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[edit] Newcomer

Hi there. Welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like it here and stick around. Thanks for your note on the new user log. It's fine if all you do are minor edits. This is a volunteer site, so anything you contribute is quite welcome.

Before you start doing major editing, you might want to take the Tutorial. It gives all the basic info you'll need as you start contributing.

You can sign your name on talk pages by using " ~~~ " for your username and " ~~~~ " for your username and a timestamp.

If you have any other questions about the project then check out Wikipedia:Help or add a question to the Help desk. You can also drop me a question on my talk page.

Happy editing, Isomorphic 03:33, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Robin Patterson

Welcome to WP! I've accepted your invitation to expand this page... So, too much free time? - you could be just what WP needs; FIRST, please, I suggest that you have time to go back and sign your New User Log - found at User Contributions - to make it easier (to contact you) for those of us with less time!! All the best - Robin Patterson 00:57, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

If i didn't sign it before, someone signed it for me... Pyrop 06:22, Jun 28, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks Pyrop.....

.....for fixing my glitch with Nadia Cohen on Vfd. When I realised what I had done and went back to rectify it, and then tried to save the page, I got a message saying Sorry! The wiki is experiencing some technical difficulties, and cannot contact the database server. Too many connections. When I finally got back there, voila, you had done the fix for me. Nice one. Moriori 01:58, Jul 6, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Weissmuller/Kahanamoku discrepancy

Hi Pyrop,

I answered your question at Talk:Johnny Weissmuller. Jeronimo 17:32, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Yoshitoshi ABe

Is that "B" really supposed to be capitalized? RickK 22:45, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Afro

Hmm, I consider his Afro hair to be one of the most important characteristic of that hero. In fact, the often forgotten plot of the story is that he is trying to save the hair of mankind from a evil group that tries to shave off everyone's hair. I think it is relevant enough to mention. Revth 06:37, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It would be relevant to mention, on a page about Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo. If the Afro page mentioned every time an Afro showed up anywhere in pop culture, it would be enormous, and Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo is a pretty obscure mention of it compared to the popularity of the Afro. Also, your edit to Afro where you added the information on Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo was marked as a minor edit. Any edit like that is not a minor edit; see Wikipedia:Minor_edit. Pyrop 19:03, Sep 6, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Utena

Hi there! You've done some good work on the Utena article, and I wanted to give you props. Do you really think putting the character list in alphabetical order is a good idea, though? It seems only right and natural that the most critical characters (Utena, Anthy, the Student Council) be at the top, and the supporting cast (Black Rose) closer to the bottom. After all, an encyclopedia reader unfamiliar with the series would find it more useful to know about Utena's character immediately than about Juri's. I'm going to go ahead and change it to a compromise that ranks characters roughly by importance and uses alphabetical order as a tiebreaker; if you dislike it, let's talk about it on the discussion page. --SatyrEyes 04:08, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I alphabetized them because i was under the impression they were alphabetized before WhisperToMe put them into Western order; looking back, i was wrong. "Order of appearance" would make sense, as would grouping all the Student Council or Black Rose Duellists together (in fact, i think i'm going to do that right now). I don't want to do strictly "Order of Importance" because that's kind of subjective and some otaku will start an edit war over the fact that we put Juri before Saionji or something, but it does make sense to put them in a rough order of how critical they are to the series: the Characters in Neon Genesis Evangelion page does the same thing.Pyrop 04:43, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Actual inconsistencies in the Bible

No, I am not intending to do anything with that page. If you look at the edit history comment, you will note that I intend it as nothing other than a redirect. It arose as a point from a discussion on the other page's talk page. CheeseDreams 22:35, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Anime/manga project

Hello. Could you give me more detail about your Wiki project? You left a little note about it on my talk page. I already edit some anime/manga articles from time to time, so yeah, maybe I could join it. In that case, would I only need to add my name to that list of users? Thank you. – Kaonashi 12:14, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

  • The particulars are still very up in the air, but i think it's worth organanizing a concentrated effort to give some consistency to Wikipedia's anime and manga articles. All you need to do is add your name, yes. -℘yrop (talk) 17:04, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

Alright then. I'd like to add the name I use for signatures, so I'll fix the list for that, if you don't mind. It'll stay just the same. Drop me a message if you need to discuss anything.

