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[edit] Discussion from 2004 to early 2005

The population is incorrect, as it predates the 2002 anexation of many cities of the greater Quebec metropolitan

If the city's official name in English is Québec, shouldn't this article be at "Québec, Quebec" or similar? Marnanel 01:00, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Usual practice is to use the most common name. Most Anglophone Canadians know the city as Quebec City. However, we do have redirects from other variants such as Québec, Quebec and Quebec, Quebec. - Montréalais 03:20, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
In the English part of the Quebec City city government website, the city is called "Québec City" in English, albeit unofficially. http://www.ville.quebec.qc.ca/en/accueil/index.shtml--Aquarius rising 04:27, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Quebec City is the English-language version, and should be used the same way that Wikipedia refers to Warsaw, Rome, Prague, etc., not Warszawa, Roma and Praha. And frankly, given that Quebec City is a completely English term, writing it as Québec City is ridiculous (amounts to simply insérting accénts éverywhéré without régard to contéxt). Skeezix1000 18:14, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

"Laval University is located in the western end of the city. Founded by the Jesuits one year before Harvard University, Laval was the first university in North America."

Laval University was founded in 1663, as read on the wiki entry. Harvard was founded in 1636, predating Laval University by 27 years

Peter Wye 01:36, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Indeed. If 1663 is the right date, then the line should be removed. Also, Laval University was actually founded as a university in 1852 out of a seminary founded in 1663. I presume Harvard was also a college at its foundation. I presume it was not founded as a university from day one.
I will try to find out if 1663 really is the foundation date of the Séminaire de Québec. The Jesuits founded the Collège de Québec sometime in 1635. This is probably where the confusion comes from. People think that Laval University started as the Collège de Québec rather than the Séminaire de Québec.

-- Mathieugp 12:31, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Collège de Québec is actually now Collège Saint-Charles-Garnier, and it doesn't appear to be a university (anymore anyway). ] I'm just going to delete the line about Laval University being the oldest to avoid any confusion. --JF

Shouldn't this article be at either Quebec, Quebec or at just Quebec City? It seems like we're disambiguating twice for no reason. john k 16:00, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

(I'd prefer just "Quebec City", BTW). john k 16:00, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

We're not using the word "City" to disambiguate; we're using it because that's what it's most frequently called: I'm going to Quebec City this week. We add the ", Quebec" to follow the usual form for Canadian city articles. - Montréalais

[edit] Map

Please do not keep changing the map. The one you stole from the Quebec government is POV, because of its border with Labrador. -- Earl Andrew - talk 01:16, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

This article is a disaster.

Indeed. Any suggestions? I'm going to do something about that 2008 section, which is very distracting at the moment. Jkelly 03:28, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I'd like to see the events sections moved to a separate page or removed altogether. I also find the "Le Québec/Au Québec" discussion too prominent in the summary and of little interest to native English speakers interested in Quebec City, not French grammar. -Jeromeg 11:19, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] population

I reverted this change to the population figures because the user who made it has done nothing but change numbers without edit summaries or sources, and in one case did so in a way that directly contradicted a cited, reliable source. However, there's no source for the population number that's there now either, and the 2001 census gives the population as 169,076. This needs fixing. —Charles P. (Mirv) 23:52, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Move

  • Support. The word "City" is good enough to distinguish it from the province of Quebec, and is already unambiguous. What advantage besides consistency with U.S. cities besides New York City (which is titled as such, not as "New York City, New York") does the province name as an additional suffix have?? Georgia guy 23:17, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose: move would depart from the standard for Canadian cities. Jonathunder 03:07, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
    • "City, Province" is not the standard for notable Canadian cities. Therefore, the proposed move would be consistent with the standard. Skeezix1000 18:19, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Contravenes the common naming convention: Quebec City is sufficiently distinct without subjugating a user to type additional text, and a redirect to the alternate term is redundant. And what standard? Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa et al. aren't so entitled ... and recent attempts to do so again for Hogtown were again nixed when a consensus of editors there didn't support it. Moreover, as I contend, this standard – where Canadian cities are unnecessarily rolled in with American ones – was adopted for Canadian cities (methinks) without an appropriate consensus anyway and a separate proposal is forthcoming. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 04:01, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak support I think there's not much to say against the statu quo. Circeus 04:39, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong support -- I know the Americans are really wedded to the "city, state" format, but other notable Canadian cities do not follow that form. Skeezix1000 18:19, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

*Oppose. Darkildor 17:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC) - Consensus was reached 4 months ago. To raise the issue again, please follow the process in Wikipedia:Requested moves. Thanks.--Skeezix1000 17:31, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Moved. —Nightstallion (?) 08:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of Quebec City article created

In case anyone would be interested.... Juppiter 05:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Québec City page will change...

It's so boring to read this page vs the french page. So, I will add things for to be fun to read. This page will be seeing by a lot of people in the near future... so... need change.

MaThQc 21:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Metropolis?

