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Contents 1 Sympathetic Vibratory Physics 2 Editing 3 Re: 196/185 and Hammond 4 Re: Editing 5 Re: Hammond? 6 Elliot Sharp 7 Semitones 8 Sohmer 9 Half diminished scale 10 Fredrick Pritchard

[edit] Sympathetic Vibratory Physics

Thank you, Keenan, for placing my reference to Dale Pond ("Sympathetic Vibratory Physics") into an appropriate location and format. I am a newcomer to Wikipedia, and therefore appreciate your support...in editing, reference to Wikipedia policies, etc.

We are both obviously rather knowledgeable on the subject at hand, and in the hopes of providing the most accurate and valuable information possible, I am encouraging our mutual effort and co-operation.

Incidentally, I have found many items in Wikipedia regarding intervals, tuning systems, etc. which require some editing. (I particularly have a problem with "just" intervals being classified as "mean".) -Prof.rick

Keenan: I was half-thru these editings when Wikipedia encountered "technical problems". They are therefore obviously incomplete, and have not given sufficient credit to your excellent contributions. I will try again, to complete this editing. I have edited-out "References" and included them within the text. (By the way, you cited Hammond organ tuning, 196/185 ratio, but the "source" you cited provides little substantiation. Perhaps the easiest way to resolve this matter regarding Hammond organs, is to eliminate the entire section. -Prof.rick

[edit] Editing

OK, Keenan. I am placing this note both here and on the discussion page, to be sure you find it. I hope you find the revisions to be reasonable, particularly the new references to the 3mu and prime-number harmonics. However, I am not finished editing. The earlier part of the section needs some revamping, and I can probably find better references. -Prof.rickProf.rick

== Re: Semitones

[edit] Re: 196/185 and Hammond

[1] Look at the interval between F# and G. For some reason, I thought it appeared more than once, but anyway the only claim I made was that 196/185 "appears in" the tuning of the Hammond organ, which is directly supported by the source. The hundredth-of-a-semitone claim wasn't about the Hammond organ per se, but simply a statement of mathematical fact: 1200&nbps;log₂(196/185) = 99.994... In the strictest possible interpretation of WP:NOR, that would need a reference to back it up too, for example Google Calculator, so if that's what you're complaining about, then okay, my bad. —Keenan Pepper 23:43, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Editing

Let's both just agree to follow all the policies, simply by editing Wikipedia, and that's it. —Keenan Pepper 23:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Hammond?

Incidentally, are you familiar with the modern composer, Elliot Sharp? His works are certainly "on the fringe". (Woops! Excuse the quotation marks...I know you despise them!) His work is a hair-raising! But just as much, I enjoy early composition, such as organum.

I've never heard of Elliot Sharp, but I'm listening to some Ben Johnston right now.

[edit] Elliot Sharp

I'll go down to Allen Music Library tomorrow and see if they have anything on him. Why don't you start an article? He's not Elliot Marsh Sharp, is he? —Keenan Pepper 03:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

No, he is not Elliot Marsh Sharp, of the "City Sleepers". MY MISTAKE...his named should have been spelled, Elliott Sharp (with a double "t"). Under this title, you can find several worthwhile articles on Google. I would enjoy starting an article on Elliott Sharp for Wikipedia, but one already exists! You might find both the information provided on Google and Wikipedia interesting, to supplement whatever you find on the Allen Library. But I hope you have the chance to HEAR some Sharp! Regards, Prof.rick 04:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The music library had a few of his pieces. He reminds me of Johnny Reinhard (whose article I should work on). I like Kronos Quartet's performance of Digital. —Keenan Pepper 18:45, 2 September 2006

[edit] Semitones

Response to comments at User talk:Rainwarrior#Semitones.

I don't think the augmented 8th has a properly defined inversion, as inversion at an octave doesn't really apply outside the range of an octave. An ascending augmented octave should invert at the octave to a diminished descending unison, but this is more or less trivial information. I don't think we need to talk about it in the article.

