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[edit] Commercial Licenses

Is there a source that can verify commercial licences for pyroto are still being sold? Are there websites using the software? If so, I'll help expand this article. --Measure 23:24, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Contact support@pyroto.info, based on the website.

Ok, www.pyroto.info still says "Pyroto Mountain is available at www.PyrotoMountain.com" which also appears to be dead, meaning Pyroto.info looks just as dead as the other sites. --Measure 00:22, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Also, I would send an email to try to see if anything was alive over there, but I'm pretty sure that would violate WP:NOR. I certainly wouldn't be able to include anything from an email response in this article. --Measure 00:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm hoping that someone might contribute something, so I've de-prodded the article. I suggest we give it some time and then if someone wants to take it to AfD, maybe that will be the way to go. But I think PM was notable enough in its day that it would be better to document it here. Also, I wold like to add a stub template, but I'm not sure which; suggestions welcome. · rodii · 16:16, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I was a fan of Pyroto in it's day, but I get the feeling it was not a well-known website outside of itself and -perhaps- the Straight Dope message boards. In any case, I don't see where pyroto qualifies as notable under WP:WEB. I proded it because I was looking at my first edit ever. It was to this page, and it was still listed as (top) several months later.

I would love to see this article expanded, but I don't think there's any documented evidence to find, outside of a few ancient fansites. I'll probably add an appropriate stub to it eventually, but I fully expect to see no contributions to this article for another months-to-years long stretch if it does stay around.

On an additional note, I did email the above address and got a token response, but after I sent a reply telling them that I was doing research for Wikipedia, and looking for more info about Pyroto, I recieved no futher emails. --Measure 17:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Several people have emailed the address on their current web page (and the web page seems to be maintained, as it changes some tiny bit every few months), but none have received replies. If people were -actually- licensing it commercially, you'd think there'd be another one for the public. On the other hand, you could try out ankhet.com.

As well, the original BBS software is still out there on the Internet, and can be run. Pretty sure that it's impossible to actually buy a license for it anymore, so those who had licenses back in the day might find that interesting.

[edit] Sources

Do we have sources for any of the new claims in this article? I even see a self-reference now? I can't understand why that's in there, or I'd take it out immediately myself. --Measure 00:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

What claims need addressed? I am one such person who purchased a commercial license / source code in the 80s and ran and sold a version of the software called Land of the Neverest Mountain that was running in Indianapolis, IN. I could answer some questions about the original game/door but lost track of the original author in the early 90s when he started spending more time in the political arena in Quebec. I did play on the web version for a short period of time in the late 90s but was sidetracked by other endeavors and it appears the site is down now.

The probelm is that there are no sources for anything in the article. I played the game, you bought the game, but that information is technically unusable due to Wikipedia:No original research. And as I've said above, I don't think Pyroto is even really notable enough to justify an article, especially because the game no longer exists an any form on the internet. Also, even when it did exist, it was never very popular. --Measure 23:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

The overall popularity of Pyroto is hard to judge. In some cities (local dial-up, remember), like Montreal, it was very popular. It has a joined a lot of "dark history" of the BBS era which was forgotten once the Internet (with its historical continuity) gained dominance—and the winners write the history books. For sources, check BBS: The Documentary. I know that Tim Campbell (the author) was interviewed quite a bit, but I don't know how much of it made it into the final result.

I'm a friend of Tim's and participated in the original Pyroto Mountain BBS, and my name (Ron Sharp) might be mentioned in the original BBS docs, but I don't know if that makes me citable as a reliable source in any way. AndroidCat 15:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)