Talk:Queer theology
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[edit] Distinction Between Acts & Desires
To ensure that 'trad' teachings are not misunderstood or simplified, a distinction between acts, desires, and the persons who experience (passively) desires and choose (actively) acts has to be made; any church with a coherent theology makes, and has always made these distinctions. Desires are not sinful, insofar as a person does not choose their desires. Despite this, a further distinction is made, insofar as the desires can be fundamentally disordered, i.e. incapable of being ordered to a positive, non-sinful end. Homosexual desires are considered by such in most 'traditional' (Catholic/Orthodox) teaching. The acts themselves are always and have always been considered sinful. Insofar as someone who experiences homosexual attractions but does not act on them is morally blameless, 'traditional' teaching has, at least since Aquinas, always made a distinction which DanB's edit does not reflect.
[edit] Category
I removed this from the category for Christian theology, simply because this stub doesn't explain how it is distinctly Christian, as opposed to just "general" theology. Maybe after some more edits, we can put it there again. KHM03 21:45, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Link to Anti-queer theology site
I edited the page on "queer theology" page to include links to (DR) Rembert S. Truluck's page, and to truthsetsfree.net, another "gay christian" site. In the process, I also added a religion-stub for (Dr) Truluck. And it was also me who added the link to the Anti-"queer theology" site, which you removed, siting reason that it was "not about this debate".
The link was:
I protest that your deletion was a POV-inspired deletion. My edit's, I suggest, where balanced, NPOV - two supporting the idea of "queer theology", one against, and the creation of an NPOV page, which I contend added to this category, as Dr. Truluck is an prominent "gay christian".
How can you justify that a link to a page giving the other side of the argument is "not about this debate"? (It's not as if I edited the article to include the stuff in the counter argument - I merely added a link!)
I would suggest that the fact that you are a member of the MCC (which, I presume is a "gay christian" church), adds weight to my argument that your deletion was a partisan, POV-inspired deleltion.
As I understand it, Wikipedia is an "encyclopedia", this means that pages are not "adverts" for one any particular idea, they must attempt to give some degree of balanced analysis.
The idea is that any user, of whatever "persuasion", might look up this page, read the main tenets of the article, and then have an opportunity to see other related ideas, including arguments against.
For example, if someone looks up the article on Stalin, he/she may wish to link to some external pages which are pro Stalin or anti Stalin.
CPMCE 01:17, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
--Sjharte 10:50, 27 November 2005 (UTC) Hi.
The article on Queer Theology is supposed to be just that - an explanation of the existence and devlopment of this branch of theology. The pro/anti gay debate is real and valid - my suggestion was that it not take place in this article as it would overwhlem it. Perhaps a "see also" link to those many otehr parts of wikipedia where that debate takes place - and I have made this change
The original links that I put in were to a US major acedemic institution that studied queer theology and to an online Queer Theology jounal. Both totally in point. I did not seek to put in links to gay ministries or affirming congregations (what you called "gay churches") - others did that. I would personal prefer to see those links to go too so that this piece could focus solely on discussion of this branch of theology and leave other issues to otehr posts.
In conclusion, I hope that you wills ee that i have not saw myself as trying to enforce my personal POV but instead tried to keep the article clean and relevant as it grows.
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Hi. I'm relatively new to this so I hope I am not doing this incorrectly. But I think it is important to note that it would be absurd to have a link to a "pro-Stalin" website in an encyclopedia article. That would be like having a "pro-Hitler" site. I hope to eventually be able to contribute to this article and think that it is relevent to note that there is opposition to queer theology and on what grounds some people oppose it. Part of queer theology, I think, is that it is somewhat radical, which involves noting why it is radical and why some people oppose it -- it threatens power structures that benifit and disadvantage certain groups.
[edit] Community ban of the Joan of Arc vandal
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