Talk:Psycho (genre)
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Where and how was this genre named and classified? I hope this isn't someone's original research. -- Antaeus Feldspar 8 July 2005 01:53 (UTC)
I have edited this entry for style and plain English (long sentences, repetition and unnecessarily complicated grammar/syntax). I have also edited it for a more neutral point-of-view. I think it is generally accepted that "psycho" can be regarded as a genre or subgenre, which is why I think the article is a worthy subject and should remain, provided it maintains a neutral POV. I doubt it represents "original research", although I couldn't tell you offhand who has written on the subject. David L Rattigan 8 July 2005 1616 (GMT)
On second thoughts, I am less sure that a film like Fritz Lang's M can be lumped into the psycho genre; so some of those types of claims may need to be softened down to a NPOV. David L Rattigan 8 July 2005 1622 (GMT)
- Well, I checked 12 of the 52 entries (at that time) in Category:Psycho films -- the ones beginning with A-C. On all of them, the classification as a "psycho film" was done by the same anonymous editor, which raises high doubts for me about the possibility of original research. -- Antaeus Feldspar 9 July 2005 02:51 (UTC)
I agree. I think the problem is that the author has taken a recognized genre and applied it rather anachronistically to some very debatable films. I think the critical consensus would be that there is such a genre, but whether it properly existed pre-Psycho is very contentious. It would be more appropriate to have focused on the article on the genre post-1960 with a nod to horror films pre-1960 as possible forebears/influences. David L Rattigan 9 July 2005 06:38 GMT
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[edit] Redirect to slasher film?
there is no such genre as "psycho films".... there is a genre of "slasher film", which, judging by the descriptions on this page, is what this guy is trying to describe, but i guess he didnt know the correct term so ended up writing a new and unnecessary article. so what do you think about redirecting to slasher film? Niz 23:39, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
- "Slasher" to me indicates something different to "psycho", with much more of an emphasis on visible, physical violence and gore. I was reading a book yesterday in which Kim Newman discusses "psycho" as a genre. He is probably Britain's foremost authority on horror films. Good enough for me! David L Rattigan 1322 GMT 14 July 2005]
- "Slasher" film suggests something different to me as well. But I'm not convinced this is really a separate genre. The person who started this article is probably the one who also tried to delete all references to sci-fi and serial killer films from the Horror film article, arguing that horror films could only involve the supernatural. Films like The Lodger are not "psycho" films at all, and most of the other examples are pretty dubious. Phantom of the Opera? If there are good examples in the Newman book maybe you could replace some of the films that are listed here. JW 11:08, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah, looks like. All the users are coming from either 12.73.194.* or 12.73.195.* . -- Antaeus Feldspar 17:56, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] WARNING
An attempt to deny this genre's existence and films to Wikipedia users has been launched via the category listing specific psycho film' titles, by putting that category up for deletion instead of tackling this defining article directly. Those who feel the genre has merit need to go hastily to Category:movie genres, (which may tonight or tomorrow become Category:film genres), and follow the link to the 7-day tribal council. So far, 4 kids with reactionary "deletes", and one comprehending "keep". Balance in the discussion, as above, is surely deserved, and decidedly needed. 12.73.196.14 02:46, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
- It's not clear where you're asking us to go, or where this discussion is. If the genre itself was up for deletion, there would be a notice above the entry. Can you provide a direct link to the discussion? David L Rattigan 0711 19 JULY 2005 GMT
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- the discussion on the category is at Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_July_17#Category:Psycho_films. DES 22:31, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Psychological horror
This article needs to do something with the Psychological horror article
- It seems to me that Psychological horror and Psycho (genre) are distinct, though they may sometimes overlap. The former can be supernatural, whereas the latter would rarely or perhaps never be so. The latter may be gory, whereas the former rarely is. Schizombie 21:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Agree with the above, but how is this different than Thriller? Ace of Sevens 13:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sources?
I see no sources cited for the proposition that there is any general critical use of the term "Psycho" or "Psycho film as the name of a genre. This looks like WP:NORoriginal research to me, or at best an idiosyncratic term used by a single critic. if the use is so limited, the article should say so -- in any case source that use nd define this term should be cited. DES (talk) 20:54, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
none has been given, so this article now qualifies as Original Research. Niz 22:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Kim Newman wrote a chapter-length essay about the "psycho" genre. When I get a few moments, I'll see what I can glean from him. David L Rattigan 23:48, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
