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[edit] Punisher 2099
Might be worth adding a brief entry regarding The Punisher 2099 to the Other Versions section? As that series ran for almost three years, it's moderately notable. If nobody else gets there first, I'll add it myself in a day or two. --Mrph 23:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
- yes †Bloodpack† 21:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Early life and military career section
Seems rather strangely organised, for instance Gorman just shows up out of nowhere. I can't say I know enough about the Punisher to fix it myself, I thought I might bring it to the attention of those who do. Edward Wakelin 03:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sociopath?
This article categorizes him as a sociopath. However, a sociopath is, and I quote, a person who displays "impulsive behavior, disregard for social norms, and indifference to the rights and feelings of others." The Punisher plans his actions and cares deeply for the rights and feelings of pretty much everyone except criminals. I suggest we change the article to remove him from this category.--TelevisedRevolution 03:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Ehh, it's a tough call. The definition of sociopath is very flexible; read the articles on psychopathy and antisocial personality disorder. ~Switch t c g 12:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- i think this phrase (from the personality section) pretty much explains why hes a sociopath: Unlike most comic book heroes, Castle also has no dual identity, no "real world" job, no known hobbies and only has few friends. He avoids capture by the authorities not just because of his extensive use of false documents, but also their latent admiration of his work, by eliminating criminals that the police cannot touch for various reasons. He spends nearly all of his time planning his next hit, stopping only to recover from injuries or fatigue. Money taken from criminals is used to purchase food, weapons, ammunition, and pay the rent of one of his many safehouses.
The Punisher also disregards what the police and the public think of him, and has been known to kill corrupt cops. In doing so, it stirred the police into heightened action against him and as such, he is viewed as a dangerous criminal by the public and by most members of the superhero community. †Bloodpack† 09:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
One man's hero is another man's sociopath. It's just how you look at ol' Frank.Kritish5951 03:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] X-men cartoon
It wasn't actually him. It turned out it was a holographci image and it apeared for about 2 seconds. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.207.252.66 (talk) 19:18, 18 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Reformating
This article really needs to be reformatted. Here's how I should think it should be;
Fictional Character Biography: Like every other fictional character this needs to be first. Cover some of his early life and notable things that happened while he was Frank Castle, then the murder of his family and him becoming the Punisher, then anything that really stands out like him dropping the nuke in Welcome Back Frank.
- Publishing History: Who created the Punisher, and everything that's in the Publishing history section.
- Methods, equipment, etc: All this stuff should be put in one section.
- Ultimate Punisher: I think you know what goes here.
- Punisher MAX: This version of the Punisher (they're in different Universes. Just a brief section on how this guy works.
- Other versions of the Punisher:
- Appearances:
- Triva:
Who agrees with me? --Shaoken 02:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- i dunno about the rest but as for the Punisher MAX section, pls refer here for it has already reached a consensus †Bloodpack† 15:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Castle or Castiglione?
The article frequently switches between referring to The Punisher by either surname of Castle and Castiglione.
Can we do some cleanup on this? It's quite confusing. Is his original family name Castiglione and then anglocized to Castle? Anybody clear on this? And can someone apply the information to the article and keep only one name here?
