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What's the point with the salary conversions? Obviously their salaries have gone up... being high profile players, and with the effect of inflation over the past decade... --Madchester 07:14, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC)

Can anyone elaborate on the seciton about the move from Quebec. I've always been told it was financial trouble, but I don't understand with the Canadian love of hockey...--68.167.34.42 17:59, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh, well, it wasn't Canada that owned the team, it was Marcel Aubut. (grins) RGTraynor 16:31, September 11, 2005 (UTC)


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[edit] List of Quebec Nordiques players

I have started a List of Quebec Nordiques players. It would be a great help is someone with a little extra time could fill in the missing gaps. I got all of the Quebec players who played in the WHA. I am just missing a few that played in the NHL. Thanks! Masterhatch 12 August 2005

[edit] Recent edits

1) Is the government of Quebec City mounting a credible, acknowledged bid to secure a NHL franchise, or does this remain wishful thinking on the part of fans? If the former, verifiable citations would be useful. If the latter, it's speculation better suited to Nordique-oriented web forums or blogs than an encyclopedia.

2) Please see the Team Pages Format for who merits inclusion in team Hall of Fame listings; Lafleur manifestly does not for the Nords.

3) The home provinces of honoured players are properly given in the entries for those players and are redundant here.

RGTraynor 05:24, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. 'Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Accent on Quebec

This is also an issue in the Expos, and to a lesser extent the Canadiens, articles. The proper English spelling is Quebec (not Québec) and that is the norm in the English-language wikipedia. Using the accent in written English is an affectation, and we don't use Québec for the same reason we don't refer to places like Warszawa, Italia, Praha, etc. in English-language articles, except perhaps to mention the non-English version(s) or official version of the place name. For the same reason, the French-language Wikipedia uses place names like Terre-Neuve and Angleterre, etc., not Newfoundland and England.

And, frankly, it is just plain silly to spell the totally English term "Quebec City" as "Québec City".

Although the City and Province might have English versions of their names, other places like Colisée de Québec probably do not, so I have not reverted those back to the English spelling. Similarly, I am not aware if the official name of the franchise used an accent in both English and French, so I have left it as Québec Nordiques, and others more familiar with the team can deal with that particular issue. Skeezix1000 19:45, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Simple. In French, the name of the team was not "Québec Nordiques" at all, but the "Nordique". I'm quite comfy with the diacritical being left out here, however much I agree with its use in le Colisée, which I've never heard translated into English. RGTraynor 20:48, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually it was the "Nordiques" and never the "Nordique".^--Vince 13:23, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

  • Support move because the team's English name is Quebec Nordiques and the city's name in English and here on wikipedia is Quebec City (without diacritics). Adding a diacritic to Quebec here, but not at Quebec City doesn't make sense. It's simple, in English, there is no diacritic on the Quebec Nordiques, and wikipedia should reflect that. Masterhatch 05:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, per Masterhatch.--Skeezix1000 13:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support per Masterhatch. RGTraynor 16:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Result: page moved. Eugène van der Pijll 19:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

I went on google and typed in "Quebec Nordiques" -wikipedia to see what articles would show up and if they had diacritics in them or not. "Québec Nordiques" is no different than "Quebec Nordiques" when i tried both in google: they both came up with the same number of hits (309,000) and the same pages showed up. google search

google page one

google page two

The next four on page two do not have accents, but they are online shopping sites.

Discounting the french site that popped up in the google search, only two sites on the first two pages of google had accents. I also looked at some other, more reputable, sources online:

Wikipedia:Naming conventions is clear "Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature." The majority of English speakers don't use a diacritic on Quebec and the English spelling of the city does not use an accent either. This proposed convention Wikipedia:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics) also supports not using diacritics in article titles unless it is most commonly written that way in English. Quebec Nordiques, not Québec Nordiques, is the most common way to write that name in English. Masterhatch 17:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Lindros edit

It was asserted today that Lindros said explicitly he didn't want to play in a "francophone environment." Now he certainly said he didn't want to play in Quebec, but I don't recall him ever saying the latter, and it isn't as if Lindros hadn't before pulled the "I don't want to play here" card ... unless someone is seriously suggesting that the Soo is a francophone environment. In any event, I slapped a citation tag on it; if someone doesn't come up with a source in a week, I'll revert the edit. RGTraynor 06:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I did find this [2], which says that Quebecers beleived that Lindros didn't like French Canadians. Yankees76 04:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

Is the name really pronounced with /dz/? Is just /d/, or is /dʒ/ intended? — 84.12.170.44 09:32, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Forsberg

I think that saying that Forsberg is likely a Hall of Famer is quite over the top. He's a great player, and he may get into it with some luck, but with 860-something points so far, it's far from being a done deal... --Childhood's End 22:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's pushing it (2 cups, 2 Olympic Gold, 2 World Championships, Calder, Art Ross and Hart Trophies, almost 850 points in just 674 games - not including another 162 playoff points), however, I don't think it belongs in the article, as it is only POV. Yankees76 03:50, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

One of the qualifications often used for Hall of Fame election in the various sports is "dominance." It can be legitimately argued that, over the last 10 years or so, maybe even the last 15 (1992 or 1997 to 2007), Peter Forsberg, when healthy, has been the best hockey player in the world. Fan polls, Hockey News polls of players, coaches and executives, and the like have backed this up. The only thing that's going to stop Forsberg from going to the Hall of Fame is not retiring. -- Pacholeknbnj 15:51, 8 March 2007 (EST)

A great many players (even post-expansion) have been elected with fewer points than Forsberg. RGTraynor 21:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] French-language name of team

I restored the French-language name of the team in the infobox, which had been removed with the explanation: "Removed 'french version' of Quebec Nordiques (there's no English version at French Wikipedia)". Quebec City is an overwhelmingly francophone urban area, so it is appropriate for the article to make mention of the version of the team name by which they were best known in their home city.

As for the fact that the French-language Wikipedia does not reference the English version of the name, my response is "why should it?". The Nordiques played in a francophone city, so why should a francophone encyclopedia include the English-version of their name? The French Wikipedia does, however, include the English version of the team name in its article on, say for example, the "Rockies du Colorado" because Colorado is an English-speaking town. Like the English-language encyclopedia, the French encyclopedia appears to include the name of the team in a different language where it is relevant to do so.

In any event, what the French-language Wikipedia includes or does not include is immaterial here, and should be worked out by the editors over at that encyclopedia. What is relevant for this article is that the Nordiques played in a francophone town, and the name of the team in French is a very relevant piece of information for this article. Skeezix1000 21:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

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