Regards. – Kaonashi 23:10, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Don't go through redirects to avoid others

Please. Lagrange's Theorem is a redirect page, as you would expect, since the "T" is incorrectly capitalized. Try Lagrange's theorem, with a lower-case "t" conforming to standard Wikipedia style. Michael Hardy 22:26, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Neon Genesis Evangelion

Oh, sorry about that - that was my mistake. I looked quickly at the two pages, and thought you had done a cut-and-paste move, when in fact you had (as you point out) done a content merge by hand. My error, sorry.

One thing you could usefully do in the future (which doesn't take admin powers to do) is move the article you merged into Talk: space as a subpage of the target's talk page (the way I did), and link to it from the article's talk page. Do the directions for doing merges talk about that? I forget where they are, now. That leaves a redirect at the original location to delete, but you can put that on WP:RfD. Noel (talk) 23:57, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] The Humungous Image Tagging Project

Hi. You've helped with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

[edit] Shonen Ai

Giving consistency is all good and well, but could you enlighten me as to why you "merged" the Boys Love entry with the Shounen Ai entry? Properly organized, the Boys Love, Shounen Ai, Yaoi, etc. (are there more?) articles should probably all be sections under one larger article (possibly Shonen Ai would be most appropriate, but that's arguable) but until that happens, simply merging related but distinct pages just makes articles harder to follow. Boys Love is specifically about the mainstream Japanese market aimed at female audiences, as opposed to dojinshi or manga targetted at gay men and such, and further information (entirely inappropriate for an article about Shonen Ai in general) was to be added. Unless you can explain a bit, I feel it would be best for me to reinstate the Boys Love article Orinthe 16:40, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I was pretty sure that "Boys Love" as used by in Japanese and "Shonen-ai" as used in English refer to the exact same thing, and indeed that's the impression i got from both articles. (As a prime example, the shonen-ai's interwiki goes to the Japanese wikipedia's article ja:ボーイズラブ (bōizu rabu).) Also, there was no information on Boys love that was not on shonen-ai I think a section in shonen-ai titled "The shonen-ai market in Japan" or something would be most appropriate. -℘yrop (talk) 17:53, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)

The Shonen-ai article does indeed link to the Japanese ボーイズラブ article, but that doesn't necessarily imply that they are identical. The Japanese Wikipedia is not, after all, a translation of the English wikipedia, or vice versa. Anyway, you're right about the most appropriate place being a subsection of shonen-ai. Perhaps I was trying to create a meaningless distinction in English that doesn't exist Japanese. Speaking of, what's your opinion on the presence of solely Western yaoi culture in the Wikipedia articles? Maybe my Japanese is just not good enough, but I don't believe there's a clear distinction in meaning between yaoi and boys love in Japanese. The Japanese articles seem to just mention it as being alternate words, whereas in English there is a clear distinction: yaoi is more hardcore than boys love(shounen ai). The Japanese shounen ai page 少年愛 talks almost solely about pederasty... dealing with one language's cultural baggage is hard enough, trying to avoid pitfalls in two at the same time is pretty awful. Orinthe 03:27, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't speak Japanese to any meaningful degree, and am not a fan of yaoi or shounen-ai. I'm not sure where the BL/yaoi/whatever delineation is in Japanese, but if there's a real interest i could get a yaoi fangirl i know with actual experience in Japanese fandom to elaborate.
The articles should most definetly mention both Japanese and western yaoi culture; but since most contributors here are native Westerners, we're going to have a coverage bias in that direction, unfortunately. -℘yrop (talk) 07:06, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)