- information given is "Castiglione" is his root surname from his sicilian/italian ancestry then later changed to Castle as his commonly used surname when his family migrated in the US, either ways its still him †Bloodpack† 19:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the majority of the comic world knows him by Frank Castle, so if nobody can update the article with that information, I'm going to sweep the article myself and make sure all heretofore references to The Punisher use 'Castle', and not both. TotalTommyTerror 19:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Along those lines, the narration constantly switches between referring to him as Castle, Frank, and Castiglione, there should only be one uniform referral, and I believe the traditional method is a person's last name. TotalTommyTerror 19:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- go ahead, be bold and make the reference uniformed specifically the character biography †Bloodpack† 19:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I'm cleaning it up, couple of questions along the way, was Castle really trained by Captain America/Steve Rogers? I thought Capt. would've still been frozen during that time? TotalTommyTerror 19:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- im not sure about that, maybe that part should have a {{fact}} tag, it needs a citation or else it will be considered as original research †Bloodpack† 21:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Is it correct to use The Punisher, or the Punisher? I imagine the capital 'The', right? Since it's part of his proper title. TotalTommyTerror 20:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- the Punisher, of course when it starts in a sentence it should be capital T †Bloodpack† 21:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
1. It's Castle. He doesn't go by Castiglione any more. 2. Yes he was trained by Captian America, but it wasn't Steve Rodgers. It was one of his replacements. --
Shaoken 20:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The debate on the new Captain America
It is clear that now Frank Castle is about to replace - or succeed - the late lamented Steve Rogers as the newest Captain America. Frank has picked up the fallen mask and it is clear that he intends to wear it. The question is whether he will clean up his act and stop killing the villains. I think he will - to honor Steve Rogers' memory - but I could be wrong. Erudil 17:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- please consider reading WP:NOR and WP:NOT before making such claims †Bloodpack† 03:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
There's nothing clear about this, it's complete and utter fancruft and insinuation. If it happens, it happens. That'd be like saying a guy looking at a plate of cookies intends to eat the plate of cookies. You don't know that for sure until it happens. TotalTommyTerror 19:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I was actually one of the people to start this speculation.Though it does seem clear that he plans on becoming the next Captain America i doubt he will be it for long due to his violent nature.I say we wait til it is confirmed that he will be Captain America until we put it in.After all Ironman has Captain America's shield and that is equally important so we cant choose favorites on speculation. Parralax 22:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Correction: Steven Colbert has Cap's shield. I won't even begin to comment on your spelling, Parralax. Ranhalt 05:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
We can't assume he takes on the mantle of Captain America just by the variant cover of War Journal #7. It appears to have been influenced by Cap's costume, but we don't and can't know what he will be calling himself (using mantle as a reference to moniker). Ranhalt 03:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Why aren't you using the talk page to justify your edits, Bloodpack? What notion are we leaving to the readers if we tell them that Castle takes on the mantle of the star-spangled avenger? That would be telling them something what we cannot prove. We do know that he adopts a new costume, that's it. The Marvel.com link literally asks the question "The new Captain America?" It doesn't tell us anything. You also should have two different events in one clause when you state, "At the end of the war and with the controversial death of Captain America..." These two events happen separately and should be broken up into separate sentences or independent clauses. We see Punisher retrieve Cap's cowl immediately following Civil War, but it is some time after when Cap is murdered and we have yet to see how long it takes for him to adopt this new costume. I'll give you some time to think this over, but the page will change to reflect what can only be known at this time. Ranhalt 03:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- You're referring to this latter sentence in your edits right?--->"It has yet to be seen how long he will be wearing the new patriotic costume or if he plans to change his moniker."
- Anyone can tell that this sentence is unencyclopedic, it has a personal tone coming from a reader's point of view regarding castle's portrayal being captain america. As for the former sentence--->"At the end of the war and with the controversial death of Captain America...", yes its true that these are 2 difference scenarios, but take note that frank wouldnt have picked up cap's cowl if he had not surrender and he wouldnt assume the guise(?) if cap wasnt dead. I just find it awkward to start the civil war section with, "During the civil war..." and yet we see at the bottom, "Following the civil war..." Arent we already "following" the event in civil war when we introduced that section (civil war)? I guess we can compromise with this, but the, "It has yet to be seen how long he will be wearing the new patriotic costume or if he plans to change his moniker." is something i cannot accept †Bloodpack† 05:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Can we use this new pic?
I'm not into making these kinds of changes, but someone may want to look into using the new variant cover of War Journal #7 which shows Punisher in a modified Captain America-esque costume.
http://marvel.com/i/content/st/889new_storyimage3793928_full.jpg
Ranhalt 06:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- There's no problem with using the picture as I see it, but it certainly shouldn't be used as the primary character image at the head of the article. Put it down below in the context of Civil War and War Journal. -Sean Curtin 06:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Looks like Frank looked at the cookie and ate it. Erudil 18:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, yes he did. I just want to stress that I felt it was wrong to alter the page based on speculation. Even if it was right. TotalTommyTerror 15:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow when i said that it was a possibility that Marvel would make Punisher the new Captain America i didnt think they would actually do it(i hope they dont).Anyways we should put the picture in the article but where.Maybe we should make a section The New Captain America? and then put this picture in ot somehow mention the possibility of him becoming the new Cap. Parralax 00:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
