Talk:Punctuation (chess)

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Contents 1 Reordering 2 Symbols 3 !! Brilliant move 4 ? - poor move, mistake, bad move ..

[edit] Reordering

I reordered the symbols into symbols of increasing effectiveness of a move to make more sense. --70.111.224.85 13:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Symbols

Some of the symbols can be a single character, for example ‼. ςפקιДИτς ☺ ☻ 15:18, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit]  !! Brilliant move

This has been added to "!! Brilliant move" or the start of a forced checkmate. I'm not familiar with this. Can a reference be provided? If not, I think it should be removed (unless the consensus is to keep it). Bubba73 (talk), 21:05, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I've decided to remove that, for now at least. In 39 years of reading chess books, I've never seen "!!" used that way. If there is a citation for that, it should go back in. Bubba73 (talk), 00:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the removal. In a position like in the diagram, I would not give a "!!" for Rd8+, nor do I think any annotator would. (I would probably give a "??" for any other move, and perhaps some more question marks for Rc1.) Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. I don't think that any move that leads to checkmate should get a !!, only a brilliant one. Bubba73 (talk), 15:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit]  ? - poor move, mistake, bad move ..

A discussion came up recently about the use of a single question mark and what that signifies in English. There seems to be a lot of ambiguity about this.

• Oxford Companion to chess - weak move
• Nunn's Chess Openings - bad move
• Batsford Modern Chess Openings - bad or speculative move
• Scid database software (last official release, version 3.6.1) - poor move
• Play winning Chess by Yasser Seirawan - poor move
• Logical Chess: Move by Move, Irving Chernev - a mistake.
• The Mammoth Book of Chess by Graham Burgess - bad move

Perhaps the main article should mention the various wordings that are attached to '?'. Drkirkby 04:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure those different definitions for "?" are really in disagreement. To me "bad move", "weak move", and "mistake" are all pretty synonymous terms. Compare that to "!?" where the definitions "interesting move", "risky move", and "enterprising move" have different meanings. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)