Talk:Queercore

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Dear Gilliam JF:

I am assuming you must have had something to do with the development of Queercore, since you are so very confident that it's appropriate you attempt to alter the philosophy behind it, disassembling and rearranging history to your liking. Before doing so, you might consider Deke Nihilson burning the rainbow flag, a gesture that might, just might, indicate a belief in the oppressiveness of the gay and lesbian so-called community. No? If not, here are just a very few quotes from queercore zines that I wonder if you have read, or seen, or even heard of. I doubt if they will be 'reference' enough to convince you that queers involved in queercore really did feel the gay establishment to be oppressive; however others will read them and make up their own minds. On to the quotes:

From Fuh Cole:

"So, um, I get this thing in the mail wanting "Fuh Cole" to place an ad in the 1994 Pride Guide and I just don't get it. I mean did these fools read the thing? It'd be like some bonehead asking the John Brown Committee to put an ad in the American Front newsletter. DUH!!! Little assholes. Look, whyncha just stick to what you know best: STDs, impersonal sex, child molestation, poppers and porn. Fuck you. xox dave"

From Homocore:

"In the March 28, 89 issue (of The Advocate) there's a very nice mention of the "Homocore" show, three paragraphs long. It lists MDC and The Popstitutes, but not Kamala and the Karnivores, and the description of what went on totally ignores all the women, once again. ...Maybe the editors at The ADVOCATE enforce male only content. Unfortunately, this is very typical of assimilationist crap like THE ADVOCATE. There's simply no fucking excuse, none. Anything that sells, huh?"

From Bimbox:

"You are entering a gay and lesbian free zone.

Angry. Extreme. Hostile. Savage. These are just a few of the adjectives that have been used to describe BIMBOX by those who fear it. And now those merely fearful will be horror-stricken to learn that BIMBOX has reorganized it's varied passions to exclusively concentrate on the absolute destruction of lesbian and gay culture.

For years we have been seething with resentment, and we falsely assumed that things would eventually change. We waited and tried to be patient. We attempted dialogue and we considered compromise. We even offered to negotiate, but all of our numerous proposals fell on deaf ears - bars are still segregated, women are still ignored, and men are still ostracized. We have been pushed to the absolute limit, and there is now only one option left -war.

Complete war. We will not tolerate any form of gay and lesbian philosophy. We will not tolerate their obsolete thought processes. We will not tolerate their segregated bars, books, bathhouses, magazines, music or films. We will not tolerate their voluntary assimilation into heterosexual culture. We will not tolerate their warped shallow twisted concept of feminism. We will not tolerate their appeasement of Christianity and the greedy white male corporate power structure. Furthermore, if we see lesbians or gays being assaulted on the street, we will not intervene - we will join in.

Effective immediately, BIMBOX is at war against lesbians and gays."

-- unsigned comment left by 70.51.148.182

• Good references. How about registering and leaving a signature? Also, it's a good idea to leave comments when you do edits. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! --Larrybob 16:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for the education. I must admit I knew little about the queercore movement. However, I removed the rant because it says nothing of the sort in the de:Queercore German article. I was not trying to revise history, as you suggest, but prevent belligerency and threats from unnecessary inclusion in the 'pedia. - GilliamJF 16:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, both of you, for your responses. Larrybob, I appreciate your compliment and suggestions, particularly as they come from the editor of Holy Titclamps. Gilliam JF, I appreciate your explanation. As the usage of the word 'queer' has been so thoroughly co-opted by the gay and lesbian establishment, confusion has resulted in regards to the nature of Queercore. If you would be interested, might I urge you to consider editing the German Queercore article to better reflect a more accurate portrayal? As you can imagine, gay and lesbian orthodoxy are not eager to encourage this movement so it's only through the efforts of those such as yourself that this knowledge can reach others. 70.51.148.182 2 August 2006

Would the inclusion of the '77 British band the Raped be appropriate here? I don't think any Queercore bands in the U.S. cite them as an influence but they were certainly one of the first to say "F off" to mainstream G and L culture in the UK. "Alone in the Endzone" 19:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• I'm not familiar with the band 'The Raped' myself. You should start a page about them. By the way, have you heard of the UK band Tongue Man? Apparently they were widely reviewed in UK music papers in the early nineties before the lead singer died. - Intheshadows 06:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zine Wiki

Since one of the primary productions of Queercore has been zines, it wouldn't be too off-topic to inform readers that the article about ZineWiki has been nominated for deletion. Zine Wiki is a project devoted to the documentation of zines, zine editors and zine culture; and many queer zines, such as J.D.s, Homocore, Holy Titclamps, Chainsaw, Outpunk, Fuh Cole, This Is The Salivation Army, Fanorama, Shrimp and many others are documented at Zine Wiki, which is one good reason to vote to Keep this article. If you'd like to vote, go to: [1] and add your opinion. Thanks! Intheshadows 09:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)