Talk:Putyvl

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[edit] Move from Putivl to Putyvl

This move was made entirely appropriately by User:AndriyK and in a correct way using "move article" link rather than cut and paste. This is normally not worth mentioning but I am only bringing this up because there was recently a whole bunch of moves by cun-and-paste made by the same user.

Cut'n'paste moves do not preserve histories, they do not move talk and they are against a policy that requires listing at WP:RM when the move is impossible because of competing histories/entries. Then admins merge histories once consensus is reached. Loosing history and talk hurts the articles and in most cases such moves would be reverted.

But this move is correctly implemented and also justified (modern Ukrainian name for a Ukrainian city in the absence of any significantly used other English name). For a thorough discussion of the issue, see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ukrainian_subdivisions#How_the_city_name_is_spelled_in_English. --Irpen 06:59, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Usage

Nothing major against the move ,however, Putivl [1]still scores 3 times more Google hits than Putyvl [2]. Fisenko 07:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually, if you check "English language only" option in the google test, the results almost level out. The media usage test I made is also statistically insignificant. Two hits of Putivl in Houston Chronicle in 2001 in connection with Prince Igor pervormance there and one hit of Putyvl in BBC report. So, since no usage can be affirmatively established, we should use a native Ukrainian one, see the link in my previous entry above.

Regarding the use in Old East Slavic history I am less sure now, would have to look. Regarding the use in Sydir Kovpak, I think we should use Putyvl, a modern name for a relatively modern time, especially in the article about the person who is as Ukrainian as one can possibly be. OTOH, change of khutor for khutir there, made no sense. I will correct Kovpak accordingly --Irpen 08:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Putivl/Putyvl probably has the longest historical connection to Muscovy/Russian Empire among all modern Ukrainian towns if it is any of any use in determination of what name should be used in historic context in articles. Fisenko 15:19, 16 November 2005 (UTC)