[edit] "Soviet Russia"

The term that you are using "Soviet Russia" is imprecise and generally incorrect. It's either Soviet Union or USSR if you refer to the whole country, or RSFSR if you refer to one of its constituent parts. --Gene s 05:57, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction; i didn't know that, although it makes sense now that i think about it. (I hope the oppose vote on my Request for adminship isn't only because of this... :) )-℘yrop (talk) 06:10, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Towns of China

There are pages for both cities and towns, e.g. List_of_towns_in_the_United_Kingdom or List_of_cities_in_the_United_Kingdom and Category:Cities_in_England. However only one List_of_towns_in_Germany, since in Germany, there is (to my knowledge) no distiction between city and town, only between city and village. I don't know the situation in China, but I would either create List_of_towns_in_China or link to List_of_cities_in_China. J heisenberg 15:23, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Political divisions of China#Township level explains what a "town" is in the PRC. The other pages of the form "(political division) of China" (e.g. Province of China, County of China are all pages explaining what that term means, not lists of (political division)s, so i think that's what Town of China and Township of China were intended to be as well; in the absence of an actual article, Political divisions of China seems to explain what they are well enough. -℘yrop (talk) 17:56, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)
This doesn't look like a very fruitful discussion =/. Town of China = town in China? What would towns of Belgium be in towns of Sweden?J heisenberg 18:11, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
And besides, there is a link out of Political divisions of China#Township level into town of china.
I think it sounds weird too, but that's the way it seems to be set up. We have States of Germany and States of Brazil as well, so the form "x of y" where x is the entity and y is the country it's in isn't only used in the China articles.
You should really take up further discussion on the Political divisions of China talk page; i honestly don't know anything about the political divisions of China. -℘yrop (talk) 18:24, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)
The States of Germany takes you to a list of German states though... I'll revert and ask in Talk:Political divisions of China if they object.J heisenberg 18:35, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Momasu (reply)

Nah don't worry about it, I know I have to follow all the Wikipedia rules (even though theres bajillions of pages to explain everything)

And in reply to the suggestion, Yes I did make the actual page to go with that redirect (needs copyediting) but thats why I made a Template:copyedit Template ^_^

Louisisthebest_007 12:33, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Excommunication as a form of apostasy

It's important to know why Zappaz stretches the meaning of "apostate" so that it no longer denotes a voluntary act of leaving a religion. Zappaz is very concerned with the interests of "new religious movements", not excluding those which are widely considered to be cults. These new religious movements do not like criticism and they frequently deal with it by trying to discredit their critics. One important way they do this is by finding "scholars" who will declare that "the testimonies of apostates cannot be considered reliable"; once they've gotten someone to make that statement, it's in their interests to stretch the definition of "apostate" as widely as possible, so that whether someone is out of the religion by their own choice or forced out, they can all be discredited with the statement "So-and-so Ph.D declared that apostates aren't reliable sources of testimony, and therefore this guy who says he was forced out of Guru Ali Baba's group because he caught the Guru having sex with prepubescents -- well, sure, no one has actually discredited his testimony, but, see, he isn't reliable, because he's an apostate." That's why you shouldn't be surprised if Zappaz reverts your changes, particularly with some flimsy excuse such as "you haven't cited ten different authorities who draw a distinction between excommunication and apostasy; therefore it's your own unsupported POV and it has to be removed." -- Antaeus Feldspar 01:44, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oh boy. I think i'm generally on your side of this argument, but i never meant to get involved in any possible content war; i was just linkhopping through and thought the sentence was weird. -℘yrop (talk) 05:04, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Matsuo Basho poems at WikiQuote

I see you added two Basho poems at WikiQuote. It would be great if you could add the translator (and source?), since he didn't write in English. BlankVerse 09:03, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] On Kolmogorov alleged homosexuality

See Talk:Andrey Nikolaevich Kolmogorov --Gene s 07:54, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Mathematics Wikiportal

I noticed you've done some work on Mathematics articles. I wanted to point out to you the new Mathematics Wikiportal- more specifically, to the Mathematics Collaboration of the Week page. I'm looking for any math-related stubs or non-existant articles that you would like to see on Wikipedia. Additionally, I wondered if you'd be willing to help out on some of the Collaboration of the Week pages.

