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He was a great king for millions of Hindus who could not survive from being butchered by Muslims led by Muhammed Ghori, the Great. Prithviraj had a huge very large army Samyukta, the princess of Kanauj, married Rajput king Prithviraj Chauhan after he won the first battle of Tarain against Muhammed of Ghori. She is described by historians as “having thick, black hair and eyes like the black bee moving in the petals of the white lotus”. She was the most beautiful Queen in the world then. There are numerous poems and scriptures written about the passion of their romance. However, their love marriage was shortlived, as soon after that, the Muslim invader Muhammed of Ghori again challenged Prithviraj and completely defeated him.

Contents 1 Prithviraj III: saint or sinner? 1.1 Moving from Rajput page 2 Is this an historical article 3 Lock this page 4 Repetition in the first paragraph 5 remains in afghanistan? 6 Birth of Prithvi Raj 7 Hemu was the last Hindu king of Delhi 8 Where's his body? 9 This article must be cleaned

[edit] Prithviraj III: saint or sinner?

This article has alternated back and forth over the past few months with several versions that paint very different pictures of Prithviraj III and his adversary, Muhammad of Ghor. One version paints Pritiviraj as a saintly figure who is, like all Rajputs, completely invincible in battle unless deceived by the dirty tricks of the unscrupulous and cruel Muslims [1]. Another version paints Prithviraj as a lazy oppressor of Muslims, and Muhammad as their noble liberator [2]. A third version paints both men as sex-obsessed, with Prithviraj as a lazy philanderer, and Muhammad as a cruel rapist [3]. Each of these versions may contain kernels of truth; we can't know for sure. But this is an encyclopedia article; can we all accept an account of this man's life that is perhaps unexciting and certainly not titillating, but contains the facts as they are generally known, without bias or speculation? Tom Radulovich 21:12, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Marriage with Sanyogita took place before first battle of Taraori. Yet Prithivraj did not loose the first war because of her but she contributed to his defeat in the second war. How? Regarding muslim persecution: This is a fabrication to negate the first attack of Prithviraj on Ghori. He attacked because hindu places of worship were destroyed in western punjab and hindu pilgrims were killed. Hindu kings had a great record of giving complete freedom of religion to others. What muslims on WP are hell bent on is that hindu rajputs never fought to defend there religion.

These guys are trying to assasinate the character of Prithviraj. Very eminent historians have recorded the letter exchange during second battle of taraori and its effect. Do you need more data from RC Majumdar's/Dashratha Sharma's books? Shivraj Singh 16:05, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I think this talk is not about comparing the ruling styles of Hindu and Muslim Kings of India and we shall keep it this way. Also can you please bring up some real historical reference about Ghori begging for his life and all the war tactics that you have described? Anything by an unbiased historian before 1947 will suffice I believe.

خرم Khurram 22:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Strange. I thought war was war. I dont see how an extended honeymoon and not being aware of the enemy lines at night without watchers (hence allegedly leading to his defeat) is a plausible enough excuse. If this is so, then he was a poor strategist and very unconcerned for his Kingdiom in that case. Obviously he wasn't either. But his overly romanticised image is leading to a biased opinion on here too. --Raja 22:55, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Moving from Rajput page

Ghori attacked many times. First time he was routed in present day Gujarat by Rajputs. Mularaja-II was not even a teen yet and his mother organized the defences of Pattan. Battle was fought at Kayadara near Mount Abu and Ghori was resoundingly defeated. After this defeat he never entered India through Gujarat. In first battle of Taraori (tarain is misspelledword) in 1191 Prithviraj Chauhan captured Ghori and Ghori begged for his life. Prithviraj allowed him to go despite his generals asking him not to do so. Following year Ghori came again. Prithviraj advanced with his army and sent a letter to Ghori. In this letter ghori was asked to return as he had been defeated the previous year and was spared his life. Ghori replied that he was in India on the orders of his brother, Ghiasuddin, and that he could only retreat after he got a word from his brother. This letter was sent in the evening and Ghori moved his camp back a few kilometers. On receiving this letter and seeing Ghori move his camp back Prithviraj assumed that Ghori was not interested in fighting. Ghori also knew that rajputs did not fight in the night and only started fighting after sun had come up. (This is an ancient Kshatriya practice e.g mahabharata was also fought mostly in day time). He attacked in the early morning hours when Prithviraj and his army were sleeping and was able to win this war.

Cited ref: Early Chauhan dynasties: a study of Chauhan political history, Chauhan political institution, and life in the Chauhan dominions, from 800 to 1316 A.D. Prof Dashratha Sharma. Publisher: Motilal Banarsidass; Language: English ISBN 81-208-0492-9. First edition 1959. 2d rev. ed edition (1975). Reprint 2002 by Books Treasure, Sojati Gate, Jodhpur.

There is an attempt by some politically minded groups to rewrite Hindu history to denigrate their kings and show that that Hindus and Hindu Kings (Rajputs) got what they deserved in their battles with Muslims because they were cowards and lazy. The role of trickery by adventurers, whatever their religious persuasions, who attempted to enter India and to make fortunes is being deliberately ignored. Only the rich, powerful and secure can afford to be magnanimous and transparent and in the process can even be deceived. Prithviraj was certainly a victim of such a process. Ghori came from a poor country looking to grab the rich lands of India and make it to the big time and surely would not have balked at using any quesionable means.

[edit] Is this an historical article

The article seems to reflect more of what is there in popular belief/ TV serial than the actual historical facts. Somebody good at history should make it into a good atricle and request for a partial lock on the page. Vjdchauhan 14:31, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

references for prithviraj's slaying of ghori need to be given. it seems hogwash. Amitshah111 03:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lock this page

Please lock this page as there has been a lot of vandalism recently

[edit] Repetition in the first paragraph

There appears to be repetition in the first paragraph...

He succeeded to the throne c. 1179, while still a minor, ...

later:

He was born c. 1168 to king Someshwara Chauhan and his wife Karpuravalli. He succeeded to the throne c. 1179, while still a minor, ...

[edit] remains in afghanistan?

Are his remains in afghanistan?--D-Boy 22:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Birth of Prithvi Raj

I have visited Ajmer recently and inserted an image of the statue of Prithvi Raj. There is a Museum of Prithvi Raj on Taragarh Fort Ajmer. It records his life span 1166-1192. Accordingly correction may be made in his birth year. burdak 15:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hemu was the last Hindu king of Delhi

Hemu was the last Hindu king of Delhi, Prithviraj III was last Hindu King of Delhi before Islamic Kingdom estalished their (first and long running) rule over Delhi. Also see Second battle of Panipat.Vjdchauhan 19:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

Hemu was not the last Hindu king of Delhi.Though he declared himself king bud did not receive recognition from any state.After Humayun reestablished himself at Delhi and died next year.His son Akbar was recognised as emperor but he was not present at Delhi.Akbar and Hemu met in a war the second battle of Panipat in which Hemu was defeated and killed by Bairamkhan. --Shivbramh 06:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where's his body?

Is it still in Afghanistan?--D-Boy 09:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC) his remains have bin brought to INDIA by a very brave rajput..unfortunately, he is in d jail now..coz he is the same person who has been convicted of killin foolan devi..

[edit] This article must be cleaned

The contents of this article has been taken from the storyline of a serial being aired on Star plus, the link to this page is http://starplus.indya.com/serials/pc/trivia.html. The facts given there may not be true as the history may have been tempered to make the serial interesting. Moreover that page is copyrighted by start plus.

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I removed the sentence that only 3 people in history knew shadabhedi art. There are other well known people who knew this art like King dahasharatha, karna, rama arjuna etc.