This unsigned comment was added by Beoknoc (talk • contribs) .

[edit] animals

there cool

how long do these animals live? BlueShirts 01:53, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Domestic rabbits Live 6 - 12 years but ill have to research wild rabbits. Paladin91

[edit] Weights??

I looked up rabbits in wikipedia to confirm my fuzzy understanding of the weights of rabbits. But the section on "Size and weight" does not give any weights. Ivar Y 11:31, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Depending on the breed of rabbit the weights vary enormously! Micro weighed 11 ounces when fully grown - http://www.barbibrownsbunnies.com/micro.htm Equaly, the guinness book of records no longer records pet weights due to pet abuse issues :( Some breeds are in the 20 to 30 lb range, but the averaghe bunny is probably going to be in the 3 to 8 lbs range.

[edit] Meat

Very little here on rabbit as a food source. I may add some more, since this is the common domestic use of the animal in most parts of the world rather than as a pet. Fishhead64 22:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Anthropomorphic rabbits in Watership Down?

I think some differentiation should be made of the rabbits from Watership Down and other fairy tales, as that book is renowned for portraying the rabbits *as* rabbits, though they are able to communicate with each other and we read it in human words. I'm not sure exactly how to put that in the article, though.--Guidedbyalan 16:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Just omit "Watership Down" from the list. Anthropomorphism implies physical change, not simply the capacity for speach. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.107.32.130 (talk • contribs) .

IMHO that's a much-too-literal interpretation. The article on anthropomorphism implies that attributing human-like traits to animals can be seen as anthropomorphism as well. --Kjoonlee 04:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I've read Watership Down and the sequel, and I've seen the movie and one episode of the TV series. I'm a big fan, but at the most, Watership Down only needs a link to its own article in here, not any more. If people are trying to learn about real rabbits, they don't need stuff about fictional rabbits confusing them. Jrdaigle1000 16:57, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the brief mention of Watership Down or Beatrix Potter's stories distracts from the rest of the article; in fact, I think this concise section enhances the article. Also, Richard Adams' rabbits were most certainly anthropomorphized, as the concept of anthropomorphism extends beyond appearance; the rabbits in Watership Down were given human attributes, such as a system of government, and recorded history. Comme le Lapin 06:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Putting domestic rabbits to sleep

They can also be put to sleep on their backs by making sure the head is lower than the body.

Is this a euphemism? Why would you want to make your rabbit sleep on its back? Anyone that knows what this sentence is supposed to mean should clarify it: if it's a euphemism for euthanasia, then the euphemism should be replaced with what it actually means. If it's something else, there should be at least some mention of its relevance. I've never seen a rabbit actually sleep in the way a human sleeps... 68.148.2.91 06:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Rabbits on their back may fall into a trance-like hypnotic state. [1] The sentence definitely needs some rewording, besides being rather out of place where it is now. Femto 11:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pop Culture references.

There is a video game coming out from ubisolft for the Nintendo Wii called Rayman Raving Rabids about bunnies trying to take over the world. I think this should be included in the pop culture section. 67.40.167.161 19:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Not before it comes out. Fan-1967 19:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

What about the rabbit in "Monty Python and The Holy Grail"? 72.230.9.34 03:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

An alternative suggestion: What if there was no "popular culture references" section at all? What if there was no "trivia" section either? This article is indeed about rabbits, but it doesn't need to be a collection of every mention of rabbits that has occurred throughout human history. Comme le Lapin 06:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
It's a hopeless battle trying to stop the flood of people adding their favorite trivia everywhere. The easiest way to deal with it would be to funnel this energy into a dedicated rabbits in popular culture sub-article. (actually, rabbit is one of the encyclopedically more presentable examples. See what an older version of the squirrel article looked like.) Femto 15:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh my...Thanks for putting this into perspective. Comme le Lapin 06:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rabbit care

This article is telling people wwaayy too much about rabbit care! Someone should change it I think.--Fonkety ponk 02:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you; plus, there is already a main article for domestic rabbits. That Jason 05:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree, the "rabbits as pets" section has a much higher word count than it needs. Much of this section should be merged with the "domestic rabbits" article. Comme le Lapin 06:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

The trouble with Rabbit#Rabbits as pets runs deeper than just too much overlap with Domestic rabbit: The problem is that Domestic rabbit isn't really a main article for "Rabbits as pets", since Domestic rabbit has more non-pet coverage than pet coverage. I think the scope of Domestic rabbit is probably right, since humans have been domesticating rabbits in a non-pet fashion for a long time (and will probably continue to do so). There is a newly created article, House rabbit that can help. It covers a large subset of Rabbits as pets, and should probably serve as a main article referenced by Domestic rabbit and possibly Rabbit. --Ed Brey 02:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism/hacking?

