Talk:Propaganda in the People's Republic of China

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Contents 1 Deleted? 2 A Lead Worth Following 3 VfD 4 Songs 5 Modern propaganda 6 Slogans 7 pre 1949 propaganda

[edit] Deleted?

I don't think this should be deleted. It seems like a reasonable stub of a useful article. Frjwoolley 19:36, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

While it may be seen this way, and more than likely may be true, I don't think that this is the way to approach the subject, singling out a specific goverment/people. A differnt article on the topic should be created and this might be a subheading, but it should be deleted so as not to offend politically.

CobaltBlueTony 19:38, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

But this is what I'm most knowledgeable about. Can you really fault me for not knowing about propaganda in all countries in general? Not all countries put out the same amount of propaganda either, although I don't think the Western countries are beyond propaganda at all. By the way, that deletion thing was inserted before I even finished with my series of starter edits!

Now that I think of it, I think I may have been rash in the title. It could be propaganda of the PRC to be more specific. In any case, we're talking about facts, even if it's a "bad" thing. If there's an article on one kind of bird because there's some guy really interested in that bird before that class of birds is written about, is that bias? I'm hoping and welcome the contribution of yourself and others on all topics about propaganda, in China or otherwise.

Perhaps this information sould be part of a general article for propaganda. Check to see if there is one, and watch the neutrality issue. This is an encyclopedia; I'm sure China has encyclopedias defaming other countries. Let's not folow suit, but only cite proven evidences of propaganda. As always, cite sources that corroborate the information you are presenting.

CobaltBlueTony 20:00, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

To CobaltBlueTony: Yes, it is a proper way: to single out things that are naturally separate. we have Propagandaministerium for [[]Nazi], Agitprop for Soviet (articles of poor quality, though). If someone can write about China, good luck. mikka (t) 20:34, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

But the general article Propaganda is really good. I agree that an article on PRC Propaganda, if we're careful to be NPOV, would be pretty natural. Frjwoolley 19:48, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A Lead Worth Following

I just read this http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/02/international/asia/02epstein.html :

"Israel Epstein, a journalist, author and propagandist for China whose passion for Communism was fueled in long interviews with Mao in the 1940's and was not dimmed by imprisonment during the Cultural Revolution, died last Thursday at a hospital in Beijing. He was 90.

His death was announced by the official New China News Agency.

Mr. Epstein edited China Today, an English-language Chinese newsmagazine, translated the sayings and writings of Mao and Deng Xiaoping and advised the Chinese government on how to polish its overseas image. He became a Chinese citizen, joined the Communist Party and served on official government and party committees."

Sounded really interesting and lo and behold, here's a potentially great article needing some work. Would like to work on the article, but since it seems like a large task needing a lot of work (borrowing some books from the library) and there is this potential deletion hanging over the article, I will hold off for now. Anyone else thinking about helping out? Looks like there hasn't been much work on it for a few days. Should it be advertised somehow?--DownUnder555 19:37, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] VfD

Survived Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Chinese propaganda.

[edit] Songs

I remember a song of end of 1950s or beginning of 1960s with lines, kind of (I may be well off with transcription; I hope it is something recognizable)

"Ghe ming zhen shee hao han"

"Gong chan dang hao"

"She hui zhu yi hao"

It was full of plain propaganda how is everything good during socialism, and communist party leads well. Is it something well known? mikka (t) 29 June 2005 00:18 (UTC)

[edit] Modern propaganda

This article covers too little about the present day applications and dissemination of propaganda - such as the dazibao stands found in every university etc. Could someone work on this? Take a few pictures if possible, I can't since I'm not in China. -Hmib 05:45, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Slogans

There were loads of slogans, but the part about "Continuous News" is not substantiated. Please provide some kind of evidence. I lived in China for 10 years and intermittently after that, and saw something rougly resembling that line maybe 2 times.
-- Миборовский ^U|T|C|E 05:48, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] pre 1949 propaganda

The current title of the article is problematic in that CCP propaganda started way before 1949 and in fact was one of the reasons for its dramatic growth. What do people think? How do we handle this?--Moveapage 11:58, 22 December 2005 (UTC)