Talk:Quantum mysticism
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[edit] let me know what you all think
Hi - let me know what you all think - how detailed should this be? Its main purpose is to comment on the phenomenon of quantum mysticism as a whole, rather than the scattered pages on Capra, What the Bleep, and Quantum Consciousness etc etc. Adambrowne666 09:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Its a good start. Good idea for an article. --Brentt 22:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Renaming to either Quantum philosphy or Quantum metaphysics. The current title is stupid and makes little sence. 60.41.187.156
[edit] Quantum philosphy
previous article was removed maybe it can be incorporated into a new one: H0riz0n Whereas the philosophy of quantum mechanics explores what exactly is quantum mechanics talking about? Quantum Philosophy / quantum metaphysics, on the other hand, takes thing much further and muses on what these possibilities and interpretations have on the broader “Who are we? What are we?” questions. It is a relatively new discipline of metaphysics made popular by the philosophical implication and musings of quantum mechanics. The recent box office success of What the Bleep Do We Know!? has also significantly increase popularity in quantum metaphysical ideas.
[edit] Key Questions:
- What does it mean if we truly exist in a Brane Universe?
- Where is God in the quantum mechanical universe?
- What's reality in quantum mechanics?
- Who/what is quantum mechanical God?
[edit] Authors, Contributors, Philosophers
Steven Hawking, Brian Greene, William Tiller, Amit Goswami, John Hagelin, Fred Alan Wolf, Dr. David Albert, Dean Radin, Stuart Hameroff, Jeffrey Satinover, Andrew B. Newberg, Daniel Monti,Joseph Dispenza, Candace Pert, Larry L Hench, Stanislav Grof
[edit] See also
- Philosophy of science
- Philosophy of physics
- Philosophy of quantum mechanics
- Philosophy of space and time
- Philosophy of thermal and statistical physics
[edit] External Links and Related Material
- "Quantum Physics Quackery", Skeptical Inquirer, January 1997 (discusses book The Self-Aware Universe)
- PBS Nova The Elegant Universe
- Movie: What The Beep Do We Know?
- Distributed unconsciousness
[edit] comment copied from Talk:Quantum pseudo-mysticism
name of page changed from 'mysticism' to 'pseudo-mysticism', as per suggestion by user HOrizOn Adambrowne666 20:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC) [1]
[edit] Moving/renaming this page
Everyone: stop creating new pages by cutting and pasting the contents of this article. See WP:MOVE. I'm putting it back under this title because it's the simplest way for me to resolve the current mess caused by these cut-and-paste moves. I don't really care what title it winds up under as long as (1) the people involved in editing it reach a consensus on what it should be (2) you don't get into move wars (renaming it over and over) (3) you don't do any more of these cut-and-paste moves. FreplySpang (talk) 23:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- Okay. I think it's done. Feel free to edit. Quantum mysticism and Quantum pseudo-mysticism both redirect to Quantum metaphysics. All the talk pages redirect here. Once again, I'm not doing this because I particularly like or dislike the name "quantum metaphysics," but because the article history was under this name. If you want to move/rename the article, you might ask at Wikipedia:Requested moves. FreplySpang (talk) 23:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Requested move
Quantum metaphysics → Quantum mysticism – {- Rationale: the original article was changed from 'quantum mysticism' to 'quantum metaphysics' by user hOrIzOn, who finds the term 'mysticism' offensive to his 'quantum metaphysical' beliefs. After some debate, we compromised on 'pseudo-mysticism'. Adambrowne666 06:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)}
[edit] Survey
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[edit] Discussion
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What sources do you have that call this quantum mysticism? What English speakers actually use is our chief test. Septentrionalis 21:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Yeah, good question. Maybe it should be called Quantum flapdoodle? - this was mooted at one point, but I thought it placed too much emphasis on Murray Gell-Mann - now, I dunno. Adambrowne666
Actually, now that I google the term, it pops up quite often, generally in reference to this social phenomenon - there's even an article by Margaret Wertheim on the topic, which I will include as a link in the article. Also, there's a secion in the Wikipedia article quantum consciousness called 'Quantum mysticism', so it turns out there is quite a bit of precedent. Adambrowne666 03:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Deletion notices on your page
This page is retarded. First such a subject doesnt exist. 60.41.188.125 Delete 60.41.188.125
[edit] What is it?
Just came across this page, and I have to say that it doesn't actually say what quantum metaphysics/(pseudo-)mysticism is. At the least, it touches upon it, but we really could use a concise definition to make this more encyclopedic. blahpers 03:34, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, good point, thanks, I'll get on it Adambrowne666 12:53, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The 'Quantum metaphysics' redirection
- Removed redirection from the 'Quantum metaphysics' page to the 'Quantum pseudo-mysticism' page.