In the article, at the end of the section 'differences from hares', it says 'I dont really like rabbits. They scrath you.'

However, I can't remove this as when I go to edit the page, that text doesn't appear. What's happened here? Hopsyturvy 12:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] rabbits

jackie avila 
1/26/07
english
                   1.what do they eat?
                   2.what are thier homes called?
                   3.how long do they live?
                   4.do they have nick names?
                   5.how long do they dig?  



                   1a.grass,carrots and fruits.
                   2a.burrows and nest.
                   3a.four or ten years.
                   4a.yes.
                   5a.one or two hours.
                   
                   more info

rabbits do not eat nuts.young rabbits are called bunnies or kits.bunnies are born without fur.all rabbits live in groups but one. the coottotail rabbit dose not live in a group.the coottotail rabbit eats grass, forbs,green clover and berries.bunnies are safe in thire homes and hungry animals can't eat them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.9.210.89 (talk) 17:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Shfanim

It is mentioned in the beginning of the article that the hebrew word shafan (שפן) means hyrax. That is incorrect, shafan actually means "Rabbit" or "Hare", nothing more and nothing less. Trilandian 05:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nothing about the behaviour of wild rabbits

Romeanna 07:22, 5 March 2007 (UTC)I looked up rabbits because I’m just reading Watership Down, which made me curious to understand how real rabbits behave, as opposed to the fictional variety. There’s nothing on Wikipedia about the behaviour of wild rabbits – the page is almost entirely devoted to domestic rabbits, as are most of the other sites which I can find on the Internet. Surely wild rabbits are far more common than domestic ones, and yet there’s very little information about them. In the book, the rabbits have a very hierarchical society, the males appear to be fairly aggressive towards each other (or is this just a fictional device?), and the younger male rabbits live on the outskirts of the warren, possibly going off to join a new warren. If this is true, it would make biological sense, as it would reduce inbreeding. But that’s the point – is this really how rabbit society functions, or is it all just an invention of the author? Isn’t there anyone out there who can give us a chapter about the habits and social structure of wild rabbits?

[edit] Vocalization

Most animal entries have a vocalization section describing the sounds that animal produces. As a rabbit owner myself I can tell you that rabbits are not entirely mute. Between reading on rabbit care and my own experience Rabbits produce the following sounds


Growl: Signifying aggression or in males can be a mating call. It can be a low continuous sound, or a sudden short bark or grunt. Generally the low continuous growl shows aggression.

Squeal: A high whimpering sound that normally shows fear or discomfort. My rabbit once used this to tell me she didn't like the way she was being held.

Purring: Actually it's not a sound that comes from a rabbit's vocal chords but is produced by chattering the teeth. Normally this signifies that the rabbit is comfortable and content.

Singing rabbit! Drutt 14:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Time to unprotect again

The log says its been over two weeks since this was protected...that seems like long enough. The very minor changes I was going to contribute was in Rabbit#Classifications:
change Sumatra Short-Eared Rabbit to Sumatran Striped Rabbit (i.e. a redirect elimination)
change Annamite Rabbit to Annamite Striped Rabbit

67.100.45.173 20:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

{{editprotected}} This page is semiprotected; any username more than a few days old can edit it. There is no need for administrator assistance. CMummert · talk 01:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
{{editprotected}}
If there's a valid reason for leaving this article permanently semi-protected, could someone please identify it and make the two minor changes listed above? Otherwise, now that that period of vandalism that provoked the protection is long past, the article needs to return to an unprotected state so that minor changes like those listed above could simply be done instead of discussed. Thanks. 67.100.127.67 (fka 67.100.45.173 (talk • contribs)) 06:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC).
Unprotected. John Reaves (talk) 07:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. Minor changes mentioned above applied. 67.100.122.199 (fka 67.100.45.173 (talk • contribs)) 18:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC).
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