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In case anyone is wondering, I put the entymology of Quirrell's name after the spoiler warning, because I thought the "quarrel" part of it was too much of a spoiler.

I feel his affiliation is not 'Death Eaters'. He bumped into Voldemort on his travels and ended up being possessed. He wasn't a dead eater, or even inherently evil. I think he should better be listed as a 'Hogwarts teacher'. - 131.211.151.221 08:24, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

"Hogwarts teacher" is not an affiliation by the definition I'm using. Affiliation here states, in Snape's words, "where your loyalties lie."
Yes, and Quirrell robbed Gringotts before Voldemort took over his body. I think Quirrell, unlike Ginny Weasley, was acting of his free will. After all, he was clearly proud of serving Voldemort, and didn't try to work aganist him as Ginny did (by trying to destroy the diary, tell Harry, etc.)
I agree that he's not a Death Eater, even though Voldemort persuaded Quirrell to support him. The Death Eaters, I believe, are limited to Voldemort's core supporters the first time he became powerful. I don't think Quirrell was Voldemort's ally long enough to achieve this distinction (or that he has the Dark Mark to prove it). neatnate 06:48, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Well...it would be kind of pointless from him to have the Dark Mark on his arm, because Voldemort's right on the back of his head. Quirrell, I must say, considers himself a follower of Voldemort. On the other hand, Voldemort probably doesn't consider Quirrell anything more than an idiot he happened to stumble on and could control easily, but "Death Eater" was defined in the books as "what Voldemort's followers call themselves," and not what "Voldemort call his followers." I don't know if Voldemort even consider Peter Pettigrew, for instance, more than another idiot he happened to stumble on and could control easily and we all agree Pettigrew was a Death Eater.

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[edit] Did he teach earlier?

I think in the Philosopher's Stone, it's written that Quirrell taught earlier, but in HBP it says that every year there has been a new DADA teacher. I'm assuming that Quirrell taught one year, took a year off, and then taught another year. What do you think?

I think he did teach before, because Hagrid for one is very familiar with him prior to the school year starting. But the "jinx" as Dumbledore spelled it out in HBP says that they have never been able to keep a DADA teacher for more than a year. I think that rules out non-consecurive DADA years as well. So I'd guess he taught something before, not DADA. No idea what it would have been though. (Of course, this may be a bit of a goof on JKR's part... has she ever talked about this?) ---Ransom

Voldemort, Dumbledore claims, jinxed the job in 1957 (and HOW? exactly?). Quirrell died in 1992, and subsequently, Dumbledore found it difficult to replace him (ending up resorting to Lockhart). How could he even manage to keep staffing the job that long (short of some farcical, pointless and unbelievable system of two teachers taking alternate years)? Michaelsanders 23:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Folks, that he taught at Hogwarts in the past is not evidence that he taught Defense Against Dark Arts at Hogwarts before Harry's first year. I'd say, the jinx means he didn't. If he had, it would have been contrary to the jinx, which is that nobody can teach tjat subject for more than a year - period. Nobody has ever said the jinx means "not more than one year at a time". Every time it's been described, it's "not more than one year" and that's that. So Quirrell taught at Hogwart's but didn't teach DADA, at least not in the previous fifty years. 68.121.165.184 03:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the logical explanation when comparing the lines in PS and HBP is that Quirrell taught DADA for a year, then left to go searching the world, which is when he meets Voldemort, then returned. Dumblebore's quote is neither carefully worded, nor particularly clear, and I think interpreting it beyond "every year we switch DADA teachers because of Voldemort" might be over-analysis. Hagrid is certainly familiar with Quirrell, and more importantly in Diagon Alley seems familiar with the fact that Quirrell is involved in the study of the Dark Arts. He mentions that Quirrell was fine when he was just studying out of books, but has now changed. With regard to the last poster's point that changing DADA teachers from 1957 to the end of Book 7 is an aweful lot of DADA teachers: yes, that's true, but it doesn't make the scenario impossible. Dumbledore does seem pretty clear on it in HBP, and since we've already seen 6 DADA teachers in the brief window we have on the magical world I don't see why a teacher a year is so impossible, especially since it seems like Dumbledore is by this time really stretched to find new DADA teachers after Quirrell. First you get Lockhart, who Hagrid says is the only one who'd take the job and who is incompetent, then you get a werewolf, then you get a crazy old guy who only comes back as a special favor to Dumbledore, then he can't find anyone so you get Umbridge, then you get Snape who finally gets the job because assumedly there's nobody else who'll do it. Scharferimage 04:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Quirrell's death