- Removal reverted by Adambrowne666, who said: "i don't agree, pseudo-account - please give your reasons before editing again"
The article 'quantum metaphysics' should not redirect to 'quantum pseudo-mysticism', that was the reason of my edit—I thought it said all that had to be said. Reasons are called for on your redirecting side, not mine. But here is my elaboration: 'quantum metaphysics' and 'quantum pseudo-mysticism' are not synonymous expressions; they are distinct topics, just as 'quantum mechanics' and 'quantum pseudo-science' are. Even if you think you have a case for one being an instance of the other, that warrants no redirects.
I for one was presented the 'Quantum pseudo-mysticism' article when following a link to 'quantum metaphysics', expecting... something —this *is* wikipedia— either on that part of quantum theory that makes assertions concerning the real itself, independent of our located perception of it; or else on that sub-genre of metaphysics— genre whose paradigmatic instances include Aristotle's and Parmenides' — inspired, compatible or otherwise related to quantum theory. Here is the first sentence of the text I was actually given to read: "Quantum mysticism is a term used by Margaret Wertheim and others to describe the metaphysical or New Age interpretation of quantum mechanics". --Pseudo account 18:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
ok, fair enough, well argued Adambrowne666 22:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
why don't you have a go at writing the Quantum Metaphysics article? Adambrowne666
[edit] "[...] the metaphysical or New Age interpretation of quantum of mechanics."
Irrespective of what Margaret Wertheim or others describe by the term 'quantum mysticism', I hope people realize that such expression inside an encyclopedia is somewhere between humorous and embarrassing, depending on how seriously you take what this project claims to be. I would most certainly remove it, if I were a non-pseudo account.
--Pseudo account 21:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
not quite sure what you're saying here - you're unclear in your statement why this article might be considered humorous or embarrassing - doesn't the fact that Quantum Mysticism is a real social phenomenon make this a legitimate article? Adambrowne666 22:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Article name
Quantum mysticism redirects here. What's the deal? Are mystics insulted by association? Quantum mysticism is the name commonly used in the press and in common usage. Quantum Pseudo-mysticism is not in common usage. I advice a move to Quantum Mysticism. Jefffire 12:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree. There was a bit of a scuffle over the name, and this unsatisfactory compromise was reached. I'm going to request a name change soon Adambrowne666 01:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] requested move
Quantum Pseudo-mysticism → Quantum mysticism – Rationale: the current title came about as a compromise after much discussion with user:HoRiZoN, but the latter title is now considered preferable because there is precedence [[2]] Adambrowne666 11:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Survey
- Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
- Support. Can an admin move it but now? Jefffire 13:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- Support If people really are mystical and justify said mysticism with bad physics (which is what this is about), then the article should be called quantum mysticism (or, to a physicist, pseudo-quantum mysticism). Anville 15:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion
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Give it a day, and if no-one objects move it. If they don't then we utilise our linguistic powers to try and convince them. Jefffire 12:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Move. Really, I would have thought that "pseudo-mysticism" is even more disparaging than "mysticism", it seems to be one chap's idiosyncracy that led to this in the first place. Quantum mysticism it is. Byrgenwulf 13:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- Right, unless there are any objections it will be moved. Jefffire 13:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- Already listed for admin move. Cool. Jefffire 18:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. Vegaswikian 22:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
"the 2004 film What tнe ♯$*! Do ωΣ (k)πow!? Made by the Ramtha School of Enlightenment "
nonsense. sorry
-- of course it's nonsense - read the article, then get back to us. Adambrowne666 10:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Scientific mysticism
I'm not suggesting a change of name for the article, but you all might be interested to know that the expression "scientific mysticism" currently gets more google hits than "quantum mysticism". I have a sort of conflict of interest, having used the phrase "scientific mysticism" for a long time (and in something like the sense of this article) in a vague attempt to popularise it - so I'll confine myself to the talk page. But someone else might might be interested at least to have a look at what a google search throws up. It's quite interesting. Metamagician3000 11:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
It is interesting, I agree, and definitely a valid term - maybe Quantum Mysticism is a subset of Scientific Mysticism. Why don't you start a WP article on it? - maybe in time the Quantum Mysticism article will be merged into it.Adambrowne666 23:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- I don't actually think that would be justified - the term doesn't seem to be used often enough or consistently enough (sometimes it is used pejoratively as with "quantum mysticism", but sometimes it seems approvingly). Maybe all that we should be thinking about is mentioning briefly that it isn't just quantum theory that is seized on for "mystical" purposes but sometimes also other things, such as relativity theory. Metamagician3000 04:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, go for it. Adambrowne666 10:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge
I agree, but the title is going to be a tricky issue. Maybe something like "controversial interpetations of quantum mechanics". 1Z 15:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree with a merge. I suggest merging first, and renaming afterwards. Daf 15:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
