Talk:Prussia (region)

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Contents 1 Moved to talk 2 Context! 3 Province? 4 Merge

[edit] Moved to talk

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"It should be noted that the Brandenburg-Prussian union is often considered as the legitimate extent of Greater Prussia."

And why is that? Take over of Prussia by Brandenburg created new state.

"All the Prussian territories affected by their connection to the crown of Poland remained German speaking people and German as official state language. " Sure. In Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth there were a freedom of using national language. Since Prussia remained split over different languages, different languages were in used, also latin.

"The crown of Poland itself was held by the Lithuanian Jagiello and Swedish Vasas, married to the imperial Habsburgs and for a hundred years by the imperial Saxon electors and kings of Poland, the Wettins"

This is not related. Kings of England are also Germans by nationality, but they ordered to bomb Dresden.

[edit] Context!

I first thought this should be merged with East Prussia... I see now that apparently this article is about a geographically indentical area, but under Polish rule. As such it covers the history of the area from the 15th century until 1660.

Excuse me, but I think this kind of split-up without giving context is rubbish. I will try to amend the article by placing it in context: I'll give it an introductory paragraph, and in the paragraph mentioning the post-1660 history, I'll add a link to East Prussia. And I'll check what it says in East Prussia about the earlier history; probably I'll add a link there to this article. Lupo 07:27, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Province?

The article currently states the "Province of Prussia" (as opposed to the "Province of Prussia" within the Kingdom of Prussia) was a province of Poland consisting of Royal Prussia and Ducal Prussia. How accurate is that? Royal Prussia was a semi-autonomous province within Poland, while Ducal Prussia only paid homage to Poland as a vassal. How did they therefore constitute one province within the Kingdom of Poland?

The information in this article only seems to duplicate that of Royal Prussia and Ducal Prussia. If the current information is indeed incorrect, might it not be better to have instead a Prussia (Baltic region) or Prussia (region) (or similarly titled) article discussing the medieval boundaries of "Prussia" (the lands of the Baltic Prussians). I have seen several articles linking to Prussia when the desired information was about medieval Prussia, not the later state of Brandenburg-Prussia. Olessi 14:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

The intro has since been changed to the following: Prussia was a region in the Polish kingdom and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth from the 15th century until 1660, consisting of a Royal Prussia, a semi-autonomous province, and Ducal Prussia, a vassal state that paid homage to the Polish king.

However, I still think this article should be changed to describe the region of Baltic Prussia, instead of a seemingly artificial construct region of Poland/P-L. Changing the subject would allow text like, "Ottokar II of Bohemia campaigned in [[Prussia (region)|Prussia]]", instead of "Ottokar II of Bohemia campaigned in [[Prussia]]" (which would erroneously link to the Brandenburg-Prussia state). Olessi 19:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

You are right. At the moment, almost all of this article is already covered by Origins of Prussia, Old Prussians, Royal Prussia and Ducal Prussia. If this article is to go ahead, care must be taken in wikilinking and context. It must be made very clear that this article refers to a geographical region and to no particular political entity. The changes you have made are right - the previous statement that the whole region was a Polish province was way too misleading. There are so many articles that link to the wrong version of Prussia: old, ducal, royal, Brandenburg-Prussia, kingdom, province, free state (the last entry doesnt exist yet, but i'm working on it). These links must be corrected wherever we find them. - 52 Pickup 20:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Eventually I will try to to translate de:Preußen (historische Landschaft) to this article. Olessi 17:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

There is a similar article at Old Prussia. Olessi 23:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I would rather merge Old Prussia with Origins of Prussia with keeping the article name Old Prussia. Prussia (region) should be left as it is. --Der Eberswalder 00:24, 24 January 2007 (UTC)