I removed the reference to Quebec City being "the metropolis of the east" because that is incorrect. Montreal is the metropolis of the Province of Quebec, while Quebec is the capital (such as is the case of many American states).Archiesteel 17:12, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I see someone put "Metropolis of the East" back...I'd be curious to hear the reasoning behind this. Among Quebecois, the "Métropole" is Montreal and the "Capitale" (or even "Capital Nationale", which is a bit more controversial) is Quebec City. I'm applying the change again unless a good rationale can be given here for keeping the "Metropolis of the East" reference.Archiesteel 17:12, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
The ONU qualify Metropolis has a city with 8 millions people, but Montréal don't have 8 millions people or Metropolis is a city with a power in a particular region. Here, in Quebec City, in the medias, we named Québec has a Metropolis like Montréal, Toronto or Vancouver. That's why we name Québec City metropolitan area. So, I will changed your modify. Next time, go here and we will talk. MaThQc 22:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
(Sorry, I had written this on your talk page instead - I'm re-writing it here...) Salut MaThQc...j'imagine que tu parle français puisque tu as écrit "ONU" plutôt que "UN" ;-)... À propos du mot "Métropole"...en général, on l'oppose à celui de "Capitale," la métropole étant un centre d'affaires, à vocation économique, tandis que la capitale représente une fonction gouvernementale (c'est le siège du pouvoir). Parfois, les deux villes sont la même (comme pour Paris en France, et Londres en Angleterre). Parfois, elles sont distinctes (ex. New York et Albany, Dallas et Houston, Los Angeles et Sacramento). C'est le cas pour la province de Québec: Montréal est la métropole, Québec la capitale, ce qui va dans le même sens que l'usage courant au Québec (on a qu'à se souvenir de Télé-Métropole et Télé-Capitale). Le sens du mot étant sensiblement le même en anglais, je crois que l'on devrait donc s'abstenir d'affubler Québec de cet attribut...de plus, l'usage de l'adjectif "métropolitain" (metropolitan) ne signifie pas nécessairement qu'il s'agisse d'une Métropole. Archiesteel 20:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Quebec City is not really a metropolis in the English-language sense of the word. The Quebec City metropolitan area is the city itself with all surrounding municipalities that have a high degree of social and economic integration with the core city. And Quebec City is part of a census metropolitan area. Skeezix1000 21:55, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Skeezix, and while I appreciate the response MaThQc gave me on my talk page, I still think the use of the word here is too controversial, and should be removed.Archiesteel 22:38, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Je t,ai répondu hier soir sur ta page de discussion. MaThQc 02:43, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too many images.

way too many images in the start of this article IMO.

[edit] moving

I am moving Quebec City to Quebec City capital. --Elmo125.467/891.011.121.415.164.057.984.887.982.481.215.470.890.199.919.652.468.Yay 01:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Second oldest?

Quebec City is the second-oldest existing European settlement in Canada (after Saint John, New Brunswick)

Are we sure? Saint John is the oldest "incorporated" city, but Quebec is the oldest permanent settlement.

http://www.cityofsaintjohn.com/2.cfm?PageID=3-4-40#sjincorp (On St. John the Baptist Day, June 24, 1604, French explorer Samuel de Champlain landed at the mouth of a mighty river which he named St. John in honour of the day. Nearly thirty years later, Charles de LaTour, self-appointed Governor of Acadia, settled at the mouth of the St. John River.)--BarLaf 00:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

"Quebec City is not the oldest settlement in Canada; Port Royal, Nova Scotia, St. John's) and Tadoussac, Quebec were all created earlier. However Quebec city is the first to have been founded with the explicit goal of receiving permanent settlement and not as a commercial outpost, and therefore is often considered to be the first city in Canada."
That's what I learned from my history lessons anyway. St-John's was a harbour with no permanent inhabitants, while Tadoussac was a trading station for fur exchanges. They only grew into cities later. UnHoly 05:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
User 134.153.130.143 changed the sentence to "only Port-Royal, St-John's and Tadoussac were created earlier". Can we get a source for this? UnHoly 12:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Highest falls?

"Quebec City has... Highest falls in Canada, the Chutes Montmorency"

I believe Della Falls in B.C. is the highest at 440m.

http://mapx.map.vgd.gov.lv/geo3/Ukr/Pamatlapas_Slices/Arzemes_E/Pasaules%20augstakie_E.htm

--64.42.209.81 17:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, I removed that claim. Other claims in that sections are dubious but I can't check their veracity so I'll leave them for now. Someone should look into it.--70.81.13.192 23:09, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
The Atlas of Canada has a listing of all important falls, coast to coast:
http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/learningresources/facts/waterfalls.html/document_view
The Chutes Montmorency rank 8th. Niagara falls rank 12th/13th. -- Mathieugp 00:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Highest proportion of freeway in the world?

There is a claim at the end which states that Quebec City has "The highest proportion of freeway by inhabitant in the world"....I had heard that amongst the metropolitan areas in Canada, Quebec did have the highest proportion of freeway (which i can't confirm anywhere anyway)...but the highest proportion in the world? For some reason i highly doubt that...can anyone confirm? User:fcsk 04 July 2006

[edit] Cathedral

Corrected and clarified information relating to the Cathedral-Basilica. It isn't the first Cathedral in the New World (that's in Santa Domingo, built in 1503). The term "see" was used incorrectly to refer to the building; "see" refers to a diocese. Changed the pipe of primate church to primatial, to make it grammatically correct.--Cantabwarrior 13:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major edits

Alright, to the best of my ability I cleaned up the page, added a new page on Notre Dame Des Victoires, and removed a ton of red links. Hopefully we can get some residents of Quebec to fill in the blanks that I removed - I'd rather see blue than black! Synthetic 13:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wall of Quebec

Why isn't there anything about the wall of Quebec?

Add it! Find a good source and add the detail. I thought the wall was really neat, but do not know enough about the city to add the info. Fundamentaldan 21:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture Arrangement

Under the municipal government section, I changed the pictures to side-by-side instead of both on the right side following each other. That gave too much of a gap of white space, in my mind. If anyone does not like this arrangement, just let me know. Fundamentaldan 21:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Museums

Added links to official websites of museums listed on the page. I attempted to link directly to the English index page if the main index page did not offer a prominent choice between English and French.

Cantabwarrior 15:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

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