Talk:Provisional Government of Lithuania

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[edit] Merger

How long was the "underground government" underground? If it was a substantial period of time, like since 1940, maybe it should stay separate? Are they really the same thing? Btw, if merging, please keep the redirect and the page history. heqs 10:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

It was secretely formed on 22 April, 1941, publicly announced on 23 June, 1941, and dissolved on 5 August, 1941. It is the same thing, I don't think we need two articles on an organization that only lived less than 4 months, especially that it was inactive while in underground. Sigitas 11:06, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The LAF was formed in 1940 though, and that article says the underground government was formed in March (?) heqs 12:02, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

LAF is not the same as Laikinoji vyriausybe (Provisional Government) and rightly has its own wikipedia article. As for LAF forming underground government in March, it is incorrect - article Lietuvos laikinosios vyriausybės atsiradimo aplinkybės referenced at the end of LAF article clearly says "1941 m. balandžio 22 d., Kaune Vilniaus ir Kauno centro atstovai suformavo Lietuvos laikinąją vyriausybę, t.y. sudarė jos narių sąrašą." ("On 22 April, 1941. in Kaunas representatives of Vilnius and Kaunas branches (of LAF) formed Lithuanian provisional government, i.e. established list of it members"). Thus statement on forming government in March is incorrect and not found in referenced sources. Sigitas 12:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I already fixed date of forming government by LAF providing reference. Sigitas 12:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the government not secret to the Germans? AFAIR it was formed of a group that was originally formed in Berlin under the auspices of the Abwehr, so it was not that clandestine... //Halibu tt 15:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Not at all. Germans did not want indepentend Lithuania, therefore SD and Gestapo shared their information on Lithuanian underground with NKVD, and some underground members were arrested by NKVD for this reason. Germans did not know about formation of this government, otherwise members of cabinet would be quickly arrested. Halibutt, you probably talk about another provisional government, which K.Škirpa, not trusting abilities of resistance in Lithuania, laid out on paper and this government included only people residing in Germany. Germans did not know about alternative provisional government either. This alternative government never acted in reality. same source: * 1941 m. Lietuvos laikinosios vyriausybės atsiradimo aplinkybės, Doc. dr. Sigitas Jegelevičius, Voruta, No. 11 (557), June 11, 2004

Sigitas 16:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Merger is done. Renata 00:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move

What are your thoughts on a move to Provisional Government of Lithuania (1941), to avoid any confusion with other events in Lithuania's history (in 20th century)? heqs 15:04, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

let's move. Sigitas 15:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Good grief. I just moved the talk page to that name by accident. heqs 18:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

D'oh. Now we need an admin to do the proper move. Sorry... =/ heqs 18:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Why move? Was there any other Provisional Government of Lithuania?? As far as I know, there is nothing to disambiguate. Renata 02:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

From History of Lithuania (1990) ..."The Supreme Council of Lithuania also appointed leaders of the state and adopted the Provisional Fundamental Law (temporary constitution)..." Wasn't the first government under Landsbergis a provisional government? heqs 03:43, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

It was not a provisional gov. Lithuania was ruled by the Supreme Council, legally elected. The council decided to change things around, i.e. declare independence and they could not do any longer with the old soviet constitution and adopted a temporary one.

The evolution of various governing bodies goes like this: Council of Lithuania (Lietuvos Taryba) -> Constituent Assembly of Lithuania -> regular Seimas & President (1922-1940) -> occupation -> Provisional Gov (1941) -> occupation -> Supreme Council & First Secretary -> Reconstituent Seimas (1990-1992) -> regular Seimas & President since 1992. [1] Renata 17:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay. I cancelled the move request. I should wait for more discussion before doing such moves in the future. heqs 19:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)