I am only partly moved at the moment. Well, technically I'm here in a different country living and working, but all my stuff is still on its way, and getting everything together (legal paperwork, driver's license, etc) is going to take some time yet, so I still think I'm "moving" at the moment, but thanks for asking. - Rainwarrior 06:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sohmer

Sohmer & Co. looks good. I have removed the cleanup tag, and made a few tweaks. It could use metric equivalents for the sizes. Rich Farmbrough, 23:24 4 February 2007 (GMT).

I saw your last note, which is great. Unfortunately not everyone is nice (though some don't realise it) and people can get quite passionate about what they are doing. I just realised I hadn't mentioned the other possibility that he is just merely a troll trying to get a rise out of you. I believe the response of keeping calm is the same either way, if they are trolling and can't get the response they are looking for they'll quite likely move on, on the other hand if it is someone genuninely trying to help, just going about it the wrong way you maybe able to get some reasonable input to better the article. --pgk 12:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Half diminished scale

Hi. I cam across the article Half diminished scale which isn't written very coherently. I am not at all familiar with music theory and don't know if this is really referring to an Octatonic scale which already has an article in which case it should be redirected. I was hoping that you would be able to assist. Regards. -- Whpq 17:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Whpq,

In reference to your question, first, let's clarify two terms: a diminished scale is one of alternating Tones and Semitones. (See Octatonic Scale). Second, a "half-diminished" chord is, in effect a minor seventh chord, flat 5 (e.g., C, Eb, Gb, Bb). Notice the intervals of this chord: min 3, min 3, min 3, and maj 3. This chord occurs naturally in the Locrian Mode (picture white keys only on a piano, with B treated as the "tone centre"). The resultant Tonic 7th chord is B, D, F. A. You will will find that the intervals of this chord correspond to "half-diminished" chord described above.

The octatonic scales may begin Tone-Semitone (what jazz musicians call the "whole-half" scale), or Semitone-Tone ("half-whole" scale). An octatonic (diminished) scale, built on B, and beginning Semitone-Tone ("half-whole") contains the notes B, D, F and A:

B(Cb), C, D, D#(Eb), F, F#(Gb), G#,(Ab), A, (B)(Cb).

In the half-diminished scale of B, since the the intervals are alternately evenly spaced, a half-diminished chord may also be built not only on the Tonic, B, but on every second note of the scale, resulting in these other half-diminished chords:

(D, F, Ab, C); (F, Ab, Cb, Eb); (G#, B, D, F#).

Because this diminished scale permits a Tonic "half-diminished" chord, it is therefore sometimes called the "half-diminished" scale. It can be built upon ANY of the twelve semitones of the octave.

Consequently, any "half-whole" diminished scaled may be called a "half-diminished" scale.

It is a "general rule" of the diminished scales, that whatever kinds of chords can be build on one particular note of the scale can be also be built on alternate notes of the scale, the roots of which together form a diminished seventh chord. Since any octatonic scale consists of the culmination of two diminished seventh chords, two sets of "chord types" are available in any diminished scale.

Hope this has answered your question! Thank you for using wikipedia.

Regards, Prof.rick 08:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

PS: A copy of this response has also be placed on your talk page.

I will also look into the "Half-Diminished Scales" article, first checking its accuracy and clarity. If warranted, I will try to establish a "Redirect" to "Octanonic Scales." Prof.rick 08:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, and looking into the article. Regards. -- Whpq 10:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fredrick Pritchard

I've nominated your autobiography at Fredrick Pritchard for deletion. I know you've removed someone else's message about this from this talk page[2], but to explain again, you should not write an article about yourself. It's a conflict of interest at the very least, and you will also have a problem asserting your own notability. I'm not really saying that you shouldn't have a biography article at Wikipedia. I don't have an opinion about that; in my view you're in the grey-area of notability. It is, however, my opinion that you shouldn't make that call about yourself. Someone else, someone not personally involved, needs to take up that task. Also, the lack of references to published material about you makes it very difficult for any person who is uninvolved to jump in and help research the biography. If anything can save your biography from deletion, it will be sources (that, and you must stop writing it). I know you will want to discuss this; the place for discussion of this matter is: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fredrick Pritchard. - Rainwarrior 18:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Please take a look at the article's talk page — it would be helpful if you would address the relevant policies and guidelines. — ERcheck (talk) 01:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)