The article says:

There Harry discovered that Voldemort's face was on the back of Quirrell's head and in the ensuing struggle, Quirrell died, not being able to withstand Harry's touch, which burned him. Dumbledore said of this that Voldemort left as little mercy to his followers as his enemies.

This seems to go along the lines of the movie. In the book the burning manifested as reddened skin, blisters, and intense pain (not destruction as in the movie); this held Quirrell off long enough for Dumbledore to arrive. The actual cause of Quirrell's death is given as Voldemort leaving his body.

[edit] The Color

See Talk: Barty Crouch Jr., and the edit war on color. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luvtheheaven (talk • contribs) 17:13 27 March 2006 (UTC).

  • Explain to me why you are posting this on several HP characters' talk pages when we are more than capable of discussing it on just the one? I have them all in my watchlist. Please sign your posts with ~~~~; it's really not that big of an effort and it lets us know who commented when. Thank you. — NathanHP (T • C • W) 07:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC) oops, sorry?

This topic of Info Box Colours is being discussed on the Harry Potter Project talk page please put forth you views there, to try and reach a consensus. Also could I please remind everybody to remain civil and respect other peoples opinions. Thanks. Death Eater Dan (Muahaha) 23:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thestrals and seeing Quirrell die

This is just a placeholder for discussion in case this edit (and my reversion of it) is disputed any further. I believe that Harry Potter not seeing thestrals despite seeing Quirrell die is not a plot hole or goof because he doesn't see Quirrell die in the book (he passes out before that happens), while in the films, thestrals have yet to be explained. Even if thestrals are explained in the films, this can be mentioned as goofs in the articles about the films, not in this article, because I would consider books to be much higher on the canon scale than the films. --Deathphoenix ʕ 17:47, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Allegiance

Is he really loyal to Voldemort/Death Eaters? The only basis for this seems to be the fact that he was possessed by Voldemort, which is hardly an allegiance to him. John Reaves 20:00, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind that, but he isn't a Death Eater. John Reaves 20:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name

"Quirrell's first name is not mentioned in the novels. The official Harry Potter Trading Card Game lists "Quirinus" as his first name. However, the Chocolate Frog cards give "Slatero" as his first name. The trading card game was written by Rowling, so it can be taken as canon." If this is so, why isn't Rolanda accepted as Hooch's forename? Can we have some consistency? If Quirinus and Rolanda are definitely from Rowling, both should be taken as official. If they aren't, they shouldn't be. Michaelsanders 23:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Right then, since nobody bothered to answer, I have removed the unsourced 'Quirinus'. If there is canonical evidence that his forename is 'Quirinus', cite it. If not, it's staying out. Michaelsanders 23:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
And if after about 2 weeks nobody can give source 'Quirinus', I'm going to strip it out of all the HP articles. Michaelsanders 23:46, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
The only semi-reliable source hp-lexicon.org says "First name: Quirinus is the name given on the Trading Card, which according to Wizards of the Coast™ came from Rowling. This can't be confirmed as canon at this point, however." ... is sort of the opposite of "The trading card game was written by Rowling, so it can be taken as canon." --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 23:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Quite. As I said, if someone can source the assertion that 'Quirinus' derives from Rowling, it will be restored, and be accepted. Which is why I am waiting, to avoid a pointless and troublesome effort of removing the name. But if it can't, it's staying out. Michaelsanders 00:26, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Right then. Two weeks have passed, and since no-one has made any objections (and a pretty reliable support for removal has been given by the Lexicon quote), I'm going to get going on stripping 'Quirinus' out of HP articles. Michael Sanders 20:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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