I encourage you to vote on the current Collaboration of the Week, because I'm very interested in which articles you think need to be written or added to, and because I understand that I cannot do the enormous amount of work required on some of the Math stubs alone. I'm asking for your help, and also your critiques on the way the portal is set up.

Please direct all comments to my user-talk page, the Math Wikiportal talk page, or the Math Collaboration of the Week talk page. Thanks a lot for your support! ral315 02:54, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cyberia

About your revert in Cyberia... actually it might be interesting information. I propose we leave it out for now and try to check it. If we can confirm this, it might be worth putting it back in. Shinobu 02:50, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

On the same note your Neon Genesis Evangelion glossary edit was not quite up to standard as well. The pronunciation was correct, insofar as it can be spelled out using English orthography. I'll add IPA sometime.

Please don't take it personally if I check your edits, but I think you are a acting little trigger happy. Although of course it is a good thing that someone is having a critical look at pages. Shinobu 03:01, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It's absolutely true that the nightclub in Serial Experiments Lain was called Cyberia. It is already mentioned on the Lain article that the nightclub Cyberia is probably a reference to the book; i don't think it stands out enough from any other references to the book to be mentioned on Cyberia, and is most likely not of interest to someone looking for information on the book.
Also, "zay-ler" would only be a correct pronunciation in dialects of English that pronounce "er" as the schwa. I don't see the pronunciation should be given for just that one term, or for any of the terms; we're an encyclopedia, not a dictionary. -℘yrop (talk) 03:21, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

Adding pronunciation/etymology information is not unusual for an ancyclopedia. Neither is it useless. A lot of people out there can only read English - without a pronunciation key of some kind words from other languages are just strings of letters. Adding IPA for foreign words and terms is not a bad idea. Please note that there are already a lot of pages with IPA hints, and that they are generally welcomed. Knowing the pronunciation of a word makes it easier to remember as well.

About Cyberia: well I think that depends on the number of references. Maybe the real problem is the non-existance of a seperate page for the book, where such references can be put inline without looking cluttered. I think that these kind of references are part of the influence a book has had, and thus worth mentioning - precisely because were an encyclopedia.

Oh, and thanks for the name order fix. Shinobu 11:26, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

non-existance of a seperate page - sorry, this is a mistake. When I clicked trhough to Cyberia in past I must have ended up in the redirect or something. It remains true however that we haven't got much on this subject. When articles are that short most any information is welcome... (sorry for the sarcasm) Shinobu 11:49, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Zettai Kareshi

Hello. As the user who started WikiProject Anime and manga, I need your advice. The article Zettai Kareshi has been tagged with {{cleanup-importance}} since February and has not been modified since then. The article says that Zettai Kareshi is a Japanese manga. So I was wondering if it is notable, and if so, could you or the other Wikipedians on your Wikiproject help clean it up and remove the {{cleanup-importance}} tag. Otherwise, it will have to go on VFD. Thanks. Zzyzx11 | Talk 07:51, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What needs doing?

Hi there. I see you helped rescue Welsh English from the trolls earlier -- thanks! You also set a "this article needs cleaning up" notice on it. Can you explain what sort of things you were thinking of? I haven't tried to fix an article with that notice before, so I thought I'd better check before going off in my own direction. There are certainly things I want to correct and add there, but they might not be what need fixing the most. Thanks, Telsa 23:56, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

I didn't set that notice there, i just reverted back to it; the trolls had put a POV check notice there instead of the cleanup notice. User:152.163.101.5 put the cleanup notice there in the first place. I don't see much in need of cleaning up anymore. It's entirely possible 152.163.101.5 was just trolling as well, so if you don't see anything as well i think it would be due to remove the notice. -℘yrop (talk) 05:11, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
Oh, right. I did flip through the history page, but I must have missed its original appearance. Sorry about that, and thanks again. Telsa 07:27, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User:Akosygin

Your advice at User talk:Akosygin was half-right. For Japanese names, you should look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)#Person names. To summarize: most articles for modern Japanese are in Given name Surname order. For historical figures, however, such as the haiku poet Matsuo Basho, the names will follow the Japanese tradition of Surname Given name (no comma). BlankVerse ∅ 11:47, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

This leads to confusion and a presumption that the reader already knows about the person they are about to look up. If the reader only found the name of the person with no other information (short of using the search), they would also need to know the date the person was born and died in order to figure out what they are looking for. Let's say the Japanese naming is applied to the English names, so that I can better illustrate my point: A reader is given a name of Richard, John to look up. In Wikipedia there are two entires: one for an 18th century historian named John Richard, and another for a 20th century pop star also labeled John Richard. Based upon the rules applied to the Japanese names, the reader is going to be very confused as to whether they should be looking at the historian or the pop star. However, if it was an 18th century historian named John, Richard; and a 20th century pop star named Richard, John. Now it is clear who the reader should be looking at. Akosygin 05:06, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
Well, yes, Japanese names are an exception. In either case, the form "Lastname, Firstname" is just wrong. -℘yrop (talk) 17:47, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
While the names are Japanese names, this is an English encyclopedia. Even in indexing in an English encyclopedia and entries headings we use the person's surname, given-name regardless of nationality of the name. You don't look up an author of a book in a library by given-name then surname. The naming convention should follow the language for the entry it was written in for the English reader, not the language of the entry concerned. If you go to a library, you don't look up someone by their given name and even for a Japanese name, they will insert a comma to make the distinction. I would agree with you if it was the links of the entry or the text content proper using the name of the person that it should be given first, surname last. But when it comes to headings and listings, it should be surname comma given-name. Akosygin 04:56, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Please put any further discussion about this issue on Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions. -℘yrop (talk) 05:47, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User:Dbraceyrules on the History of Slavery in the United States article

Thank you for reverting the History of Slavery in the United States article back to what I added. Apparently, the previous editor was light-hearted - however, what I had added on that page had been the entire truth from competent sources.Dbraceyrules 22:12, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] KaraC

Why did you tag the article KaraC for deletion? Now it simply redirects to FLCL, but that doesn't make sense, since the genuine and accurate content of the page is not included in that article.

I'm alright with having KaraC direct to FLCL, but do you think I should just add the content of that page to FLCL?--Seth Goldin 20:03, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Read the reasons given on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/KaraC. -℘yrop (talk) 21:07, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry about that

I apologize about that, kind of new to the wiki scene and didn't even know abut the Talk:FLCL. I'll post my arguments in the the Talk page soon, sorry about that. I just thought it was an error how it was gone each time.  :( BeanSoldier

[edit] Thomas Pynchon

This protection was based on a request from interested parties. Danny 18:23, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Table namespace

User:Omegatron/Tablenamespacespam — Omegatron 01:09, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please vote on list of lists, a featured list candidate

Please vote at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of lists of mathematical topics. Michael Hardy 20:51, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I guess you were wrong

I guess you were wrong with your edit to the Keaton page, which now contains none of your original work and in fact goes completely against your ideals on your little redirect not. Meh, you can't win them all, mate. JayKeaton 17:53, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zoe7

[edit] Zoe7

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Zoe7, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Matt 08:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Uh, that's nice. I don't care if you delete it or if you nominate it for featured article. -℘yrop (talk) 00:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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